To ask when Reform supporters will

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finally see the light about Farage? As the article says, if he will do this for £98 without thinking or a few seconds of research, what else is he capable of? The man is, IMHO, amoral, greedy and surprisingly stupid.

Tw: this mentions the hideous crimes of Watkins.

https://metro.co.uk/2026/01/15/i-tricked-nigel-farage-hailing-ian-watkins-tells-him-26308517/

Does what's happening in America change your mind? Because what terrifies me is that no-one really believed Trump would do this and he has. Not even just the ICE stuff but the states seriously discussing the death penalty for abortion, people with close links the the leadership proposing one vote per household (the man).

Farage has explicitly said he doesn't agree with the current abortion limit, he's exploring said he wants an American model of health care where hundreds of thousands of people go bankrupt for medical bills each year, he's explicitly said he thinks Putin is admirable.

Normally I feel like you can survive the next 5 years of parliament and hope for better next time but I'm not sure the American people are going to get a next time.

Which party has no scandals over money and fundraising?

Sir Keir declared accepting donations from Lord Alli in the register of MPs' interests, including accommodation worth more than £20,000.
The prime minister also stayed at his pendthouse during lockdaown though he said this was to support his son during his GCSE exams.
Lord Alli has also made donations worth more than £32,000 for clothing and spectacles to Sir Keir and his wife.

Morgan McSweeney Labour Together Donations (2020-2025): Think tank Labour Together received large donations (around £740,000) that were not declared before Keir Starmer's leadership win, leading to an Electoral Commission fine in 2021, with recent leaks reigniting questions about potential misleading of the commission.

"Contracts for Donors" Allegations (2025): An Autonomy Institute report suggested companies donating to Labour won substantial government contracts, drawing parallels to issues under previous administrations.

The Liberal Democrats
The party line on trans issues “has been consistent for at least 5 years” i.e very opposed to women's rights. The party has also accepted donations of £1.4mn from Ferring Pharmaceuticals (makers of puberty blockers) since 2013.
- are they being paid to promote/simplify gender transition to the financial benefit of big pharma?

Nothing was real then you know what I mean

No they aren't

What are those u turns please? When I’ve seen lists they’ve been policy tweaks before implementation. That’s the way politics is supposed to work.

Ypu said they couldn’t find anyone English. Which suggests you don’t think anyone of any other ‘ethnicity’ (the ethnicity definition you are quoting doesn’t quite say what you think) or even someone Welsh, Scottish or from NI should be British PM. That’s quite racist.

What he said isn’t the issue as he was tricked into saying it . It’s not a genuine tribute

the cameo side gig is a bit surprising and mega tacky how long ago was it ?

no IF I was a reform voter I’d not be the slightest bit bothered about this I think it’s a non issue bit embarrassing at worst

The point 7s he lied - said he knew the man when he did it - and didn’t bother checking whether the name was a bit suspect. And all for £98. It casts huge doubt on his intelligence and honesty. Also makes him look like a grifter - if he’ll lie for £98 why if Russia bribe him by more? Like they did his mate Gill?

We all know it wasn't a genuine tribute to the paedophile Watkins, fgs.

The point is his lack of due diligence for a measly £98 and his lies. If he can be bought that cheaply, we all need to be very worried at the prospect of him becoming PM.

Fair enough. It depends who you are. Farage might be marginally better if you are white and like flags. Polanski might be marginally better if you are male and don't have to rely on the UK economy going well.

The "Cameo gig" is not something he did in the past, it is something that he is currently doing.

www.cameo.com/nigelfarage?srsltid=AfmBOorpqrFiW0Nsn2BvvzSnlg_wCDgROgp4gqAclfhNtuxOxZk-hgvb

Anyone can seem like a good communicator when they simply tell every group what they want to hear and makes all kinds of unrealistic promises.

He is the political equivalent of a con man.

Apologies, that was a severe response but I don't think they are equivalents. I am personally starting to think Polanski says some things that I agree with but i think that with the Labour party, Lib Dems.

I think they are both charlatans. Polanski was in The Sun newspaper claiming he could make women's boobs expand through the power of his mind. He has since apologised but it is pretty low grade stuff. Most of us manage not to get stories like that published in The Sun. I can't respect him. And Farage is a nasty man. I can't respect him either.

Oh yes but we are all flawed.

I don’t know that it has changed my mind yet but yes, it does give me pause, much more so than Farage’s ridiculous antics. I would not have voted for Trump if I were American unless the Democrat candidate was far more left wing than Kamala was and I certainly don’t agree with most of his policies but I also think the more extreme like death penalty for abortion will never happen (could be wrong) and also that similar policies wouldn’t have popular support in the UK eg I don’t think people here have a strong view on other peoples abortions the way they do in parts of the US. I guess we see how the rest of Trumps term plays out. I feel Farage is also a very different character to Trump despite the apparent similarities and the demographics, mentalities and viewpoints of the majority in the UK are different to the US. Just my opinion but I’m nether British by birth nor American but have spent many years living and working in both countries. It’s also fine to want real, fast immigration reform without supporting ICE style raids and shootings and to want serious reform of the NHS without a full blow US style healthcare system. I do take on board the earlier comments up thread re comparisons to the rise of Nazism though and there is a risk the rhetoric takes hold and becomes normalised but both the left and the right are guilty of fanning those flames on different issues. I’m not Jewish but the rise of antisemitism in the UK is something I am very uncomfortable about and see as very much encouraged by Labour and parts of the mainstream media.

Stupidity, dishonesty and a dose of misogyny are quite major flaws. As mumsnetters would say: he is showing you who he is.

Exactly. By this definition, Boris Johnson was the best communicator ever, with the added bonus of being a comedian.

And Blair was certainly not fit for high office: he very much used his position for his own ends. And he was a brilliant “communicator”, which I think made him doubly dangerous.

Fair enough I can see you don't like him. I think I'd rather be ruled by him than Farage though.

What's the misogyny about - if it's the chest enhancement isn't that sexism..he doesn't strike me as women hating at all.

Imagine for one moment supporting the paedophile/nonce for a mere 98 quid. Would you do that if they didn't sound or look English?

Tweeks!! You should be his press secretary. You could just look up yourself a quick Google search came up with several articles.

1. The grooming gangs inquiry in June 2025
2. Winter fuel payment cuts in June 2025
3. Welfare cuts in June 2025
4. Two-child benefit cap in November 2025
5. Inheritance tax on farmers in December 2025
6. Business rates for pubs in January 2026
7. Digital ID in January 2026

And these are the pre-election promises that Starmer has broken too:

1. Debt definition in October 2024
2. Waspi Women in December 2024
3. Transgender rights in April 2025
4. Effective income tax hike in November 2025
5. Employment Rights Bill concessions in December 2025

I am relieved at least on his u turn on digital ID. Perhaps he realised that would be the nail in the coffin. Stopping elections because they know they aren't going to win and arresting people for tweets is way worse but people have FDS. I dont particularly like Farrage, Zia is much better. The world is laughing at us. Andy Burnham would be a much better and sensible choice it you want any chance of not getting battered at the next election. People is glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

No elections have been stopped. They’ve been postponed for a year to save taxpayers’ money.

I was looking forward to watching Farage on Laura Kunsberg this morning, but what a surprise, he bottled it. Would have liked to heard more of his views on Trump's latest actions but he got Tice to do his dirty work again.

Hitler was a skilled orator. Therein lies the lesson.