To ask when Reform supporters will

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finally see the light about Farage? As the article says, if he will do this for £98 without thinking or a few seconds of research, what else is he capable of? The man is, IMHO, amoral, greedy and surprisingly stupid.

Tw: this mentions the hideous crimes of Watkins.

https://metro.co.uk/2026/01/15/i-tricked-nigel-farage-hailing-ian-watkins-tells-him-26308517/

So what do u want Starmer Mk 2

Me too. I think it's because he's a very British kind of repugnant. The public school boy who thinks he's better than you but also thinks he's so much cleverer than you that you don't know he feels that way. Met - and indeed am related - to too many of them. Trump is a very American kind of repugnant so my reaction is less personal

I am a floating voter right now in terms of Westminster elections. I will probably vote tactically if needed.

It's said only the Star and Metro are running this story - actually while we're on the subject, new legislation has been passed to ensure Met officers reveal whether they are freemasons are not - something I couldn't see happening when the Tories were in power - and this has garnered virtually no news though it is there if you look for it.

It's a puerile stunt on Farage - but more important is how it highlights his grifting, then again he resembles a C-list celebrity rather than a politician. Trump was the same, and it won him power because of his reputation for business firstly and secondly because he co-opted the Republican Party.

Farage has no reputation for business - hence he has to do this stuff - and has no party to co-opt so he has to poach failed members of the failed Conservative party to allow 'experience' - it's desperate stuff.

But ultimately it's a numbers' game - we can place our arguments but I just don't know how many people there are out there who are allowed to vote and have no interest in politics; those who normally don't vote but will turn out if they think it will annoy someone and the result will make a difference.

For music lovers of a certain age, it's like, okay, do you know anyone who bought a Robson and Jerome single? Or Bryan Adams' Everything I Do? Why wasn't Pulp or Blur or Oasis the best-selling single of the year? Because those other singles engaged those who don't normally like music, or buy records.

I haven't watched the video but presumably it's just like those where teenagers trick the shop tannoy person or radio presenter into announcing a message for Hugh Janus or Drew Peacock? If so, I would say tedious rather than deeply disgusting.

This is all nonsense though
Economic signs are good. Growth higher than expected, stock market and bonds moving in the right directions
Cost of living is increasing more slowly due to drops in inflation, though I do see it’s an issue.
Unemployment is an odd one as I think there are also more people employed - it’s a demographic thing but will resolve if the economic stuff above continues
Taxes for the vast majority haven’t increased at all income tax unchanged
Immigration has reduced massively and the asylum backlog is being

I don’t know why a long term Labour voter would go far right. Surely Lib Dems or Greens (or even Tories) would be a more believable vote if you don’t think Labour are doing well?

No I think the point is that we can dismiss reform voter as stupid, racist, uneducated etc etc, which was EXACTLY what happened during the Brexit campaign. I remember seeing messages about how leavers didn’t ’understand’ and everyone interviewed was always short of a few brain cells.

We need to learn from this. We need to listen and not assume they’re all a bit thick. Because if we don’t we’re heading towards a reform government. See how they are recruiting those with cabinet experience- they’re getting ready for government.

Starmer Mk1 is fine by me. Not perfect. I’d like more radical policies. But better than any of the other alternatives (and in any case in post for the rest of the Parliament).

Shop tannoy people or radio presenters aren't campaigning to run the UK.

It's just goading. The OP has advertised this thread on another thread for Keir Starmer supporters. They will bully any reform voters who post on this one.

When a better right wing option presents itself, people don't exactly have a choice in this so called democracy

except Leave voters didn’t understand, did they? Remain were correct about the result of Brexit. Are we supposed to ignore it when people are wrong?

Ah - makes sense - the British reaction.
I’ve always said that Farage runs home after his ‘events with the common people’ to wash the taste of beer off with a G&T and the taste of fags out with cigars. And then sits there laughing to himself at how stupid his followers are.
Someone told me Trump once said he likes stupid people and the country needs more of them - I expect Farage thinks the same.

What welcoming posters on this topic. I wonder why reform voters don't want a discussion with you all.

To address your question re recording a birthday message. No I don’t think most reform supporters will change their minds. Firstly they will believe he’s been tricked and set up. Also, it’s more about the policies not the personalities, ( obviously they have zero chance of delivering most of the polices but they will water down nearer the time). Finally, the orange one is a sex offender amongst other things but it hasn’t stopped him being voted in twice! It beggars belief but here we are.

Many, possibly most, people on that thread aren’t Starmer (or even Labour) supporters. It’s not bullying to give your opinion on an opinion board.

Farage is appalling to anyone who is not hard-of-thinking, but you’re missing the point. There is a groundswell of increasingly furious people who wouldn’t give a fuck if he was frogmarching around Clacton on Sea in jackboots. He is the “fuck the lot of you” candidate and the “it couldn’t get any worse” candidate, and will get plenty of votes on that basis alone.

It gives me no pleasure to admit this, although I do understand the “a plague on both your houses” feeling. There is nobody in UK politics who deserves my vote, and Labour’s current tactics suggest that I won’t even have one for much longer.

I agree, but I don't know what will work. He is openly, for example, saying he would fundamentally change/get rid of the NHS and people who's lives will be turned upside down by that decision, because they will have so much less money after paying for insurance or because they won't be able to afford it and will risk watching a loved one die, are suddenly saying it's a sensible idea.

I don't understand how to talk about politics any more.

We were talking about the video and I said I had started a thread on it as I think the story deserves some wider discussion, especially as not many news outlets seem to be covering it. Nothing wrong with that.

If you think I am goading have a word with MNHQ and they will zap the thread if they agree.

(Edted as posted original too soon and thenmade loads of typos🙄)

Labour is just lousy with its messaging.

The Tories salted the earth for the incoming Labour Govt - they kicked the issue of RAK (?) concrete in schools down the road because they didn't want to fork out for it, they wanted the Lab Govt to pick up the tab.

There are other such instances, I think.

But Labour is wrong if it thinks that being more competent and less corrupt is enough to inspire the electorate - Reform has hardly any policies but has it's one big thing - cut the immigrant numbers - and voters can visualise that happening, imagining it's easy to achieve, I don't know it is.

If you don't have some 'project' or 'vision' that is identifiable, it's easy to get waylaid by negative reaction to your policies, on pubs and farmers and so on. Which really, Labour should have anticipated anyway.

Incremental improvements across the board don't win elections imo.

Because the LibDems are a nothingburger and Greens care more about pronouns than the environment. You really do not understand what is going on if you think these are somehow viable alternatives

Your last sentence is utter nonsense. It suggests you are one of those supporting Reform as they are the ones pushing that particular nonsense.

And Reform are…what? No experience. Their councils are shit shows. They are full of failed Tories and their leader is a lying grifter. Great.

I think Reform are losing support tbh. I would vote for them but I am even less likely to vote for that slimeball Starmer.

I just want Labour out.