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To be so scared and horrified about ICE?

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BarbaraVineFan · 14/01/2026 23:03

Sorry, I know there must be other threads about this, but I’m lying in bed alone , feeling really terrified about what’s going on in the US right now and what it will lead to. I keep seeing videos saying that Trump’s administration is behaving as though they don’t have to worry about winning an election because they will just seize power. I also saw a couple suggesting that this is the start of civil war. I think it’s such a dark time for the world and I am genuinely worried for my 6 year old DD’s future.

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Sskka · 15/01/2026 22:26

@GaIadriel “the fact that people think they can just wade in and intervene in anything they disagree with shows how much we take our safety for granted over here”

There’s a spillover into how we think about rights too, in that once the idea takes hold that something is a right, it somehow slides into the idea that it entitles you to do that thing in any circumstances you choose and any hindrance upon you doing so is illegitimate or oppressive. Hence the idea that protest is a right, and indeed almost a duty if you take some of the rhetoric at face value, was inevitably going to end up with it being exercised in circumstances where doing so is entirely inappropriate, and people are surprised and shocked when it goes badly.

I do wonder whether these are signs of a society grown dangerously fat and complacent, having had everything we want for too long. We don’t know what to do when a situation arises where we can’t all get what we want, and mad things happen.

Abitlosttoday · 15/01/2026 22:29

GinAndJuice99 · 15/01/2026 00:30

Why are you scared? It's bad but America is just another foreign country at the end of the day. It has nothing to do us in the UK at all.

This is a ludicrous thing to say.

Croakymccroakyvoice · 15/01/2026 22:30

MeltedSunshine · 15/01/2026 08:56

Are you terrified for people in Australia or New Zealand where immigration authorities raid shops and work places too? The same also happens in the UK. Do you not think immigration laws should be enforced?

It's not the same.

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Croakymccroakyvoice · 15/01/2026 22:38

GaIadriel · 15/01/2026 20:14

It's bonkers.

The way I see it, if you live in a democratic country and don't find the political direction to your taste you have several options. You can leave, put up with it, or you can try and effect change via the legitimate channels such as voting. However, engaging in civil unrest isn't an option I'd recommend and sadly it seems to be one that's more common with the left/antifa than any other demographic.

Trump has always been crystal clear where immigration is concerned so one can only assume that a lot of Americans agree with his stance, as many here agree with Reform.

I mean, if I was to write a guide on how not to get shot by an officer I'd probs recommend keeping a safe distance and avoiding any heated exchanges, especially when said officers are already engaged in a high tension exercise of the type which has seen numerous shootout in the last year.

I certainly wouldn't recommend deliberately hunting down armed officers and taunting them/blasting whistles at them whilst trying to sabotage their operation by warning possible criminals off.

Winding up an armed male and giving him an excuse to shoot you isn't really a great idea IMO.

You seem to have forgotten about Jan 6th ...

I can only assume that those who believe shooting Renee was justified would also feel that every one of the people breaking in against the direct orders of the police here should also have been shot?

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Croakymccroakyvoice · 15/01/2026 22:43

5MinuteArgument · 15/01/2026 18:42

Yes, thankyou for pointing this out. Trouble is for many posters here, this doesn't fit their narrative.

Stuff like this wasn't happening under Obama was it? He didn't flood cities with thousands of armed masked men dragging people out of cars or stopping them on the street demanding to.see ID because they are brown.

Taken from A Mighty Girl on FB....

Christina Rank, a 25-year-old classroom assistant, was pulling into the parking lot of Concord Education Center a special education school in Inver Grove Heights, Minnesota where she has worked for seven years early Monday morning when an ICE vehicle collided with her car. According to witnesses, agents quickly surrounded her vehicle, broke her window, and dragged her out. As masked agents shoved her into the back of their SUV, Christina could be heard sobbing "Why? Why? Why?" before they drove off with her.

This disturbing incident occurred as 3,000 heavily armed federal agents have flooded the Minneapolis area since early January -- one of the largest federal occupations of an American city in U.S. history. Mayor Jacob Frey observed yesterday that federal agents now outnumber local law enforcement by nearly five to one. Many residents have compared the experience to a military occupation, with masked agents in combat gear carrying assault rifles and patrolling quiet residential streets in convoys of unmarked vehicles.

This mirrors a pattern that has emerged across the Minneapolis area over the past two weeks, with numerous residents reporting that federal agents who are often seen driving recklessly, speeding, and going through red lights have rammed their vehicles. In this case, ICE agents attempted to justify their actions by claiming Christina had hit their vehicle. In video footage from the scene, an agent can be heard saying she "rammed" his car. But multiple witnesses, including coworkers who were present, immediately disputed this account.

One colleague is heard on video saying: "I was right here. I was right here the whole time. You rammed her vehicle." Physical evidence further contradicted the agents' claims. Christina's mother, Sarah Hunkele, noted that the damage was to the passenger side door and rear window not the front bumper indicating that "they rammed her and then broke her window to pull her out of the vehicle."

Christina was taken to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention facility at Fort Snelling and held for nearly 12 hours. Throughout her detention, her family received almost no information. "You don't know where she is going, where she is at, what is happening," her mother said. "I was told I could not see her and was not able to talk with anyone there. She was told she would get another phone call once they decided if they were going to charge her but we haven't heard anything since," Hunkele added.

"The lack of visibility and accountability is awful," her mother continued. "She is being treated like a criminal for no reason." As of January 15, no charges have been filed against Christina and ICE has not responded to media requests for comment.

Christina's mother questioned why ICE agents were at a special education school in the first place -- and why they used such excessive force on her daughter. "The school is one for students with special needs. Why were they there? What was their purpose being at this location? And what was the purpose behind their excessive force with Christina?"

Concord Education Center is a Level 4 school, meaning it serves students with severe disabilities with very limited verbal skills. Amber Cherrier, a former special education teacher at the school, explained the implications of federal agents operating in such an environment.

"These children will likely not understand the demands shouted by police or ICE," Cherrier observed. "They will likely not be able to comply and are extremely vulnerable around police and ICE, especially if the person does not have extensive training and understanding of neurodivergence and how to de-escalate a situation."

Hunkele said she cannot understand why federal agents showed up with weapons to such a sensitive environment. "The staff is there not only to teach but to protect. For federal agents to show up with guns?" She emphasized that her daughter would never act with ill intent: "She's young. She's very passionate about her work. She's very caring. She would never do anything with ill intent. There was a lot of unnecessary force used in a situation that could have been defused in many other ways."

Christina's case is just one example of the reckless, lawless behavior that federal agents have been engaging in throughout the Minneapolis area over the past several weeks. Numerous videos and witness testimonies have documented agents ramming civilians' cars, detaining U.S. citizens for hours without explanation, and deploying aggressive tactics in residential neighborhoods.

Targeting of vulnerable environments like schools and daycare centers has become increasingly common -- areas that had been designated "protected" or "sensitive locations" under policies dating back to 2011. As one of his first acts in office after being inaugurated last year, Trump rescinded those long-standing protections, eliminating restrictions that had prevented ICE agents from conducting enforcement operations at schools, churches, hospitals, and other sensitive areas without supervisory approval.

In announcing a lawsuit to halt the federal occupation, Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison put it plainly: "This is, in essence, a federal invasion of the Twin Cities and Minnesota. And it must stop." U.S. Rep. Angie Craig, who called Christina's detention "shocking," has introduced legislation to keep ICE out of sensitive locations like schools, daycares, and churches. "Schools should be safe places for our teachers to teach and students to learn," she said.

Craig also offered a stark warning to all Americans: "What is happening in America, the path that we are traveling, certainly reminds me of many of the images that we saw in the 1930s in Germany. We should stand up to this lawless administration."

> Here's how to take action against the militarization of U.S. cities: Congress must fund the Department of Homeland Security by January 30, and spending bills require 60 votes in the Senate meaning Democrats have leverage to demand restrictions on ICE. Call your Senators at (202) 224-3121 and tell them: No vote for DHS funding without serious guardrails on how ICE operates and accountability for agents who use excessive force.

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To read more about Christina's arrest, visit www.twincities.com/2026/01/12/inver-grove-heights-teacher-at-special-education-school-held-by-ice-for-nearly-12-hours and www.yahoo.com/news/articles/twin-cities-teaching-assistant-us-224933908.html

To see a video of the aftermath of her arrest, visit www.facebook.com/reel/1316121270266463

For a new report from The New York Times on the aggressive tactics being used by federal agents occupying Minneapolis, visit www.nytimes.com/2026/01/13/us/ice-videos-minnesota-trump-immigration.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.MiAX.iGzKD0OhkViE&smid=url-share


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ShowMeTheSea · 15/01/2026 23:19

Croakymccroakyvoice · 15/01/2026 22:38

You seem to have forgotten about Jan 6th ...

I can only assume that those who believe shooting Renee was justified would also feel that every one of the people breaking in against the direct orders of the police here should also have been shot?

Ah, that's different though.
Because, reasons.
Or something

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CustardySergeant · 16/01/2026 00:15

My daughter intends to go to the USA this year to visit online friends (she has visited them previously - before Trump became president) and I wish she wouldn't. It's not safe for her.

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Ihavelostthegame · 16/01/2026 01:32

Sskka · 15/01/2026 22:26

@GaIadriel “the fact that people think they can just wade in and intervene in anything they disagree with shows how much we take our safety for granted over here”

There’s a spillover into how we think about rights too, in that once the idea takes hold that something is a right, it somehow slides into the idea that it entitles you to do that thing in any circumstances you choose and any hindrance upon you doing so is illegitimate or oppressive. Hence the idea that protest is a right, and indeed almost a duty if you take some of the rhetoric at face value, was inevitably going to end up with it being exercised in circumstances where doing so is entirely inappropriate, and people are surprised and shocked when it goes badly.

I do wonder whether these are signs of a society grown dangerously fat and complacent, having had everything we want for too long. We don’t know what to do when a situation arises where we can’t all get what we want, and mad things happen.

@Sskkawhat bullshit! It’s not entitled or complacent to want and expect the rules of law and order to be upheld. ICE are acting against the law. We have rules and laws for a reason. We have protocols and regulations for ALL law enforcement for a reason.
ICE repeatedly are entering private property without permission and without a warrant. That is illegal. If they had or have evidence that illegal immigrants live there, fine go to court and get a valid warrant. Just as Obama’s administration proved both worked and was effective.

ICE have been carrying out dangerous road traffic stops. Which have resulted in numerous dangerous incidents occurring on the road. People have almost been run over by unoccupied moving vehicles because nobody put the vehicle in park for example.

Children are being shot at. One child has permanently lost the vision in one eye as a result.

And completely taking what Renee did or did not do out of the equation for a minute. Nobody can conclude 15 minutes after a situation has occurred where a woman has been shot - incidentally before it seems she was even pronounced deceased by the hospital doctors - that she was a domestic terrorist. Nor can they conclude that the shooting was justified. Yet that is what Trumps administration did. Minutes after this horrific (under any circumstances) incident occurred you have the president and his VP going on air to justify what the officer did. No time for any investigation. No time for evidence to be collected. No time for her wider family to be informed - including her children. No time for the ICE agents family to be informed.

The actions of both ICE and Trumps administration scream guilty. They stink of a cover up. If they are not trying to hide something then why not have a full investigation? All they needed do was state that this was an awful thing and that there would be an investigation into what happened and why. Here in the UK as soon as anything like this happens immediately the police conduct authority is called in to independently investigate what happened. That should be the very basic expectation in a civilised society. And it’s not entitled to want or expect that.

Ihavelostthegame · 16/01/2026 01:37

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You can spout your bullshit misinformation all you like. But none of that is remotely true and have been proven numerous times.

Stop the lies!

Your saying none of it is up for debate and attempts to shut down those who are speaking the truth is revolting.

Renee and her WIFE lived a couple of minutes from where the shooting took place. They were returning home from dropping their son to school when they came across the ICE agents and the protestors. They did what any decent human beings would do and stopped to join in.

Renee was murdered in cold blood by an out of control ICE agent. As you damn well know.

Doingtheboxerbeat · 16/01/2026 02:37

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Yeah, I'm not reading all that 😁.
Many hearts and up votes you say 🙄 Really 🤔???

RingoJuice · 16/01/2026 03:50

Renee and her WIFE lived a couple of minutes from where the shooting took place. They were returning home from dropping their son to school when they came across the ICE agents and the protestors. They did what any decent human beings would do and stopped to join in

No they didn’t just randomly come across ICE vehicles. Renee’s wife admits on camera that she had asked Renee to come down there that day. They were part of some anti-ICE group.

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Ihavelostthegame · 16/01/2026 04:38

RingoJuice · 16/01/2026 03:50

Renee and her WIFE lived a couple of minutes from where the shooting took place. They were returning home from dropping their son to school when they came across the ICE agents and the protestors. They did what any decent human beings would do and stopped to join in

No they didn’t just randomly come across ICE vehicles. Renee’s wife admits on camera that she had asked Renee to come down there that day. They were part of some anti-ICE group.

It is true. The live a couple of blocks up from where the shooting took place. Their son goes to school minutes away from where the shooting took place.

Yes it was Renee’s wife who instigated stopping at the protest and driving down to where it was happening but it does not change the facts.
They live there. They had just drops their son to school.

HipHopDontYouStop · 16/01/2026 04:42

i read ICE cannot under the law order you to get out of your car.

Whatever Ms Good did, she did not deserve to be executed.

That ICE officer did not need to shoot her dead. And then call her an effing bitch.

It is crazy that people are trying to justify a killing, a cold blooded killing on the streets by these ICE goons.

The mental gymnastics to try and justify a trigger happy thug is incredible.

Newbutoldfather · 16/01/2026 05:01

I do think most people are a bit hypocritical about immigration.

I do know a few people who think all immigration is good, both legal and illegal (undocumented if you prefer), but the vast majority want immigration regulated.

It shouldn’t be that routes open are the lottery, investment, skills, birth or ……sneaking in.

And if you do think immigration should be controlled, you have to enforce it somehow, so you need something like ICE. The idea of ‘sanctuary cities’ is ridiculous. Cities can’t decide on their own immigration policy.

I think the way ICE cover their faces and don’t seem to be accountable is very wrong. A lot if them do seem to be thugs too. However, all countries are waking up to the fact that immigration does need to somehow be physically controlled and undocumented immigrants repatriated.

Sskka · 16/01/2026 06:23

@Newbutoldfather Exactly. None of this is real, people have become addicted to picking a side and arguing, and it’s ridiculous. We saw it before with BLM, and now it’s happening again – ‘activism’ to no sensible purpose, beyond making the activists feel righteous. That’s why it produces no sensible results, just madness and the occasional tragedy. Don’t get caught up in it.

“if you do think immigration should be controlled, you have to enforce it somehow, so you need something like ICE”

Well, quite. People talk like they’re protesting about the methods, or concerned lawful migrants might get deported. I did ask someone upthread whether, if the methods were different, they would be in favour of removing all the illegal migrants – crickets. Nobody’s actually concerned about any of that. They barely even care about migrants. They just want to be protesters.

hattie43 · 16/01/2026 07:28

She was a silly woman who paid the ultimate price .

RingoJuice · 16/01/2026 07:39

Echobelly · 15/01/2026 19:03

OK, so you get intelligence on people who are illegal or have committed crime and you target them if you want to do that. You don't create a vast force of undisciplined men dragging random people off the street and not even giving people a chance to prove if they are citizens. It's not only cruel and intimidating, it's a massive waste of public money that they are abducting and imprisoning people when a simple ID check could confirm if they are not their targets.

Also America should maybe have thought twice before making their massive agricultural system dependent on undocumented labour if they want to get rid of all of them. As they have discovered, this does not lead to a bonanza of jobs that Americans wish to take up.

That’s what they are doing. They have deportation orders and have certain targets. They aren’t just going door to door looking for illegals (worksite raids are better for that)

But Renee and her wife are activists who tried obstructing ICE. They should have been arrested and remained in a federal prison for what they’ve done.

And we have something called an H-2 visa which is uncapped (can issue as many as needed). So there is a legal avenue for them to use.

RingoJuice · 16/01/2026 07:42

HipHopDontYouStop · 16/01/2026 04:42

i read ICE cannot under the law order you to get out of your car.

Whatever Ms Good did, she did not deserve to be executed.

That ICE officer did not need to shoot her dead. And then call her an effing bitch.

It is crazy that people are trying to justify a killing, a cold blooded killing on the streets by these ICE goons.

The mental gymnastics to try and justify a trigger happy thug is incredible.

Well you read wrong.

ICE are federal agents and have the right to detain citizens who are impeding their operations.

PermanentTemporary · 16/01/2026 07:50

But 99% of this is simply irrelevant. She was shot. Her character, lifestyle, criminal or social history… irrelevant. She wasn’t detained. She got three bullets in her and bled out on the street.

Katemax82 · 16/01/2026 07:52

PermanentTemporary · 14/01/2026 23:17

I agree with you that there are a lot of Brits who would absolutely love to be watching back to back clips of a British Ice tasing and manhandling brown people, plus a fiercely competitive scrap to be employed by them. I just hope there are an awful lot more who are poleaxed with horror at the idea.

People who are against illegal immigrants are not opposed to "brown people!" My sister's best friend at school was brown and a British citizen like a lot of "brown" people!!

user4532789 · 16/01/2026 07:56

MimiSunshine · 15/01/2026 10:55

but the vast majority are not the rapists and murderers that the US government claim then to be though are they?
they are actually net contributors because an undocumented worker in the US, puts in through tax what they can’t actually take out (in terms of universal healthcare etc).

it’s just an easy picking for ICE to go after those that are easily found. Same with the detaining people at court houses who are going through the official process to be a legal citizen.

Not to mention that the administration has suddenly withdrawn TPS (temporary protected status) for Hatians and Somalians, making people who were in the US legally, no longer legal.

RingoJuice · 16/01/2026 08:21

PermanentTemporary · 16/01/2026 07:50

But 99% of this is simply irrelevant. She was shot. Her character, lifestyle, criminal or social history… irrelevant. She wasn’t detained. She got three bullets in her and bled out on the street.

She resisted arrest. And then drove at a federal agent. Don’t say they didn’t try!