So upset about ICE killings in Minnesota

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So upset about the killings. No investigation and victim blaming from the Trump administration. I see no hope for America. Trump will cancel the midterms possibly elections or will rig them. The most powerful western country - one we thought was our friend is dying
im so sad for the bereaved and do sad for the country

Well a stronger argument could be made against armed plain clothes UK police arresting people, where the only proof that they are police is them shouting "armed police ".

As a general rule when confronted by people armed with assault rifles shouting "police - get down on the ground " - it's probably a good idea to do as they say. Failure to comply doesn't make you a civil rights hero it just makes you a dead twat.

Well if a group of people in tactical gear armed with assault rifles turn up at my door step shouting "armed police get down on the ground " then I would certainly comply.

If a lone individual in a hoodie turns up at my door step pointing a pistol at me then I would also probably comply.
However if he wasnt armed then I would either try to close the door or run away.

I think this is a response to a question posed by a different poster.

And what do you do next?

There is certainly no lack of scandals involving the UK police, but imagine that the government has told them that they have immunity from prosecution.

How do you think this affects their behaviour?

Plainclothes police in the UK identify themselves at the first opportunity.

I don't recall hearing "police, get on the ground" in the videos from Minneapolis. They just shot him in the back.

If any British officer did what they did, they'd be facing a murder trial.

Yes that's true.

If ICE were disbanded, re-recruited, properly trained, which would be of benefit to the right who are not looking good with these optics and redeployed, with the mission of humanely removing undocumented migrants - would all those who come out to resist just go home?

The fact the blow whistles to alert people to the presence of ICE suggests to me it's not how they go about it, which is just the cherry on the cake, but that they disagree in principle with their task.

If ICE did just seek out actual illegal immigrants, used proper warrants to search premises, used only reasonable & proportionate force, allowed people to make a phone call, ensured that people had access to legal representation and maintained detention facilities that are fit for humans to use, there wouldn't have been mass protests. After all, before 2024 there wasn't much of an issue.

Instead they have been targetting anyone who is not white, they drag them off regardless of whether they can prove right to remain in the US, they don't bother with court warrants, they use excessive and unnecessary force, they refuse to allow people to contact their families or lawyers and their detention facilities are overcrowded and unsanitary.

The well is poisoned now. It will take a lot of work to rebuild trust.

The fact the blow whistles to alert people to the presence of ICE suggests to me it's not how they go about it, which is just the cherry on the cake, but that they disagree in principle with their task.

ICE aren't targetting illegal immigrants. They're targetting the law-abiding Somali family next door to you who are in the country perfectly legally and whose kids go to school with yours. Of course you're going to want to warn them.

You haven't explained what you would do after you have been carted off in the van.

Do you agree that in principle people theoretically working for the government, but with no apparent oversight, should be able to pick you up off the street and throw you in a van and take you to a detention centre 1,000 miles away?

Did someone really just cite the Rule of Law in defence of ICE, and against the protesters?

My days, the ignorance is astounding.

Its not ignorance it's belief.🙏

Belief in Donald Trump. Whatever he says or does is right. Despite evidence and facts. It doesn't matter what he does, his believers will defend and justify it because they believe in Trump.🤷‍♀️

'Belief in Donald Trump. Whatever he says or does is right. Despite evidence and facts. It doesn't matter what he does, his believers will defend and justify it because they believe in Trump'

Who has even said that?! It sounds like something a cnn reporter would make up.

What many have said is ICE have a job to do and local leaders and local plods should support that not incite unrest. They should try to protect the residents not encourage them to obstruct law enforcement.

I would imagine that people in Minnesota would like the 'plods' to spend their time on actual police work instead of helping ICE to round up people because they sound or look foreign. Even Trump seems to be understanding that this is all back firing.

Again, a man in a mask tells you to get into his van. What do you do?

Issue is they are not doing their jobs. They have gone way beyond that and are working way beyond their remit, and are not following the law or the constitution. They are picking up people they should not be, and holding them illegally. Kidnapping under the guise of law enforcement.

law enforcement should be acting guided by intel and have cause. If they pick someone up it should be because they are known or at least believed to illegal or a criminal. They should not be acting based on people looking a bit brown, having an accent or filming their actions.

so when law enforcement goes rogue, who stops them? Isn’t that the whole point of the second amendment?

they should do but many of the states, like Texas for example, are giving him their electoral voter information - at his request. He is clearly planning to interfere with the mid terms.

Over several threads, I'm still waiting for one of the administration's defenders to explain how its demand for Minesotta's production of voter rolls - expressed as a precondition to any withdrawal of ICE from the state - serves to advance immigration enforcement.

I heard an interview of an ex boss of ICE. He said previously ICE would usually be picking up people who were already in custody of other agencies for criminal offences. So they aren’t trained or experienced in this kind of frontline action. The training itself was reduced from 13 weeks to 8. Recruitment procedure was significantly loosened regarding background checks. Internal systems for checking standards and investigating things have been dismantled.

He said a lot of the longer serving ICE agents are unhappy about the changes and having to serve alongside all of these under trained newbs.

Even Trump seems to now have an inkling of what a disastrous clusterfuck this has been.

Who has even said that?! It sounds like something a cnn reporter would make up.

A CNN reporter?
😂😂😂

Which 'experts' would that be?

https://www.thepoke.com/2026/01/26/fox-news-said-alex-pretti-was-asking-for-it-and-the-hypocrisy-was-so-rank-even-their-own-contributor-was-moved-to-point-it-out/

https://www.newsweek.com/ice-minneapolis-alex-pretti-trump-darius-reeves-1600-11431514
Here's an expert, a former ICE Field Officer. He doesn't seem to be blaming protestors for the actions of ICE/CBP.

Asked why similar enforcement actions during earlier administrations avoided widespread backlash, Reeves said ICE once prioritized discretion and planning.

“We took great pride in being known as the silent service,” he said of the enforcement work he and his colleagues did during the Obama years. “You had targets. You did your homework. You planned every possible scenario.”

The Minneapolis operation, he said, abandoned that model.

“You don’t flood neighborhoods,” Reeves said. “You don’t antagonize people. This is not how things are supposed to go.”

Reeves pointed to agents operating in masks and tactical gear without visible identification, saying the practice has undermined public trust and increased risk.

Is it the job of immigration enforcement to kill US citizens, exercising their second ammendment rights and right to protest? NO. This administration's ICE are the worst of the worst, ex Jan 6 morons, untrained and highly incompetent. People should protest them, every chance they get.

@Gloriia Just so we are absolutely clear, can you just clarify this for anyone reading?

Under the once sacred constitution, all immigrants and asylum seekers are guaranteed due process. Other amendments further protect those being 'rounded up' by ICEstapo. Considering that the constitutional rights of both citizens AND immigrants are being disregarded, are you saying that local leaders and local plods should go along with this anyway?

Keep in mind that there is no doubt that ICEstapo are not upholding constitutional rights. Judicial orders are being disregarded. States strong armed into compliance.

Are you saying that this doesn't matter and local leaders and local plods should go along with it anyway?

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/26/minnesota-immigration-cases-ice-00746275

If you cannot rely on the laws being upheld, is that really not a concern? What do YOU believe are the consequences of removing constitutional rights in addition to the fundamental human rights of all if 'local leaders and local plods' are complicit?

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Those defending ICE's actions and the administration directing them, don't give a fuck about the law, sadly.

It's a term I tend to shy away from, given how overused it is, but yeah - "fascist" is appropriate.

But heated interactions in the street whilst they're going about their business have a high chance of tragic consequences as we've seen. Short of a proper coup/enforcement of the 2nd amendment they won't be stopped by ordinary people.

An unarmed citizen isn't going to stop these men. At a certain point they'll warn you and after that they'll shoot you. You may not even get a proper warning. The best route is likely through the media and raising public awareness etc.

She does not care because she does not imagine that she or her loved ones could ever be affected by any of these issues.

Trump can do whatever he likes because she doesn't believe that the collapse of constitutional rights will not touch her own life in any way.

First they came for the Jews...