To feel weird about Brownies because there’s a boy there?

[ElizaDolittle124]

Was invited to Brownies tonight to see my daughter do her ‘promise’. Was a bit awkward as it turns out there’s a boy in the group. Another parent turned up with a younger sibling who immediately said loudly ‘mummy why is there a boy here?’ The mum was v flustered trying to explain he wanted to join in and the child just said ‘but brownies is for girls’ until she told him to be quiet.

I just feel a bit weird that I didn’t know. The whole reason we joined brownies was for the girls only environment, which my daughter was really excited about. Feel like I should have just put her in the scouts instead now (which would have been more convenient). But my friend is one of the brownie leaders and she encouraged me by promoting the idea of a girl’s only space.

There’s a brownie camp sleepover thing next month where they sleep in dormitories. My daughter can’t go anyway as we have other plans that weekend, but it’s got me wondering how they’re going to arrange that? Surely they can’t have the boy sleeping separately in a room on his own, but equally he can’t go with the girls?

It's really sad. You'd think figures like Carlos Acosta might have changed perceptions a bit but it seems it's much the same.

I know. Ballet dancers (male and female) need Olympic levels of strength and fitness, but people just don't realise. They think it is all prissy twirling about.

My friend's son is in the Royal Ballet and has been coached by Carlos Acosta.

So @ElizaDolittle124 have you actually asked /spoken to your friend to find out who/why/how

Scouts is mixed sex and also a controlled environment where they won’t be play fighting etc. they do a wide variety of activities. Guides is single sex. Girls only. They don’t sit around playing with dolls and braiding their hair at guides. They do similar outdoor activities to scouts. But are girls only.

What the scouts chose to do is no concern to the guides. If a local boys school became mixed sex does that mean the local girls school which is completely unconnected MUST become mixed sex? Or are they allowed to make their own decisions about being single sex and not have that taken away by the decision of an entirely separate organisation?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rn250ddjo

there you have it

Good.

Boys aren't girls. They are boys, biological males and always will be. Sex matters. Biology matters.

Aren’t you lovely. No thought for the children bring forced to leave or children, parents and leaders happy to have them there. Children being used as a political football again. Just vile.

But what about those not happy to have them there? Their views are valid too.

It's an organisation for girls. Pretty simple really its not for boys. Aren't you lovely not caring for girls, but pushing them aside to accommodate boys. A bit like women being push aside for men who feel they are women! It's a girls organisation. They could join a boys one, there are plenty of them.

Apparently not, only the views of people who "think" they are in the wrong body matter.

I think people are getting fed up being shoved aside by a minority who think they are in a wrong body. Sports, changing rooms, rape centres, The WI, girls organisation. Once all were captured but people are pushing back and say NO.

To be honest I care more about the kids sold the lie that they can change sex then people who.tell them lies do. Why lie to children.

As of today, trans girls and trans women volunteers have until 6 September to leave. Guides has become girls only once more, other than adult volunteering positions open to both sexes.

Why were these children lied to in the first place?

Why are the rest of us being held responsible for propping up these lies?

We didn't tell these boys they could change sex or be welcomed into girls spaces. The adults who did that need to hold themselves accountable.

No a few zealots and extremists are
and weaponising children. Just vile.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k1vkmxgd6o

Why are you telling girls they don't have the right to single sex space of their own?

Speaking of prejudices...

I have a ds who goes to cubs (and loves it) who likes bird watching, dog grooming and karaoke and has never even looked at Minecraft! Why would cubs only suit one very narrow stereotype of boy? Mine has loads of friends and great experiences.

There are also several girls in his pack and they seem happy to be their very own selves - not some performative version of boy that you believe they should be!

medium.com/@mimmymum/the-tiny-numbers-behind-the-girlguiding-trans-panic-923341202907

Why's that relevant? An organisation is either single sex or it isn't.

She's a frothing at the mouth TRA who's a cheerleader for that ghoul, Helen Webberley. I 'd take sod all seriously that MimmyMum spouted

But even if her "pulled these figures from the air" guesstimate is roughly correct, it doesn't matter.

It takes ONE trans-identifying boy in Guiding to make that whole unit a mixed sex space. Just as it took one doctor and one health worker to convert female changing rooms in Fife and Darlington into mixed sex spaces.

Girls behave differently in single sex environments. There are reams and reams of evidence that, when separated from boys, girls thrive, take more STEM subjects, are more physically active and speak up more. They are socialised to let boys dominate, so it's fantastic for them to have social and fun organisations meant just for them.

Every single confused or gender non-conforming boy who was attending a Guiding group was perverting the whole purpose of the Guiding movement.

This

The article loses any credibility it could have had by her insistence in describing the children who will have to leave as 'girls' as though GG was arbitarily discriminating against a subset of female children. If the children involved were girls they wouldn't be being asked to leave.
Shed have done far better to ask if it really mattered so much, and if a tiny number of boys attending guides was such a problem. While many would still say it is, there are others who may be persuaded the benefit of excluding those boys already in guides didn't outweigh the harm to them of being excluded. That's an argument that could gather some sympathy in the mainstream. But as usual, the pudding has to be over egged.

The zealous and extremists are those who think there are children who need to live as the opposite sex. Why did these kids not exist when I was at school? Why did all the childhood researchers never discover these children? Why is it just a big deal now? Why are parents going along with it and sending their boys to Girl Guiding as though it has no impact whatsover on the girls?

People that lie to children telling them they can change sex lied to them,I didn't. They were sold a lie. They are wrong since its impossible. Any amount of lopping bits off doesn't change DNA and biological reality.

They can live their version of what they think is the opposite sex. No problem. But lying to them telling that they can 'become ' the opposite sex is wrong.

Telling them they can enter the safe space of the opposite sex isn't fair on people who are unhappy or feel unsafe with that. Why do their views not matter.
Why do only the views of trans individuals matter, why can they shove their way into others safe spaces at will.
Stop lying to trans individuals.

They have to just ‘be kind’, obviously!

This is great news that Girl’s single sex spaces are once more single sex. These things really matter.