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AIBU for drawing firm lines after my child's great-grandfather tried to kill himself?

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HansTands · 14/01/2026 10:23

TW Suicide

I am sorry about the length of what I am about to write. I need to provide a lot of background information in order to make sense of why my partner and I are in this difficult position.

My partner's grandparents (whom I will refer to as Rose and Robert) are the great-grandparents of my child. They are approximately in their mid to late eighties. Rose and Robert have a very unhealthy, volatile relationship that has existed for a long time. As a result of the toxic relationship dynamics between them, they frequently argue with each other and use manipulative tactics to get what they want from others. Additionally, when confronted regarding their behaviour, they often behave like victims and tend to blame others for their problems. These behaviours have created long standing resentment among the rest of the family members, especially among Rose and Robert's adult children from a previous marriage.

Although Rose and Robert have had a toxic relationship for many years, they have been involved in our child's life. Prior to our child entering preschool, they cared for them on a weekly basis by picking them up from nursery and having them for the rest of the afternoon. Following the start of preschool, Rose and Robert began picking our child up on one day a week, taking him home for dinner and then dropping him off afterward.

Rose and Robert have disregarded our expressed boundaries regarding how our child should be treated for an extended period of time including giving our child too many treats and junk food in spite of our repeated requests to stop even going so far as to downplay or conceal the fact that they did so, frequently lying to our faces about it.
They also permit our child to engage in unsafe behaviour (i.e., jumping on furniture, pulling over Robert) without correcting the behaviour and minimizing the behaviour when confronted.

We have told them to stop multiple times, and despite our attempts, they continue to ignore us, conceal or minimize.

Recently, things came to a head. One of Robert's adult children had a significant family fight with Rose over resentments spanning years which were nothing to do with us. The two were engaged in a heated argument when they arrived at my child's birthday party. Robert was emotionally unresponsive during the entire celebration.

The next day, we were informed that Robert had been rushed to the hospital after attempting to take his own life. He had ingested a large amount of paracetamol, drove to a secluded wooded area that was tied to a significant event in his life, left a "goodbye" message, wrote a note, and passed out in his car. Fortunately, due to the fact that a family member was familiar with the location of the wooded area, Robert was located before it was too late.

While Robert was hospitalised mental health professionals asked him if he would do something like this again, he said "yes", provided the situation does not change, which is a huge concern.
Rose was very disconnected from the events surrounding her husband and redirected all discussions of her husband's condition to her own feelings of discomfort, going so far as to demand to know why no one was considering her feelings.

After the incident, both Rose and Robert have continued to insist that everything is fine and that they are completely able to take care of my child alone. Additionally, Robert has claimed that he is medically cleared to drive.

Due to the nature of the incident and the behaviour of Rose and Robert, my partner and I felt uneasy about returning to unsupervised childcare for my child.

After careful and lengthy discussions between My wife and I, we decided on a middle ground solution of no unsupervised visits to their house for now and no car rides with Robert as the driver. To facilitate supervised visits, my partner's mother (who normally provides our primary childcare support) will be present.

We explained the decision to Rose and Robert in a calm and rational manner. They responded negatively. Rose stated that we were ripping our child away from her. Robert stated that he would refuse to attend supervised visits with my partner's mother.

Emotions were running high, however, we remained firm in our stance and reiterated that these were boundaries, not punishment.

Since then, we have worked to find ways to allow Rose and Robert to maintain contact with our child, by permitting them to spend time with our child at our home while I am working from home.

However, even though Rose and Robert agreed to respect our established boundaries, they consistently try to undermine those boundaries by consistently pushing for unsupervised visits, every single conversation we have, this topic is broached. They're downplaying and minimizing the severity of the suicide attempt and refusing to seek any counselling/therapy claiming that he's "perfectly fine and medically cleared"
They're utilising guilt, emotional pressure, and extended family as leverage to gain control of situations

In addition to the above examples, most recently they refused to forward Christmas gifts to extended family unless our child accompanied the gifts, stating that they would not go to see them unless they can drive our child to them, going so far as to storm.out of our house when we told them we're not putting our child at risk.

We believe we are acting in the best interest of our child (and Robert and Rose to an extent with their ages) to protect them while still providing access to them. Unfortunately, we continue to be made to feel that we are heartless, unreasonable and/or selfish for not returning to unsupervised care of our child.

AIBU for establishing and maintaining these boundaries after a suicide attempt and unsafe behaviour by Robert, and despite the continued emotional pressures to abandon these boundaries from them both.

TL/DR: Grandfather attempts suicide, is unstable, and we establish boundaries of supervised contact and no driving. Grandparents continually try to circumvent boundaries, and make guilt trips to get us to go back to unsupervised care. AIBU for trying to protect our child?

OP posts:
tachetastic · 14/01/2026 13:10

HansTands · 14/01/2026 10:23

TW Suicide

I am sorry about the length of what I am about to write. I need to provide a lot of background information in order to make sense of why my partner and I are in this difficult position.

My partner's grandparents (whom I will refer to as Rose and Robert) are the great-grandparents of my child. They are approximately in their mid to late eighties. Rose and Robert have a very unhealthy, volatile relationship that has existed for a long time. As a result of the toxic relationship dynamics between them, they frequently argue with each other and use manipulative tactics to get what they want from others. Additionally, when confronted regarding their behaviour, they often behave like victims and tend to blame others for their problems. These behaviours have created long standing resentment among the rest of the family members, especially among Rose and Robert's adult children from a previous marriage.

Although Rose and Robert have had a toxic relationship for many years, they have been involved in our child's life. Prior to our child entering preschool, they cared for them on a weekly basis by picking them up from nursery and having them for the rest of the afternoon. Following the start of preschool, Rose and Robert began picking our child up on one day a week, taking him home for dinner and then dropping him off afterward.

Rose and Robert have disregarded our expressed boundaries regarding how our child should be treated for an extended period of time including giving our child too many treats and junk food in spite of our repeated requests to stop even going so far as to downplay or conceal the fact that they did so, frequently lying to our faces about it.
They also permit our child to engage in unsafe behaviour (i.e., jumping on furniture, pulling over Robert) without correcting the behaviour and minimizing the behaviour when confronted.

We have told them to stop multiple times, and despite our attempts, they continue to ignore us, conceal or minimize.

Recently, things came to a head. One of Robert's adult children had a significant family fight with Rose over resentments spanning years which were nothing to do with us. The two were engaged in a heated argument when they arrived at my child's birthday party. Robert was emotionally unresponsive during the entire celebration.

The next day, we were informed that Robert had been rushed to the hospital after attempting to take his own life. He had ingested a large amount of paracetamol, drove to a secluded wooded area that was tied to a significant event in his life, left a "goodbye" message, wrote a note, and passed out in his car. Fortunately, due to the fact that a family member was familiar with the location of the wooded area, Robert was located before it was too late.

While Robert was hospitalised mental health professionals asked him if he would do something like this again, he said "yes", provided the situation does not change, which is a huge concern.
Rose was very disconnected from the events surrounding her husband and redirected all discussions of her husband's condition to her own feelings of discomfort, going so far as to demand to know why no one was considering her feelings.

After the incident, both Rose and Robert have continued to insist that everything is fine and that they are completely able to take care of my child alone. Additionally, Robert has claimed that he is medically cleared to drive.

Due to the nature of the incident and the behaviour of Rose and Robert, my partner and I felt uneasy about returning to unsupervised childcare for my child.

After careful and lengthy discussions between My wife and I, we decided on a middle ground solution of no unsupervised visits to their house for now and no car rides with Robert as the driver. To facilitate supervised visits, my partner's mother (who normally provides our primary childcare support) will be present.

We explained the decision to Rose and Robert in a calm and rational manner. They responded negatively. Rose stated that we were ripping our child away from her. Robert stated that he would refuse to attend supervised visits with my partner's mother.

Emotions were running high, however, we remained firm in our stance and reiterated that these were boundaries, not punishment.

Since then, we have worked to find ways to allow Rose and Robert to maintain contact with our child, by permitting them to spend time with our child at our home while I am working from home.

However, even though Rose and Robert agreed to respect our established boundaries, they consistently try to undermine those boundaries by consistently pushing for unsupervised visits, every single conversation we have, this topic is broached. They're downplaying and minimizing the severity of the suicide attempt and refusing to seek any counselling/therapy claiming that he's "perfectly fine and medically cleared"
They're utilising guilt, emotional pressure, and extended family as leverage to gain control of situations

In addition to the above examples, most recently they refused to forward Christmas gifts to extended family unless our child accompanied the gifts, stating that they would not go to see them unless they can drive our child to them, going so far as to storm.out of our house when we told them we're not putting our child at risk.

We believe we are acting in the best interest of our child (and Robert and Rose to an extent with their ages) to protect them while still providing access to them. Unfortunately, we continue to be made to feel that we are heartless, unreasonable and/or selfish for not returning to unsupervised care of our child.

AIBU for establishing and maintaining these boundaries after a suicide attempt and unsafe behaviour by Robert, and despite the continued emotional pressures to abandon these boundaries from them both.

TL/DR: Grandfather attempts suicide, is unstable, and we establish boundaries of supervised contact and no driving. Grandparents continually try to circumvent boundaries, and make guilt trips to get us to go back to unsupervised care. AIBU for trying to protect our child?

While this is not the purpose for your post, could someone please make sure Robert and Rose understand that someone who takes a paracetamol overdose does not go to sleep and die peacefully as you see on TV.

If Robert had not been found there is a good chance he would probably have gone home a few hours later with no symptoms and assumed everything was fine. Only the lucky few have any symptoms while there is still time to save them. Without treatment, within 24 hours his liver would begin to fail, at which point the pain and vomiting would begin, but too late for treatment to help.

Without a functioning liver to clear toxins from his blood, over the next two weeks Robert's organs would begin to fail one by one. It can take up to three weeks for a person to die after taking a paracetamol overdose, all of which is spent in extreme pain other than when dosed up on morphine.

I am saying this not to be sensationalistic, but if Robert is saying he will try something like this again as a cry for attention, he needs to understand that having his entire family go through the agony of watching his body die over the course of weeks while they can do nothing to help him is an extremely selfish act on his part.

BarryKentPoet · 14/01/2026 13:10

Why does this read like a court document or something? Really odd, formal phrasing.

ukathleticscoach · 14/01/2026 13:16

Cut off - clear welfare issue

Avantiagain · 14/01/2026 13:19

"For a while we had been concerned about their ages and didn't use them for childcare as much. The day they looked after him, was on a Thursday from 1-6pm, so not for a prolonged period."

They were too elderly to be doing any childcare.

WandaW · 14/01/2026 13:20

I had an elderly competent relative in her 80s - but older people decline annd it’s not always very noticeable.
I never let her babysit alone - it’s not fair on anyone. Sorry but age alone probably means unsupervised childcare is now totally inappropriate.

MO0N · 14/01/2026 13:22

Rose and Robert are clearly dysfunctional and unstable people, I can't help wondering if the expectation that they provide childcare has sent them both over the edge?

JustCabbaggeLooking · 14/01/2026 13:23

This thread's as weird as the Punch and Judy bookends one.

Uhghg · 14/01/2026 13:23

BarryKentPoet · 14/01/2026 13:10

Why does this read like a court document or something? Really odd, formal phrasing.

I agree.

OP seems a bit intense.

Hes happy for 80 year olds to provide free child care for a prolonged period each week but then talks about ‘supervised visits’ with his wife’s elderly mother.

I don’t get the formal phrasing.

As a PP said, just say they’re not needed for childcare anymore but they’re more than welcome to come fir Sunday dinner and can see the child then (and then OP and his wife can supervise their own child).

OP and his wife are the irresponsible ones here and do not come across as good parents.
I think the formal wording is his way of trying to distract us from that.

Bollihobs · 14/01/2026 13:25

I think the only unreasonable bit of all this is having two octogenarians look after a pre school child (I mean, seriously??!) with the added factor that both of them have behavioural issues to boot. What were you thinking??

muddyford · 14/01/2026 13:26

BarryKentPoet · 14/01/2026 13:10

Why does this read like a court document or something? Really odd, formal phrasing.

Also refers to both partner and wife.

YourFairCyanReader · 14/01/2026 13:29

Just think the suicide attempt is irrelevant. And why wouldn't he be fit to drive because of it?

drspouse · 14/01/2026 13:33

Avantiagain · 14/01/2026 10:38

They are too old to be looking after a young child without other support around them.

They are too deranged to do this. My DF is in his 80s but can do light babysitting (not a full day of childcare for a young primary aged child) and drive our DC safely.
Many younger grandparents are completely unsuitable to do childcare.

Barnestine · 14/01/2026 13:34

They’re too old and too unstable to be looking after a young child. Continue as you are and try not to engage in any discussion with them. Just say you you’re unwell and can’t do with the arguments.

OhDear111 · 14/01/2026 13:35

Don’t agree to any more childcare and only allow dc supervised visits. Take control of the life of your dc.

LizzieSiddal · 14/01/2026 13:36

Look you’ve already ignored the fact they cross boundaries and ignore your wishes, DO NOT make the same mistake again! Your child should not be left with these people ever again! The suicide attempt is irrelevant!!

Minjou · 14/01/2026 13:37

I can't imagine what you were thinking letting them.havw any unsupervised contact in the first place, especially with driving.

I guess some people will do anything for free childcare.

Avantiagain · 14/01/2026 13:38

"They are too deranged to do this."

They are just too old. It is completely unreasonable to leave a pre schooler in the sole care of someone 85+.

TheLurpackYears · 14/01/2026 13:40

It started to get unreasonable when you continued to use them for free childcare despite not being happy with how they were doing it. Stop now, no unsupervised contact and low contact in general.

Cotton55 · 14/01/2026 13:47

LadyDanburysHat · 14/01/2026 10:38

YANBU, and honestly quite surprised you both allowed such elderly people to care for your child in the first place. And also let it continue despite knowing they did not stick to your very fair boundaries.

This was my first thought too.

Itsseweasy · 14/01/2026 13:48

What the actual fuck is wrong with you and your wife?
Rose and Robert should be no where near your children EVER.
They are clearly manipulative and self absorbed - they will never do what is right for anyone else but themselves and you definitely can not trust them.
Seriously do you even have to ask!!

nicepotoftea · 14/01/2026 13:49

I skim read your post, but just on grounds of age they are too old to be in sole care of a young child.

acorncrush · 14/01/2026 13:51

The fact that they have a toxic relationship and argue openly in front of others means they should not be looking after your children every single week.

The rest just makes it worse, but that is the real reason not to have them look after your child.

SleepingStandingUp · 14/01/2026 13:51

what exactly is your concern now OP cos you accepted your son being in the toxic environment and you accepted them ignoring your parenting requests and actively lying to you and you accepted two elderly people being physically in charge or and driving your young child around.

so whilst I wouldn't have done the above and would have stopped this long ago, the implication from their side is you think he'd attempt suicide whilst your son was there?

why does he need to be cleared for driving? I've never known attempting suicide to be something one has to be cleared with with the DVLA? Are you suggesting he might run his car off the road with your child in it or did the overdose cause damage to his heart?

i think you SHOULD stop them babysitting, you need to pay for proper care but I think clarifying in your mind exactly what you consider the risks to be might be helpful. Just because he's attempted suicide once doesn't mean he's a risk to your child. approaching the grandparents around their increasing age / changing needs might have been far less fiery than putting it all on the suicide attempt.

GAJLY · 14/01/2026 13:53

Nope and I don’t appreciate their blackmailing either. I’d stop all contact until they stop talking about unsupervised visits. You’re the parents and she is your child. Don’t worry about other people’s feelings being hurt, your child’s safety is more important.

silverwrath · 14/01/2026 13:53

They're over 80. They have an extremely toxic relationship. Yet you allowed them to take care of your child on a regular basis? 👀

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