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AIBU for drawing firm lines after my child's great-grandfather tried to kill himself?

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HansTands · 14/01/2026 10:23

TW Suicide

I am sorry about the length of what I am about to write. I need to provide a lot of background information in order to make sense of why my partner and I are in this difficult position.

My partner's grandparents (whom I will refer to as Rose and Robert) are the great-grandparents of my child. They are approximately in their mid to late eighties. Rose and Robert have a very unhealthy, volatile relationship that has existed for a long time. As a result of the toxic relationship dynamics between them, they frequently argue with each other and use manipulative tactics to get what they want from others. Additionally, when confronted regarding their behaviour, they often behave like victims and tend to blame others for their problems. These behaviours have created long standing resentment among the rest of the family members, especially among Rose and Robert's adult children from a previous marriage.

Although Rose and Robert have had a toxic relationship for many years, they have been involved in our child's life. Prior to our child entering preschool, they cared for them on a weekly basis by picking them up from nursery and having them for the rest of the afternoon. Following the start of preschool, Rose and Robert began picking our child up on one day a week, taking him home for dinner and then dropping him off afterward.

Rose and Robert have disregarded our expressed boundaries regarding how our child should be treated for an extended period of time including giving our child too many treats and junk food in spite of our repeated requests to stop even going so far as to downplay or conceal the fact that they did so, frequently lying to our faces about it.
They also permit our child to engage in unsafe behaviour (i.e., jumping on furniture, pulling over Robert) without correcting the behaviour and minimizing the behaviour when confronted.

We have told them to stop multiple times, and despite our attempts, they continue to ignore us, conceal or minimize.

Recently, things came to a head. One of Robert's adult children had a significant family fight with Rose over resentments spanning years which were nothing to do with us. The two were engaged in a heated argument when they arrived at my child's birthday party. Robert was emotionally unresponsive during the entire celebration.

The next day, we were informed that Robert had been rushed to the hospital after attempting to take his own life. He had ingested a large amount of paracetamol, drove to a secluded wooded area that was tied to a significant event in his life, left a "goodbye" message, wrote a note, and passed out in his car. Fortunately, due to the fact that a family member was familiar with the location of the wooded area, Robert was located before it was too late.

While Robert was hospitalised mental health professionals asked him if he would do something like this again, he said "yes", provided the situation does not change, which is a huge concern.
Rose was very disconnected from the events surrounding her husband and redirected all discussions of her husband's condition to her own feelings of discomfort, going so far as to demand to know why no one was considering her feelings.

After the incident, both Rose and Robert have continued to insist that everything is fine and that they are completely able to take care of my child alone. Additionally, Robert has claimed that he is medically cleared to drive.

Due to the nature of the incident and the behaviour of Rose and Robert, my partner and I felt uneasy about returning to unsupervised childcare for my child.

After careful and lengthy discussions between My wife and I, we decided on a middle ground solution of no unsupervised visits to their house for now and no car rides with Robert as the driver. To facilitate supervised visits, my partner's mother (who normally provides our primary childcare support) will be present.

We explained the decision to Rose and Robert in a calm and rational manner. They responded negatively. Rose stated that we were ripping our child away from her. Robert stated that he would refuse to attend supervised visits with my partner's mother.

Emotions were running high, however, we remained firm in our stance and reiterated that these were boundaries, not punishment.

Since then, we have worked to find ways to allow Rose and Robert to maintain contact with our child, by permitting them to spend time with our child at our home while I am working from home.

However, even though Rose and Robert agreed to respect our established boundaries, they consistently try to undermine those boundaries by consistently pushing for unsupervised visits, every single conversation we have, this topic is broached. They're downplaying and minimizing the severity of the suicide attempt and refusing to seek any counselling/therapy claiming that he's "perfectly fine and medically cleared"
They're utilising guilt, emotional pressure, and extended family as leverage to gain control of situations

In addition to the above examples, most recently they refused to forward Christmas gifts to extended family unless our child accompanied the gifts, stating that they would not go to see them unless they can drive our child to them, going so far as to storm.out of our house when we told them we're not putting our child at risk.

We believe we are acting in the best interest of our child (and Robert and Rose to an extent with their ages) to protect them while still providing access to them. Unfortunately, we continue to be made to feel that we are heartless, unreasonable and/or selfish for not returning to unsupervised care of our child.

AIBU for establishing and maintaining these boundaries after a suicide attempt and unsafe behaviour by Robert, and despite the continued emotional pressures to abandon these boundaries from them both.

TL/DR: Grandfather attempts suicide, is unstable, and we establish boundaries of supervised contact and no driving. Grandparents continually try to circumvent boundaries, and make guilt trips to get us to go back to unsupervised care. AIBU for trying to protect our child?

OP posts:
DecisionTime123 · 14/01/2026 11:31

I think you are getting way too involved here; all you need to to is remove yourself and your child from them, full stop.

gamerchick · 14/01/2026 11:33

Quite honestly OP, I can't get over you using a couple heading for their 90s to do childcare for a young child in the first place. Especially a couple who fight like cat and dog.

Time to rectify that a bit. I know common sense is thin on the ground these days but fucking hell dude.

Just stop. Children are precious and don't deserve to be put wherever is free or cheap. Get proper childcare.

WhatNoRaisins · 14/01/2026 11:37

Agree with PP wondering what you were thinking using people in their 80s for childcare for a toddler. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but I can't help wonder what else you are making an error of judgement on.

tinymeteor · 14/01/2026 11:43

Absolutely NBU. They are not stable adults who can be trusted to be responsible for your very small child. If they are unable to understand that, it's just further confirmation that their judgment is suspect and they are prepared to put their own hurt feelings above a child's wellbeing. If you caved, you'd be doing the same. Let them rant. Your child comes first.

ThatsPlentyIsa · 14/01/2026 11:44

YANBU to stick to your guns, but you have to bear some responsibility for allowing the previous boundary-pushing to set a precedent. The third time they deliberately crossed lines you’d made clear you weren’t happy about, you should have made different arrangements. It’s probably much easier for you to say enough, than it is for your partner, who has presumably had a lifetime of ‘oh, Rose and Robert, what are they like, eh?’

MyDeftDuck · 14/01/2026 11:51

You are clearly acting in the best interests for your child. Stand your ground and do not give in. Rose and Robert can accept your ground rules and see their GGC or pretend everything in their garden is rosie, which it clearly isn’t, and lose all contact.
Well done OP 💐

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/01/2026 11:52

ThatsPlentyIsa · 14/01/2026 11:44

YANBU to stick to your guns, but you have to bear some responsibility for allowing the previous boundary-pushing to set a precedent. The third time they deliberately crossed lines you’d made clear you weren’t happy about, you should have made different arrangements. It’s probably much easier for you to say enough, than it is for your partner, who has presumably had a lifetime of ‘oh, Rose and Robert, what are they like, eh?’

Hopefully OP you're reading and taking in important feedback like this about R & R being completely unsuitable people to have sole care of your child.

Safeguarding our children isn't a game that we can ignore when it suits us. You've been very lucky that physically your child hasn't been harmed and it's absolutely right that you've removed them having unsupervised access given the serious suicide attempt. In the light of R's reaction it's even more important that he never gets the opportunity to involve your child in a repetition and his wife cannot be trusted to prevent that.

As your child gets older now's the perfect time to reduce contact to family occasions when other adults are present. No more child care with your Mum supervising them - that's an inappropriate responsibility to place on her.

TheatreTheatre · 14/01/2026 11:55

Is your MIL trustworthy? And will stick to ‘supervised only’?

Are you crossing your fingers and hoping for the best because of so much free childcare from the family?

The situation sounds as if it has been unsafe for a long time. 1-6 pm IS a long time for less than responsible / able people to care for a child. What prevented you from stopping this arrangement sooner, since you had such misgivings?

Advocacy for the safety of your children (physical and emotional) HAS to be a priority over you feeling emotional guilt tripped or afraid to stand up to manipulative relatives.

You are the child’s parents. Do what is best for them, not relatives who treat them as trophies in a power game, of you seeking free childcare.

SameShitDifferentDate · 14/01/2026 11:55

It's amazing what some people will tolerate for a few hours' free childcare.

Ormally · 14/01/2026 11:56

I think it's also worth thinking through why they are so keen to convince you that they are 'medically cleared' to drive, don't have any need of therapy etc, and that 'all that' is supposedly behind them with no consequences. Think through their behaviour and reactions (the situation with the gifts, for example) as well as the words they are saying.

I can't say I could be sure about this, but there is more than a suggestion that they are wanting to use either your child, or you, as a chip to prove they are not the dysfunctional people they are. Hold the line, this is not right.

Marmalade71 · 14/01/2026 11:56

There should be absolutely no unsupervised contact but, even without the drama, I would say that they are too old to be responsible for a child so young. The decline - both physical and mental can be very sudden at that age. But tbh with the added information it’s completely inappropriate.

ShowMeTheSea · 14/01/2026 11:57

Your child's safety is more important than whether they're upset or not..
That's their problem, not yours. There's no way on earth I'd be letting them look after them.
Seriously, you're doing nothing wrong. Massive step back and no childcare.

RedToothBrush · 14/01/2026 11:59

Great grandparents in their mid to late 80s probably are not really who you should rely on childcare for.

Unsupervised contact when they are that age should really be for children who are capable of looking after themselves if necessary. All it takes is a small fall and you've got a very distressed person and an injured person and a very small person. This isn't a good combination.

Add into this concerns over mental health (and capacity) and that's even worse.

Add in not respecting boundaries. It's a hard no.

Honestly, I do see you as part of the problem. They really shouldn't have been doing this in this first place as it's not fair on them. Looking after very young kids is hard.

Nearly50omg · 14/01/2026 11:59

There might have been no concerns about physical harm coming to your child but the MENTAL health of your child is just as if not more important and having contact with these toxic people is the LAST thing I would allow my child to have! Stop your child having any contact with these awful people unless you are there and frankly I think I wouldn’t even allow that!

RedToothBrush · 14/01/2026 12:00

Ormally · 14/01/2026 11:56

I think it's also worth thinking through why they are so keen to convince you that they are 'medically cleared' to drive, don't have any need of therapy etc, and that 'all that' is supposedly behind them with no consequences. Think through their behaviour and reactions (the situation with the gifts, for example) as well as the words they are saying.

I can't say I could be sure about this, but there is more than a suggestion that they are wanting to use either your child, or you, as a chip to prove they are not the dysfunctional people they are. Hold the line, this is not right.

The child is being used to validate their fantasy that they are still capable.

People who are still capable don't do any of this and don't feel the need to demonstrate it in this way.

Saz12 · 14/01/2026 12:01

These are people who are 20 years past retirement age. 5 hours, from 1pm to 6pm, with a preschool age child who they wouldve parented differently to you is just too big an ask.

They clearly don't have a happy relationship. You don't like them. You dont trust them. And now Robert has made a serious attempt at suicide. Maybe theres been longer term MH issues. They may well be hiding feelings from you and DH (grandchild) but thats their prerogative. Obviously you dont now use them for childcare!!!

They must have a great bond with your DS after caring for him weekly, so I dont think it's in anyone's interest to cut them entirely out of DS life. IMO DH is pretty much obliged to visit them weekly with DS after all the childcare they've done, but don't leave DS with them.

I know some people will say they're just toxic arseholes. But they were doing childcare for you despite you having that view of them, so 🤷

LeavesTrees · 14/01/2026 12:01

You already knew they had a toxic relationship and were elderly, but left your DC in their care anyway. The pressures of a young child could have turned the atmosphere in their house into even more of a pressure cooker.

It comes across that you have used them a bit. Used them for free childcare, then when Robert’s life sank so low he wanted to kill himself, you’ve walked away. For someone to want to kill themselves and go to the lengths Robert went to to make that happen he deserves some compassion. But there is zero compassion in your post.

You are right to limit their contact with your child as the child shouldn’t be dragged into something as big as this. But after those years of support with your child care, where is your support for Robert who internally must feel in a very bad place?

EmeraldShamrock000 · 14/01/2026 12:02

Stop facilitating this contact in a fragile toxic environment.
Listen to your gut. You would never forgive yourself if something happened. My views have changed a lot in accommodating people struggling with their mh around children, there is an epidemic of mental health problems that has resulted in children dying, if there is any violent tendencies, stay clear..
Harsh but true.

Endofyear · 14/01/2026 12:03

I think, given your description of the great grandparents, you were foolish to ever allow them to provide childcare for your child - why would you ever think that was appropriate?

This situation isn't complicated - these people aren't suitable to be left in sole charge of a child. You don't allow it, and if they are upset, that's their problem. You first and only responsibility is to your child. I wouldn't engage in any more discussion.

Toddlerteaplease · 14/01/2026 12:04

LadyDanburysHat · 14/01/2026 10:38

YANBU, and honestly quite surprised you both allowed such elderly people to care for your child in the first place. And also let it continue despite knowing they did not stick to your very fair boundaries.

I was wondering the same

bcski · 14/01/2026 12:05

I would have stopped them having unsupervised contact long before the suicide attempt.
Your child shouldn't be exposed to a toxic environment like that. They persisted in doing unsafe things and giving your child junk food even though they had been asked/told several times not to.

They don't get unsupervised contact ever again and if they persist the way they are going I'd be stopping all contact with them.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 14/01/2026 12:05

Do you suspect Robert wanted to die, or wanted to divert the attention and fall out with family member, that was obviously a deep conversation/argument.

FullLondonEye · 14/01/2026 12:07

The suicide attempt is barely a factor here. I would have stopped contact based upon earlier instances of not respecting the boundaries set by you, the child's parents. That alone is enough even without the toxic, volatile relationship, suicide attempts and other generally unhealthy family dynamic issues painted here. These are not the right people to be caring for your child unsupervised, full stop.

FerrisWheelsandLilacs · 14/01/2026 12:07

You shouldn’t be letting these people look after your child, but it’s nothing to do with the suicide attempt.

The fixation on driving is weird too. Of course he’s cleared to drive, he took an overdose - he’s not likely to have a random medical turn while driving that causes him to take a slow overdose which in turn impairs his driving.

I’m also dubious that he took a lot of paracetamol, passed out and is now fine. A paracetamol overdose causes liver failure which is what kills you, you wouldn’t pass out from that. He could have fallen asleep though, if not then woken up by stomach pain and nausea. You’re not getting the full story.

Uhghg · 14/01/2026 12:11

You and your wife seem a little intense - so what if they give your child junk food and let him jump on the sofa.
You can’t control expert aspect of his life and it’s normal for grandparents to spoil their grandchildren a bit.

I also don’t understand why you’re expecting them to give your gifts to extended family members - why can’t you give them their gifts yourselves instead of asking them to do it.

But your boundaries are your boundaries and YANBU to raise your child however you want to.

If you’re not comfortable with unsupervised visits then never let alone make you feel guilty.

I don’t understand why the supervised visits are with your wife’s mother though and I would be annoyed about this too.

Why don’t you invite them round for dinner or go to theirs 1 day a week?