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Thumbs up for Streeting

155 replies

Daygloboo · 17/01/2026 22:03

Just read Wes Streeting has got second biggest fall in waiting lists in 15 years and ambulances arriving 15 minutes faster. I think that's an achievement in just over a year in government. Bit sick of all the Labour bashing. Dread to think what NHS would be like under orher parties..Waiting lists 20 years long and ambulances arriving 2 weeks after you call ? A packet if painkillers £20. A trip to the GP £ 100 for ten minutes.

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Ponoka7 · 18/01/2026 01:37

Sesma · 17/01/2026 22:30

Shame I still can't get a Doctors appointment.

Contact your MP. I don't know anyone who is still struggling to get appointments within a week. It's an issue with your GP.
Austerity, the bedroom tax, local housing allowance etc gor support across this board. Unfortunately we all got what they voted for.

ohfourfoxache · 18/01/2026 01:43

HauntedBungalow · 18/01/2026 01:33

I've come across some bloody awful healthcare staff, incompetent doesn't even cover it, really truly nasty people to be around, who were clearly only still in employment because when you have a national healthcare system it's a massive deal to sack someone from it because there's nowhere else for them to go. The management tier, different considerations apply but they are generally more accountable for their performance than eg ward staff.

Yep, unfortunately some of the worst are senior Drs……I’m sure it’s where the expression “shit floats” comes from

The trouble is that staff like this are inherently dangerous - if they are senior then they are often too senior to be questioned. But when the Francis report came out, it changed the landscape, so Trusts were accountable to (what was then) the newly created CCGs. Trusts were no longer allowed to mark their own homework

Now, assurance is moving back under a vastly streamlined NHS England. Everything we have done in the last 14 years, all the learning, all the systems level collaboration, all the masses strides in actually making healthcare safer, are going to be lost. We will have another Mid Staffs within a decade. But Streeting et al are too ignorant and arrogant to realise it

Daygloboo · 18/01/2026 01:43

HauntedBungalow · 18/01/2026 01:33

I've come across some bloody awful healthcare staff, incompetent doesn't even cover it, really truly nasty people to be around, who were clearly only still in employment because when you have a national healthcare system it's a massive deal to sack someone from it because there's nowhere else for them to go. The management tier, different considerations apply but they are generally more accountable for their performance than eg ward staff.

Well, they need to sort that out then

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ilovesooty · 18/01/2026 03:22

Sesma · 17/01/2026 22:42

I think they know when you try to book an appointment if you are a Labour voter.

Ridiculous.

GeneralPeter · 18/01/2026 03:44

Daygloboo · 18/01/2026 00:56

I don't think they'll be along anytime soon because they can' t actually work out which one of them is using their collective brain cell tonight, so they don't know who to elect as spokesperson.

Talking of low brain cells though, didn’t you notice that the second half of your original post is exactly the style that ExtraOnions is criticizing? Both ‘wings’ of MN do this thing you are deriding as brainless, as you’ve illustrated.

Skybunnee · 18/01/2026 04:57

You can blame Tories, you can blame Labour but the real culprits are the people who won’t pay more tax and vote for the ones that give winter fuel and demand more all the time from benefits

Perrylobster · 18/01/2026 06:00

Lamelie · 17/01/2026 22:10

I can’t get my head round Labour’s unpopularity.
I’m impressed and relieved that the NHS is improving. Certainly recent experience- two on the day GP appointments, two short (c 3 hours) from admission to discharge A&E trips and a scan referral within 2 weeks has been excellent. The above is me and DH and mil at least three health boards, not just one person.

I’m with you, the hatred for Labour makes no sense. They’re doing pretty well considering the absolute shit show they took over.

Skybunnee · 18/01/2026 06:17

I don’t remember other Govs backpedaling like they have done -winter fuel, farmers, chickening out of benefit changes and I’m 70 years old.
Someone has to get tough and make bold decisions - they had their chance with a big majority and have blown it. Not that other parties look much better.

GeneralPeter · 18/01/2026 08:18

Perrylobster · 18/01/2026 06:00

I’m with you, the hatred for Labour makes no sense. They’re doing pretty well considering the absolute shit show they took over.

They are doing it to themselves.

Time after time they’ve announced some move, talked about it for months taking all the political damage, then dropped it. Then onto the next one.

They take the popularity hit from both the opponents and supporters of the move, and don’t even reap whatever the supposed benefit was.

Most damagingly with the budget where it was that on steroids, but where the harm of the endless muddle is not just to the party’s popularity but to the country’s economy.

5128gap · 18/01/2026 08:46

Neveranynamesleft · 17/01/2026 22:29

@thepuzzlewontpiece

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Its not an opinion though, is it? It's a silly remark belittling the OPs opinion, that's neither funny nor remotely original.
An opinion would be "No, I think you're completely wrong OP. Streeting has actually made the NHS worse because......"

drspouse · 18/01/2026 08:57

Sesma · 17/01/2026 22:30

Shame I still can't get a Doctors appointment.

So complain. Then they will know where the sticky bits still are.
I messaged the GP about a skin problem last Monday. Had a NP appointment on Friday and now have two creams to use. Not exactly urgent!

Maidmarrigold · 18/01/2026 09:02

Skybunnee · 18/01/2026 04:57

You can blame Tories, you can blame Labour but the real culprits are the people who won’t pay more tax and vote for the ones that give winter fuel and demand more all the time from benefits

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I think the ones that are not paying the tax they should paying are way before the ones who won’t pay more!

soddingspiderseason · 18/01/2026 09:02

Ihitthetarget · 18/01/2026 01:00

He's awful, I loathe him.

The mess they inherited is absolutely the Tories fault, but I've worked in the NHS for 25 years (CAMHS) and I've never known it so bad. It's falling apart. If waiting lists are dropping, it's because thresholds have risen so a lot more people are just turned down and deemed ineligible.

Training is stalling as there's no jobs for people to go into, despite record referral levels.

Smoke and mirrors to hide that the NHS is being dismantled.

“The NHS is being dismantled”. Do you have any actual evidence for this? My experience of the last few weeks has been that the NHS in my area is working incredibly well.

Sesma · 18/01/2026 09:09

drspouse · 18/01/2026 08:57

So complain. Then they will know where the sticky bits still are.
I messaged the GP about a skin problem last Monday. Had a NP appointment on Friday and now have two creams to use. Not exactly urgent!

Mine wasn't that urgent either, just what looked like another BCC, I gave up with an appointment and just using some old Efudix cream I still had on it. It would have been nice to have got an appointment though and maybe some new cream if needed rather than just have my self diagnosis. It went a bit scabby so old cream which was in date still works.

Neveranynamesleft · 18/01/2026 09:31

@5128gap
That's your opinion

Shedmistress · 18/01/2026 09:32

How many have actually been treated versus how many died or were kicked off or went private in desperation [like my mother had to]?

Sesma · 18/01/2026 09:36

I'm resigned to thinking that if I wanted cataract surgery, new hip or knee I would have to go privately or wait a very long time, especially as at over 65 it seems I'm not eligible for a new hip anyway if needed.

Mahanswarcanoe · 18/01/2026 09:41

Lamelie · 17/01/2026 22:10

I can’t get my head round Labour’s unpopularity.
I’m impressed and relieved that the NHS is improving. Certainly recent experience- two on the day GP appointments, two short (c 3 hours) from admission to discharge A&E trips and a scan referral within 2 weeks has been excellent. The above is me and DH and mil at least three health boards, not just one person.

Or… the ship of state is like an oil tanker to change direction and streeting is fortunate with his timing in the top job. Or even (whisper it) he is benefiting from changes made by the previous government to the NHS, only seeing practical impact now…

Daygloboo · 18/01/2026 09:45

GeneralPeter · 18/01/2026 08:18

They are doing it to themselves.

Time after time they’ve announced some move, talked about it for months taking all the political damage, then dropped it. Then onto the next one.

They take the popularity hit from both the opponents and supporters of the move, and don’t even reap whatever the supposed benefit was.

Most damagingly with the budget where it was that on steroids, but where the harm of the endless muddle is not just to the party’s popularity but to the country’s economy.

Id rather they thought about things and did u turns than stubbornly ploughed on with awful.policies. i remember Thatcher with her appslling stubborness, thinking not listening to anybody was a virtue. It wasnt.

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HostaCentral · 18/01/2026 09:45

I hate to burst your bubble but what you are seeing currently is the effect of the planned increase in diagnostic centers which were ordered and set up by the previous government. The benefits of which we are seeing now they are up and running.

Beware as well of statistics and damn lies. The NHS has recently changed the way it reports these metrics. It has always been thus, but trusts manipulate data like devils to make themselves look good. There's also been a massive clean up of data for those waiting on multiple lists.

Sidebeforeself · 18/01/2026 09:50

Daygloboo · 18/01/2026 09:45

Id rather they thought about things and did u turns than stubbornly ploughed on with awful.policies. i remember Thatcher with her appslling stubborness, thinking not listening to anybody was a virtue. It wasnt.

Yes but every u turn costs money.Money that could be used to reduce those waiting lists even further

Daygloboo · 18/01/2026 10:00

What I dont understand is that the people who moan about Labour and the state of the NHS are the very same people who are likely to vote in a man who would make NHS infinitely worse. Dont they realise certain politicians are just itching to make a fortune out of effectively privatising the NHS. That kind of NHS system then only treats for profit. It doesnt mean you get what you need so long as you pay. It means you get what they decide you need so long as they make huge profit. Just look at what is happening with vets. It's the same thing. Those thinking of voting for parties that want to move to an insurance based system must be crazy. You mark my words, if certain parties get in then you will see bad decisions and corruption on a scale you neve4 even thought possible.

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BundleBoogie · 18/01/2026 10:01

Daygloboo · 18/01/2026 00:56

I don't think they'll be along anytime soon because they can' t actually work out which one of them is using their collective brain cell tonight, so they don't know who to elect as spokesperson.

You sound like a charming totally unbiased individual.

To answer yours and other PPs question, I think much of the objection is to the things they are doing that either weren’t on the manifesto or are causing serious harm or expense. And the eye watering number of u turns creating instability and distress.

Off the top of my head:
Ramming the Assisted Dying Bill through Parliament despite serious issues with the legislation. Lord Falconer recently confirmed that being poor will be an eligible reason for assisted suicide.
Lammy’s inexplicable Chagos deal, not wanted by many Chagossians, meaning we’ll lose control of important territory and almost guaranteeing serious harm to the environment costing us £34 billion.
The destructive tax on farms and other family businesses.
Streeting ploughing ahead with the puberty blockers trial despite the fact that children can’t consent to being made sterile and having their health ruined for life and little effort being made to find the patients who have already gone through this medical intervention for a follow up before harming a new cohort of patients.
The destruction of the hospitality sector.
The failure of this government to correct its unlawful policies on single sex spaces and provisions despite the harm they are causing.
The complete failure to control the small boat immigrants as they promised at the election.
The increasingly apparent two tier policing - West Midlands Police admitting that they do what they are told by the Muslim extremists in the community under threat of violence and the blatantly different treatment of some groups compared to others.

There are many other serious issues with this government, they have little control over the civil servants, there are still activist teachers in schools etc. Some are admittedly inherited and Labour have made them worse, and some are brand new Labour created issues. They seem to have inherited a bad situation and made it worse.

BundleBoogie · 18/01/2026 10:04

Daygloboo · 18/01/2026 10:00

What I dont understand is that the people who moan about Labour and the state of the NHS are the very same people who are likely to vote in a man who would make NHS infinitely worse. Dont they realise certain politicians are just itching to make a fortune out of effectively privatising the NHS. That kind of NHS system then only treats for profit. It doesnt mean you get what you need so long as you pay. It means you get what they decide you need so long as they make huge profit. Just look at what is happening with vets. It's the same thing. Those thinking of voting for parties that want to move to an insurance based system must be crazy. You mark my words, if certain parties get in then you will see bad decisions and corruption on a scale you neve4 even thought possible.

Just look at what is happening with vets. It's the same thing.

Can you explain what you mean by this? I thought vet practices were always private? And some have now been bought up by bigger companies. We never had NHS vets did we?

GeneralPeter · 18/01/2026 10:04

Daygloboo · 18/01/2026 09:45

Id rather they thought about things and did u turns than stubbornly ploughed on with awful.policies. i remember Thatcher with her appslling stubborness, thinking not listening to anybody was a virtue. It wasnt.

This rate of U-turns suggests they aren’t thinking about things though. They are announcing first and thinking later.

That squanders political capital, so they get less done overall.

Let’s say Starmer announces some policy you oppose, does interview rounds saying why he supports it, and all the benefits it will bring.

He takes a hit with you for his principles.

Now he U-turns. He doesn’t get much of that goodwill back from you. He’s already shown what he really supports.

Then Starmer announces some policy you support.

But he U-turns. He takes a hit with you again. You are probably more annoyed than if he had never mentioned it.

That’s why Labour is so unpopular. Every U-turn alienates both sides.