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AIBU for drawing firm lines after my child's great-grandfather tried to kill himself?

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HansTands · 14/01/2026 10:23

TW Suicide

I am sorry about the length of what I am about to write. I need to provide a lot of background information in order to make sense of why my partner and I are in this difficult position.

My partner's grandparents (whom I will refer to as Rose and Robert) are the great-grandparents of my child. They are approximately in their mid to late eighties. Rose and Robert have a very unhealthy, volatile relationship that has existed for a long time. As a result of the toxic relationship dynamics between them, they frequently argue with each other and use manipulative tactics to get what they want from others. Additionally, when confronted regarding their behaviour, they often behave like victims and tend to blame others for their problems. These behaviours have created long standing resentment among the rest of the family members, especially among Rose and Robert's adult children from a previous marriage.

Although Rose and Robert have had a toxic relationship for many years, they have been involved in our child's life. Prior to our child entering preschool, they cared for them on a weekly basis by picking them up from nursery and having them for the rest of the afternoon. Following the start of preschool, Rose and Robert began picking our child up on one day a week, taking him home for dinner and then dropping him off afterward.

Rose and Robert have disregarded our expressed boundaries regarding how our child should be treated for an extended period of time including giving our child too many treats and junk food in spite of our repeated requests to stop even going so far as to downplay or conceal the fact that they did so, frequently lying to our faces about it.
They also permit our child to engage in unsafe behaviour (i.e., jumping on furniture, pulling over Robert) without correcting the behaviour and minimizing the behaviour when confronted.

We have told them to stop multiple times, and despite our attempts, they continue to ignore us, conceal or minimize.

Recently, things came to a head. One of Robert's adult children had a significant family fight with Rose over resentments spanning years which were nothing to do with us. The two were engaged in a heated argument when they arrived at my child's birthday party. Robert was emotionally unresponsive during the entire celebration.

The next day, we were informed that Robert had been rushed to the hospital after attempting to take his own life. He had ingested a large amount of paracetamol, drove to a secluded wooded area that was tied to a significant event in his life, left a "goodbye" message, wrote a note, and passed out in his car. Fortunately, due to the fact that a family member was familiar with the location of the wooded area, Robert was located before it was too late.

While Robert was hospitalised mental health professionals asked him if he would do something like this again, he said "yes", provided the situation does not change, which is a huge concern.
Rose was very disconnected from the events surrounding her husband and redirected all discussions of her husband's condition to her own feelings of discomfort, going so far as to demand to know why no one was considering her feelings.

After the incident, both Rose and Robert have continued to insist that everything is fine and that they are completely able to take care of my child alone. Additionally, Robert has claimed that he is medically cleared to drive.

Due to the nature of the incident and the behaviour of Rose and Robert, my partner and I felt uneasy about returning to unsupervised childcare for my child.

After careful and lengthy discussions between My wife and I, we decided on a middle ground solution of no unsupervised visits to their house for now and no car rides with Robert as the driver. To facilitate supervised visits, my partner's mother (who normally provides our primary childcare support) will be present.

We explained the decision to Rose and Robert in a calm and rational manner. They responded negatively. Rose stated that we were ripping our child away from her. Robert stated that he would refuse to attend supervised visits with my partner's mother.

Emotions were running high, however, we remained firm in our stance and reiterated that these were boundaries, not punishment.

Since then, we have worked to find ways to allow Rose and Robert to maintain contact with our child, by permitting them to spend time with our child at our home while I am working from home.

However, even though Rose and Robert agreed to respect our established boundaries, they consistently try to undermine those boundaries by consistently pushing for unsupervised visits, every single conversation we have, this topic is broached. They're downplaying and minimizing the severity of the suicide attempt and refusing to seek any counselling/therapy claiming that he's "perfectly fine and medically cleared"
They're utilising guilt, emotional pressure, and extended family as leverage to gain control of situations

In addition to the above examples, most recently they refused to forward Christmas gifts to extended family unless our child accompanied the gifts, stating that they would not go to see them unless they can drive our child to them, going so far as to storm.out of our house when we told them we're not putting our child at risk.

We believe we are acting in the best interest of our child (and Robert and Rose to an extent with their ages) to protect them while still providing access to them. Unfortunately, we continue to be made to feel that we are heartless, unreasonable and/or selfish for not returning to unsupervised care of our child.

AIBU for establishing and maintaining these boundaries after a suicide attempt and unsafe behaviour by Robert, and despite the continued emotional pressures to abandon these boundaries from them both.

TL/DR: Grandfather attempts suicide, is unstable, and we establish boundaries of supervised contact and no driving. Grandparents continually try to circumvent boundaries, and make guilt trips to get us to go back to unsupervised care. AIBU for trying to protect our child?

OP posts:
YourWildAmberSloth · 14/01/2026 13:54

YANBU, but you were unreasonable to allow them to look after your child in the first place. I really don't understand why you let a couple with a toxic relationship, who ignored your boundaries, and let your child engage in dangerous behaviour, collect your vulnerable child up from nursery and school and care for them.

Cotton55 · 14/01/2026 13:55

LeavesTrees · 14/01/2026 12:01

You already knew they had a toxic relationship and were elderly, but left your DC in their care anyway. The pressures of a young child could have turned the atmosphere in their house into even more of a pressure cooker.

It comes across that you have used them a bit. Used them for free childcare, then when Robert’s life sank so low he wanted to kill himself, you’ve walked away. For someone to want to kill themselves and go to the lengths Robert went to to make that happen he deserves some compassion. But there is zero compassion in your post.

You are right to limit their contact with your child as the child shouldn’t be dragged into something as big as this. But after those years of support with your child care, where is your support for Robert who internally must feel in a very bad place?

This is a great post.

fatphalange · 14/01/2026 13:55

All issues aside, they are too old to be babysitting. Just have normal family visits and meet up for trips out where they can enjoy a nice cup of tea or dinner or whatever. I’ve never known grandparents insist off alone time with the children unless needed for the odd time babysitting, let alone elderly great grandparents. I’d just ignore all the drama so as not to feed into it, couldn’t be doing with that.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 14/01/2026 13:59

It's time, OP, for ~you~ to become an adult and to break free from undue (great-grand) parental influence.

At the point where you became a father, it became your right to make the best decision for your child, no matter who is pressuring you.

The great grandparents are not fit to look after your child, you know it, and it's time to grow your backbone.

MammaBear1 · 14/01/2026 13:59

I would have stopped unsupervised contact before the suicide attempt die to repeatedly ignoring boundaries and lying about it.

I think I’d give one final warning that this is how it is to be and make it really clear that if they keep pushing there will be no further contact at all.

ClairDeLaLune · 14/01/2026 14:02

Eh? Why on earth were they looking after your child in the first place? From your second main paragraph it’s obvious that that wasn’t a suitable environment for a child. How on earth did you let it go on so long? Pay for proper child care. Stop putting your kid at risk to save money.

Declutteringhopeful · 14/01/2026 14:13

DaisyChain505 · 14/01/2026 10:41

Before the suicide attempt I would have stopped contact or at least unsupervised contact.

This. Meet them for lunch once every couple of months in a pub. Supervise them and your child any problems get in the car and leave. The damage you have already done to yourselves and your child is huge.

The only couple I know who behaved like this very traumatically it came out when he was 90 and in a care home that he was abusing the young children in the family seeing him. Each generation was abused grew up and then thought they had imagined it etc and put children right back in. It was too late (even though police were involved) for convictions. The wife (80) made a big song and drama over great grandchildren visiting unsupervised to the grandfather and him playing with them - for decades he had access to young boys and girls and he abused them. Most grandparents would not object to parents being there. Even if this isn’t sexual abuse or physical abuse he isn’t stable and she is enabling.

LovingLimePeer · 14/01/2026 14:26

I wouldn't expose my children to these people. They sound toxic.

Bollihobs · 14/01/2026 14:28

MO0N · 14/01/2026 12:53

None of the blame lies with Rose and Robert, they are clearly and obviously beyond help, unable to change at their age and completely unsuited to looking after a child.
The parents are the ones at fault here.

Completely agree. The original post presents so many issues as though they're nothing to be concerned about when a myriad of red flags were waving for the rest of us! Batshit.

Bollihobs · 14/01/2026 14:33

LeavesTrees · 14/01/2026 12:01

You already knew they had a toxic relationship and were elderly, but left your DC in their care anyway. The pressures of a young child could have turned the atmosphere in their house into even more of a pressure cooker.

It comes across that you have used them a bit. Used them for free childcare, then when Robert’s life sank so low he wanted to kill himself, you’ve walked away. For someone to want to kill themselves and go to the lengths Robert went to to make that happen he deserves some compassion. But there is zero compassion in your post.

You are right to limit their contact with your child as the child shouldn’t be dragged into something as big as this. But after those years of support with your child care, where is your support for Robert who internally must feel in a very bad place?

Well said. The entitlement level is high, the compassion level is zero.

Aposterhasnoname · 14/01/2026 14:39

My parents are in their 80s, and in perfect health. No way would my DD have them looking after her DCs by themselves and I 100% agree with her. Sorry but they are just way too old.

ThisHazelPombear · 14/01/2026 14:41

You should’ve fucked them off when they stepped over your boundaries they weren’t safe childcare from the start.

Just because they wanted time alone with him doesn’t mean you have to give it. My former mil wanted to have her great grandchild alone but she isn’t safe and is not allowed.

tara66 · 14/01/2026 14:42

OP - I must strongly support general opinion in this thread that you should absolutely stop your child being a) driven by GGF - I mean - Robert is the driver but he is pushing 90 and has tried suicide ??b) allow child alone with GGP. Never mind his and wife's on going weird and toxic relationship -they are actually potentially very dangerous, and you still let your child spends 6 hours alone with them? How has Robert even got a driver's license? Does DVLA know about the suicide attempt and his age? You should report it to them. You need a total rethink of this situation. As other PP suggested - is your child even being abused?

PithyTaupeWriter · 14/01/2026 14:51

No way, they are not safe people for your child to be around. Next thing will be that they will threaten your child's safety to get a reaction out of you.

Delphiniumandlupins · 14/01/2026 15:09

You are unreasonable because you have only taken action after the suicide attempt. As parents, you should have enforced boundaries long ago and not allowed unsupervised access to your child.

VickyEadieofThigh · 14/01/2026 15:30

tara66 · 14/01/2026 14:42

OP - I must strongly support general opinion in this thread that you should absolutely stop your child being a) driven by GGF - I mean - Robert is the driver but he is pushing 90 and has tried suicide ??b) allow child alone with GGP. Never mind his and wife's on going weird and toxic relationship -they are actually potentially very dangerous, and you still let your child spends 6 hours alone with them? How has Robert even got a driver's license? Does DVLA know about the suicide attempt and his age? You should report it to them. You need a total rethink of this situation. As other PP suggested - is your child even being abused?

Edited

Of course DVLA know about his age - they know how old EVERY driver is! And once you get close to 70, they keep in quite close touch and make you re-apply for your licence every 3 years.

A suicide attempt isn't necessarily something that would result in the removal of someone's licence.

flatterlylatterly · 14/01/2026 16:31

This is AI surely, and ten times longer than it needs to be. If there is a real issue, can't you just say what it is?

Aplstrudl · 14/01/2026 16:46

You needed to put boundaries Jon long ago but you certainly need to put them in now. Zero unsupervised visits.

tara66 · 14/01/2026 16:54

VickyEadieofThigh · 14/01/2026 15:30

Of course DVLA know about his age - they know how old EVERY driver is! And once you get close to 70, they keep in quite close touch and make you re-apply for your licence every 3 years.

A suicide attempt isn't necessarily something that would result in the removal of someone's licence.

Well I certainly wouldn't be driven by this man - but it seems you think it's ok for him to drive a young child . Would you then be ok yourself being in his car?! What if he suddenly felt suicidal while driving?

Jupiterthecat · 14/01/2026 17:51

Nosleepforthismum · 14/01/2026 11:24

Honestly OP, you need to look at why you even allowed people in their mid to late 80’s do any kind of regular childcare - and yes, 1-6 is a long time!! You and your partner are entirely to blame here by putting your child at risk to save money on nursery fees. They sound dreadful but you are blaming them when you should be blaming yourselves for frankly being rubbish parents. Honestly, I cannot believe anyone with an ounce of sense would allow great grandparents pushing 90 to be responsible for a toddler - even without all the other issues you’ve mentioned!

I agree with this. Not to mention that they knew about the toxic relationship, the arguing, lack of boundaries and with all this, they STILL used them for childcare.

As parents, you have responsibilities to your children. Whatever made you think that a couple pushing ninety and with all these issues were ever suitable childcare?

VickyEadieofThigh · 14/01/2026 20:27

tara66 · 14/01/2026 16:54

Well I certainly wouldn't be driven by this man - but it seems you think it's ok for him to drive a young child . Would you then be ok yourself being in his car?! What if he suddenly felt suicidal while driving?

You've bizarrely inferred from my matter of fact post something I did not say.

I was merely pointing out that a suicide attempt isn't a de facto reason for the DVLA withdrawing someone's licence. You might be astonished to know that neither is a dementia diagnosis, for example.

My point was that just because you might think it should be, doesn't make it so.

Spookyspaghetti · 14/01/2026 23:42

HansTands · 14/01/2026 11:01

ETA - Alot of people have, quite rightly, commented asking why we let them.look after our child in the first place.

We did as they insisted they were fine to look after him and prior to Roberts attempt on his life, they had no physical issues of concern.

For a while we had been concerned about their ages and didn't use them for childcare as much. The day they looked after him, was on a Thursday from 1-6pm, so not for a prolonged period.

But you already knew they had a long-standing toxic relationship. No way would most people leave their kid with someone they think of as toxic.

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