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AIBU for drawing firm lines after my child's great-grandfather tried to kill himself?

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HansTands · 14/01/2026 10:23

TW Suicide

I am sorry about the length of what I am about to write. I need to provide a lot of background information in order to make sense of why my partner and I are in this difficult position.

My partner's grandparents (whom I will refer to as Rose and Robert) are the great-grandparents of my child. They are approximately in their mid to late eighties. Rose and Robert have a very unhealthy, volatile relationship that has existed for a long time. As a result of the toxic relationship dynamics between them, they frequently argue with each other and use manipulative tactics to get what they want from others. Additionally, when confronted regarding their behaviour, they often behave like victims and tend to blame others for their problems. These behaviours have created long standing resentment among the rest of the family members, especially among Rose and Robert's adult children from a previous marriage.

Although Rose and Robert have had a toxic relationship for many years, they have been involved in our child's life. Prior to our child entering preschool, they cared for them on a weekly basis by picking them up from nursery and having them for the rest of the afternoon. Following the start of preschool, Rose and Robert began picking our child up on one day a week, taking him home for dinner and then dropping him off afterward.

Rose and Robert have disregarded our expressed boundaries regarding how our child should be treated for an extended period of time including giving our child too many treats and junk food in spite of our repeated requests to stop even going so far as to downplay or conceal the fact that they did so, frequently lying to our faces about it.
They also permit our child to engage in unsafe behaviour (i.e., jumping on furniture, pulling over Robert) without correcting the behaviour and minimizing the behaviour when confronted.

We have told them to stop multiple times, and despite our attempts, they continue to ignore us, conceal or minimize.

Recently, things came to a head. One of Robert's adult children had a significant family fight with Rose over resentments spanning years which were nothing to do with us. The two were engaged in a heated argument when they arrived at my child's birthday party. Robert was emotionally unresponsive during the entire celebration.

The next day, we were informed that Robert had been rushed to the hospital after attempting to take his own life. He had ingested a large amount of paracetamol, drove to a secluded wooded area that was tied to a significant event in his life, left a "goodbye" message, wrote a note, and passed out in his car. Fortunately, due to the fact that a family member was familiar with the location of the wooded area, Robert was located before it was too late.

While Robert was hospitalised mental health professionals asked him if he would do something like this again, he said "yes", provided the situation does not change, which is a huge concern.
Rose was very disconnected from the events surrounding her husband and redirected all discussions of her husband's condition to her own feelings of discomfort, going so far as to demand to know why no one was considering her feelings.

After the incident, both Rose and Robert have continued to insist that everything is fine and that they are completely able to take care of my child alone. Additionally, Robert has claimed that he is medically cleared to drive.

Due to the nature of the incident and the behaviour of Rose and Robert, my partner and I felt uneasy about returning to unsupervised childcare for my child.

After careful and lengthy discussions between My wife and I, we decided on a middle ground solution of no unsupervised visits to their house for now and no car rides with Robert as the driver. To facilitate supervised visits, my partner's mother (who normally provides our primary childcare support) will be present.

We explained the decision to Rose and Robert in a calm and rational manner. They responded negatively. Rose stated that we were ripping our child away from her. Robert stated that he would refuse to attend supervised visits with my partner's mother.

Emotions were running high, however, we remained firm in our stance and reiterated that these were boundaries, not punishment.

Since then, we have worked to find ways to allow Rose and Robert to maintain contact with our child, by permitting them to spend time with our child at our home while I am working from home.

However, even though Rose and Robert agreed to respect our established boundaries, they consistently try to undermine those boundaries by consistently pushing for unsupervised visits, every single conversation we have, this topic is broached. They're downplaying and minimizing the severity of the suicide attempt and refusing to seek any counselling/therapy claiming that he's "perfectly fine and medically cleared"
They're utilising guilt, emotional pressure, and extended family as leverage to gain control of situations

In addition to the above examples, most recently they refused to forward Christmas gifts to extended family unless our child accompanied the gifts, stating that they would not go to see them unless they can drive our child to them, going so far as to storm.out of our house when we told them we're not putting our child at risk.

We believe we are acting in the best interest of our child (and Robert and Rose to an extent with their ages) to protect them while still providing access to them. Unfortunately, we continue to be made to feel that we are heartless, unreasonable and/or selfish for not returning to unsupervised care of our child.

AIBU for establishing and maintaining these boundaries after a suicide attempt and unsafe behaviour by Robert, and despite the continued emotional pressures to abandon these boundaries from them both.

TL/DR: Grandfather attempts suicide, is unstable, and we establish boundaries of supervised contact and no driving. Grandparents continually try to circumvent boundaries, and make guilt trips to get us to go back to unsupervised care. AIBU for trying to protect our child?

OP posts:
Floofle · 14/01/2026 10:26

nope, hold firm!

BMW6 · 14/01/2026 10:30

YANBU - absolutely NO unsupervised contact and if they don't STFU I'd go NC at all.

Nevergotdivorced · 14/01/2026 10:32

Having dealt with a narcissistic mother who used suicide threats to manipulate myself and others then I would walk away.

You will never win, they will always push the boundaries, it’s fraught with problems

I hope this works for you.

LadyDanburysHat · 14/01/2026 10:38

YANBU, and honestly quite surprised you both allowed such elderly people to care for your child in the first place. And also let it continue despite knowing they did not stick to your very fair boundaries.

Avantiagain · 14/01/2026 10:38

They are too old to be looking after a young child without other support around them.

YorksMa · 14/01/2026 10:39

Of course you're not being unreasonable. It would not even be unreasonable to cut these people out of your life entirely.

LeonMccogh · 14/01/2026 10:40

My child would not see Rose and Robert anymore.

DaisyChain505 · 14/01/2026 10:41

Before the suicide attempt I would have stopped contact or at least unsupervised contact.

HipHopDontYouStop · 14/01/2026 10:42

Absolutely no contact at all imo. What utterly dreadful people. They’re like super toxic versions of The Twits.

Please don’t expose your dcs to these people at all. They are awful.

MadAsAMongoose · 14/01/2026 10:42

There is so much in there. So many reasons why I wouldn't allow my child to be with these people without me or my DH being there, and I would still limit the duration and frequency of visits even then.
It's a parent's job to protect their child's physical safety and their emotional & mental wellbeing to the best of their abilities. Those 3 needs of your child trump any needs of extended family members in any circumstances.

You are never unreasonable to protect your child

JanBlues2026 · 14/01/2026 10:42

No way, plus they are too old anyway to be looking after a young child unsupervised, I can’t believe you have had them doing childcare pushing 90!

TFImBackIn · 14/01/2026 10:43

Why on earth were you letting them have unsupervised care in the first place?

Whitesidetable · 14/01/2026 10:43

Why were you letting them look after such a young child in the first place?

KittyHigham · 14/01/2026 10:46

Although Rose and Robert have had a toxic relationship for many years, they have been involved in our child's life. Prior to our child entering preschool, they cared for them on a weekly basis by picking them up from nursery and having them for the rest of the afternoon. Following the start of preschool, Rose and Robert began picking our child up on one day a week, taking him home for dinner and then dropping him off afterward.
You have to bear responsibility for allowing this situation yo arise. You allowed 80+ year olds who have a toxic relationship to act in loco parentis for your very young child!
Of course you end that and put the welfare of your dc first!

humptydumptyfelloff · 14/01/2026 10:49

I wouldn’t have left my child in the care of great grandparents of that age anyway op

sorry but it’s a no

takealettermsjones · 14/01/2026 11:00

BMW6 · 14/01/2026 10:30

YANBU - absolutely NO unsupervised contact and if they don't STFU I'd go NC at all.

Nailed it.

HansTands · 14/01/2026 11:01

ETA - Alot of people have, quite rightly, commented asking why we let them.look after our child in the first place.

We did as they insisted they were fine to look after him and prior to Roberts attempt on his life, they had no physical issues of concern.

For a while we had been concerned about their ages and didn't use them for childcare as much. The day they looked after him, was on a Thursday from 1-6pm, so not for a prolonged period.

OP posts:
Thebigfellaisnowsnoozing · 14/01/2026 11:06

In this instance the wants of 2 adults don't outweigh the right to keep your dc safe..
It's non negotiable and you would be a crap parent if you caved...

takealettermsjones · 14/01/2026 11:06

HansTands · 14/01/2026 11:01

ETA - Alot of people have, quite rightly, commented asking why we let them.look after our child in the first place.

We did as they insisted they were fine to look after him and prior to Roberts attempt on his life, they had no physical issues of concern.

For a while we had been concerned about their ages and didn't use them for childcare as much. The day they looked after him, was on a Thursday from 1-6pm, so not for a prolonged period.

Sure, but even aside from their ages, physical issues, and the suicide attempt, there were huge problems. You said they had an unhealthy, toxic, volatile relationship, with arguments and manipulation, all of which your child could have witnessed. They gave your child sweets and junk food and lied to you about it, and had a lack of regard for safety. They had a heated argument at your child's birthday party. All whacking great red flags tbh.

andweallsingalong · 14/01/2026 11:06

To be fair I think you have picked the wrong battle.

Robert carefully planned the suicide attempt and masked during the party. It has no impact on any children due to the way he planned it. I do not think that his suicide attempt poses any risk to your child. I also think that he could see this as punishing him for it and be less likely to seek help if feeling re-emerge.

However, I do think you need to give yourself a shake and ask yourself why on earth you exposed your child to what you describe as two people engaged in a toxic relationship. Especially without a parent there to remove them if necessary and the party - Rose and adult child arrived arguing. Or do Rose and Robert behave better Infront of children. Where were your boundaries? Why didn't you tell them it was inappropriate and turn them around at the door.

viques · 14/01/2026 11:19

You need to ask yourself what is the real cost of accepting free childcare from these people?

Ormally · 14/01/2026 11:21

If you don't trust someone with your child, the relationship won't go very far.
Not much they would say would change your mind to flip back to trust, just like that. They are well aware of that.
It sounds as if they're used to quite an emotional dynamic, and to being combative when that is challenged, making out that someone else's reactions to them are unwarranted. That's sad, but your feelings and decisions are valid.

Nosleepforthismum · 14/01/2026 11:24

Honestly OP, you need to look at why you even allowed people in their mid to late 80’s do any kind of regular childcare - and yes, 1-6 is a long time!! You and your partner are entirely to blame here by putting your child at risk to save money on nursery fees. They sound dreadful but you are blaming them when you should be blaming yourselves for frankly being rubbish parents. Honestly, I cannot believe anyone with an ounce of sense would allow great grandparents pushing 90 to be responsible for a toddler - even without all the other issues you’ve mentioned!

beAsensible1 · 14/01/2026 11:25

do not back down on this.

I can't believe you let them watch DC at all if they're so volatile, it was a lapse in judgement that has now been corrected. You would be nuts to got back on it, ever.

Sc00bySnax432 · 14/01/2026 11:27

Of course there is a risk to the child !

Definitely, no accompanied access to your children , ever again

Your main priority is for the protection & safety of your children at all times