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AIBU for drawing firm lines after my child's great-grandfather tried to kill himself?

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HansTands · 14/01/2026 10:23

TW Suicide

I am sorry about the length of what I am about to write. I need to provide a lot of background information in order to make sense of why my partner and I are in this difficult position.

My partner's grandparents (whom I will refer to as Rose and Robert) are the great-grandparents of my child. They are approximately in their mid to late eighties. Rose and Robert have a very unhealthy, volatile relationship that has existed for a long time. As a result of the toxic relationship dynamics between them, they frequently argue with each other and use manipulative tactics to get what they want from others. Additionally, when confronted regarding their behaviour, they often behave like victims and tend to blame others for their problems. These behaviours have created long standing resentment among the rest of the family members, especially among Rose and Robert's adult children from a previous marriage.

Although Rose and Robert have had a toxic relationship for many years, they have been involved in our child's life. Prior to our child entering preschool, they cared for them on a weekly basis by picking them up from nursery and having them for the rest of the afternoon. Following the start of preschool, Rose and Robert began picking our child up on one day a week, taking him home for dinner and then dropping him off afterward.

Rose and Robert have disregarded our expressed boundaries regarding how our child should be treated for an extended period of time including giving our child too many treats and junk food in spite of our repeated requests to stop even going so far as to downplay or conceal the fact that they did so, frequently lying to our faces about it.
They also permit our child to engage in unsafe behaviour (i.e., jumping on furniture, pulling over Robert) without correcting the behaviour and minimizing the behaviour when confronted.

We have told them to stop multiple times, and despite our attempts, they continue to ignore us, conceal or minimize.

Recently, things came to a head. One of Robert's adult children had a significant family fight with Rose over resentments spanning years which were nothing to do with us. The two were engaged in a heated argument when they arrived at my child's birthday party. Robert was emotionally unresponsive during the entire celebration.

The next day, we were informed that Robert had been rushed to the hospital after attempting to take his own life. He had ingested a large amount of paracetamol, drove to a secluded wooded area that was tied to a significant event in his life, left a "goodbye" message, wrote a note, and passed out in his car. Fortunately, due to the fact that a family member was familiar with the location of the wooded area, Robert was located before it was too late.

While Robert was hospitalised mental health professionals asked him if he would do something like this again, he said "yes", provided the situation does not change, which is a huge concern.
Rose was very disconnected from the events surrounding her husband and redirected all discussions of her husband's condition to her own feelings of discomfort, going so far as to demand to know why no one was considering her feelings.

After the incident, both Rose and Robert have continued to insist that everything is fine and that they are completely able to take care of my child alone. Additionally, Robert has claimed that he is medically cleared to drive.

Due to the nature of the incident and the behaviour of Rose and Robert, my partner and I felt uneasy about returning to unsupervised childcare for my child.

After careful and lengthy discussions between My wife and I, we decided on a middle ground solution of no unsupervised visits to their house for now and no car rides with Robert as the driver. To facilitate supervised visits, my partner's mother (who normally provides our primary childcare support) will be present.

We explained the decision to Rose and Robert in a calm and rational manner. They responded negatively. Rose stated that we were ripping our child away from her. Robert stated that he would refuse to attend supervised visits with my partner's mother.

Emotions were running high, however, we remained firm in our stance and reiterated that these were boundaries, not punishment.

Since then, we have worked to find ways to allow Rose and Robert to maintain contact with our child, by permitting them to spend time with our child at our home while I am working from home.

However, even though Rose and Robert agreed to respect our established boundaries, they consistently try to undermine those boundaries by consistently pushing for unsupervised visits, every single conversation we have, this topic is broached. They're downplaying and minimizing the severity of the suicide attempt and refusing to seek any counselling/therapy claiming that he's "perfectly fine and medically cleared"
They're utilising guilt, emotional pressure, and extended family as leverage to gain control of situations

In addition to the above examples, most recently they refused to forward Christmas gifts to extended family unless our child accompanied the gifts, stating that they would not go to see them unless they can drive our child to them, going so far as to storm.out of our house when we told them we're not putting our child at risk.

We believe we are acting in the best interest of our child (and Robert and Rose to an extent with their ages) to protect them while still providing access to them. Unfortunately, we continue to be made to feel that we are heartless, unreasonable and/or selfish for not returning to unsupervised care of our child.

AIBU for establishing and maintaining these boundaries after a suicide attempt and unsafe behaviour by Robert, and despite the continued emotional pressures to abandon these boundaries from them both.

TL/DR: Grandfather attempts suicide, is unstable, and we establish boundaries of supervised contact and no driving. Grandparents continually try to circumvent boundaries, and make guilt trips to get us to go back to unsupervised care. AIBU for trying to protect our child?

OP posts:
OneShyQuail · 14/01/2026 12:12

HansTands · 14/01/2026 10:23

TW Suicide

I am sorry about the length of what I am about to write. I need to provide a lot of background information in order to make sense of why my partner and I are in this difficult position.

My partner's grandparents (whom I will refer to as Rose and Robert) are the great-grandparents of my child. They are approximately in their mid to late eighties. Rose and Robert have a very unhealthy, volatile relationship that has existed for a long time. As a result of the toxic relationship dynamics between them, they frequently argue with each other and use manipulative tactics to get what they want from others. Additionally, when confronted regarding their behaviour, they often behave like victims and tend to blame others for their problems. These behaviours have created long standing resentment among the rest of the family members, especially among Rose and Robert's adult children from a previous marriage.

Although Rose and Robert have had a toxic relationship for many years, they have been involved in our child's life. Prior to our child entering preschool, they cared for them on a weekly basis by picking them up from nursery and having them for the rest of the afternoon. Following the start of preschool, Rose and Robert began picking our child up on one day a week, taking him home for dinner and then dropping him off afterward.

Rose and Robert have disregarded our expressed boundaries regarding how our child should be treated for an extended period of time including giving our child too many treats and junk food in spite of our repeated requests to stop even going so far as to downplay or conceal the fact that they did so, frequently lying to our faces about it.
They also permit our child to engage in unsafe behaviour (i.e., jumping on furniture, pulling over Robert) without correcting the behaviour and minimizing the behaviour when confronted.

We have told them to stop multiple times, and despite our attempts, they continue to ignore us, conceal or minimize.

Recently, things came to a head. One of Robert's adult children had a significant family fight with Rose over resentments spanning years which were nothing to do with us. The two were engaged in a heated argument when they arrived at my child's birthday party. Robert was emotionally unresponsive during the entire celebration.

The next day, we were informed that Robert had been rushed to the hospital after attempting to take his own life. He had ingested a large amount of paracetamol, drove to a secluded wooded area that was tied to a significant event in his life, left a "goodbye" message, wrote a note, and passed out in his car. Fortunately, due to the fact that a family member was familiar with the location of the wooded area, Robert was located before it was too late.

While Robert was hospitalised mental health professionals asked him if he would do something like this again, he said "yes", provided the situation does not change, which is a huge concern.
Rose was very disconnected from the events surrounding her husband and redirected all discussions of her husband's condition to her own feelings of discomfort, going so far as to demand to know why no one was considering her feelings.

After the incident, both Rose and Robert have continued to insist that everything is fine and that they are completely able to take care of my child alone. Additionally, Robert has claimed that he is medically cleared to drive.

Due to the nature of the incident and the behaviour of Rose and Robert, my partner and I felt uneasy about returning to unsupervised childcare for my child.

After careful and lengthy discussions between My wife and I, we decided on a middle ground solution of no unsupervised visits to their house for now and no car rides with Robert as the driver. To facilitate supervised visits, my partner's mother (who normally provides our primary childcare support) will be present.

We explained the decision to Rose and Robert in a calm and rational manner. They responded negatively. Rose stated that we were ripping our child away from her. Robert stated that he would refuse to attend supervised visits with my partner's mother.

Emotions were running high, however, we remained firm in our stance and reiterated that these were boundaries, not punishment.

Since then, we have worked to find ways to allow Rose and Robert to maintain contact with our child, by permitting them to spend time with our child at our home while I am working from home.

However, even though Rose and Robert agreed to respect our established boundaries, they consistently try to undermine those boundaries by consistently pushing for unsupervised visits, every single conversation we have, this topic is broached. They're downplaying and minimizing the severity of the suicide attempt and refusing to seek any counselling/therapy claiming that he's "perfectly fine and medically cleared"
They're utilising guilt, emotional pressure, and extended family as leverage to gain control of situations

In addition to the above examples, most recently they refused to forward Christmas gifts to extended family unless our child accompanied the gifts, stating that they would not go to see them unless they can drive our child to them, going so far as to storm.out of our house when we told them we're not putting our child at risk.

We believe we are acting in the best interest of our child (and Robert and Rose to an extent with their ages) to protect them while still providing access to them. Unfortunately, we continue to be made to feel that we are heartless, unreasonable and/or selfish for not returning to unsupervised care of our child.

AIBU for establishing and maintaining these boundaries after a suicide attempt and unsafe behaviour by Robert, and despite the continued emotional pressures to abandon these boundaries from them both.

TL/DR: Grandfather attempts suicide, is unstable, and we establish boundaries of supervised contact and no driving. Grandparents continually try to circumvent boundaries, and make guilt trips to get us to go back to unsupervised care. AIBU for trying to protect our child?

You lost me at the point you said they disregarded your boundaries when caring for child. Id be out at that point. I also would not have been happy leaving my child in a toxic environment with people who are in a toxic relationship. Sorry to be harsh but sounds like it was convenient and you went with it.
Dont even understand why you need opinions from strangers off the Internet on this

HappyFace2025 · 14/01/2026 12:12

You have been unreasonable to allow them to care for your child for so long, knowing that their behaviour is so very wrong.

Lurkingandlearning · 14/01/2026 12:12

HansTands · 14/01/2026 11:01

ETA - Alot of people have, quite rightly, commented asking why we let them.look after our child in the first place.

We did as they insisted they were fine to look after him and prior to Roberts attempt on his life, they had no physical issues of concern.

For a while we had been concerned about their ages and didn't use them for childcare as much. The day they looked after him, was on a Thursday from 1-6pm, so not for a prolonged period.

Their toxic relationship should have been the thing that prevented them from providing childcare. The suicide attempt was secondary to that and had it been successful would have been nowhere near your child.

Don’t knowingly send your child into toxic environments

MatildaTheCat · 14/01/2026 12:15

From 1-6 at the age of these people is a prolonged period.

The whole situation sounds insane but it’s a no brainer. Hold firm and offer supervised contact and nothing else.

VickyEadieofThigh · 14/01/2026 12:15

LadyDanburysHat · 14/01/2026 10:38

YANBU, and honestly quite surprised you both allowed such elderly people to care for your child in the first place. And also let it continue despite knowing they did not stick to your very fair boundaries.

This. You're complaining about things you have known about for a long time and yet (because it's convenient and free) have continued to use them for childcare.

Uhghg · 14/01/2026 12:16

WhatNoRaisins · 14/01/2026 11:37

Agree with PP wondering what you were thinking using people in their 80s for childcare for a toddler. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but I can't help wonder what else you are making an error of judgement on.

I agree and I wonder how much they rely on the wife’s mum for childcare too, considering they wanted her to facilitate the supervised visits.

Its funny how when they’re allowed to visit the child in their home it’s only when DH is WFH.

Why not have them visit when neither parent is working so that they can properly supervise their own child.

Its purely about getting free childcare.

MeTooOverHere · 14/01/2026 12:21

You are not doing ENOUGH to protect your child.

Fuck them, they aren't mature enough to be in charge of a little one.

Marmaladelover · 14/01/2026 12:23

I am really struggling to see why they were involved in your child’s life long before the suicide attempt tbh.

How does your partner feel about the boundaries now in place ?

Freeme31 · 14/01/2026 12:24

No just hold firm your acting in best interest of your child

TheatreTheatre · 14/01/2026 12:27

Grandparents doing a little 'spoiling' is not an issue - a few extra sweets here and there, an ice cream while out, etc. It takes a village, and all that.

But these two seem to have deliberately crossed boundaries as a power play.

canklesmctacotits · 14/01/2026 12:30

All of this long and convoluted story boils down to you not wanting to find and pay for childcare. Who on EARTH thinks a couple in their mid- to late 80s, who lie to the child’s parents, are suitable candidates for childcare?

Just take responsibility for yourselves and your son fgs. All the rest is irrelevant. God.

Anyahyacinth · 14/01/2026 12:40

LadyDanburysHat · 14/01/2026 10:38

YANBU, and honestly quite surprised you both allowed such elderly people to care for your child in the first place. And also let it continue despite knowing they did not stick to your very fair boundaries.

This ...with such high expectations of very elderly and troubled people...I'd feel used if I were them. Coping with their upset about necessary boundaries seems a reasonable balance for what went on before

MO0N · 14/01/2026 12:50

What on earth possessed you to allow these two elderly nutters to look after your child in the first place?!

ByWarmShark · 14/01/2026 12:51

You shouldn't leave unstable people in their 80s to babysit your child but you don't need to call them supervised visits - just make sure they're never left alone with your child and there is always another responsible adult around to supervise. No need to formally announce it - lots of us do this with elderly parents - just treat them like you would a family member who was 11, fine to be around your kids, not fine to be left in charge of your kids, no matter what they might think - but no need to hurt their feelings either.

Fends · 14/01/2026 12:51

Stop relying on everyone and anyone for free childcare even when they’re clearly unsuitable! As for forwarding presents, why should they? If you’re that close as to send gifts then post them yourself.

All this drama with “supervised visits”. No wonder they’re fucking offended 😅. Just say, we don’t need you to have Billy on Thursday anymore cause he’s going for the full day now he’s a bit older. Then pop over and see them on the occasional Sunday or whatever. No need for all the angst and emotional dramatics

MO0N · 14/01/2026 12:53

None of the blame lies with Rose and Robert, they are clearly and obviously beyond help, unable to change at their age and completely unsuited to looking after a child.
The parents are the ones at fault here.

AlohaRose · 14/01/2026 12:57

I feel you rather muddied the waters on this by using a very elderly couple to provide childcare for you when you were already unhappy about the care, your child’s safety in their company, what they were feeding your child etc. I have no idea why you thought this was appropriate or necessary – it feels very much that they were useful to you at the time and you overlooked a lot of unsuitable behaviours.

Right now, I have no idea why you are entertaining any of this emotional blackmail about Christmas presents and being denied access to your child. The situation was not suitable before and now that you have a potentially suicidal and unstable elderly man in the mix it is a complete nonstarter. Stop laying down the law about supervised visits, if you still want your child to see these people at any point then why don’t you accompany them? Presumably you are not working and unavailable seven days a week. Occasional visits would be very much the norm for most great grandchildren in their position.

Maray1967 · 14/01/2026 12:58

LadyDanburysHat · 14/01/2026 10:38

YANBU, and honestly quite surprised you both allowed such elderly people to care for your child in the first place. And also let it continue despite knowing they did not stick to your very fair boundaries.

This! You should have stopped the childcare long before this incident.

Now, you need to push back hard against the manipulative behaviour. End phone calls, send short, firm texts etc.

Find your parental authority and don’t be afraid to assert it.

Anyone who thinks an elderly man who has just tried to take his own life is safe to look after children is a lunatic. It is as simple as that.

pinkdelight · 14/01/2026 12:59

I think it's unnerving how much they're pushing for unsupervised access when they're getting to see the DC so it's not like you've stopped all contact. Makes me worry about what want to do so badly without you being there. It's weird and I'd on no account go back to unsupervised - and wouldn't have let them in the first place. The fact that you gave into them pushing for it in the first place probably makes them think that you'll give way again. You need to be much firmer - this is your DC and you're the parents. R&R's wishes aren't the priority, regardless of this latest situation.

SparklyGlitterballs · 14/01/2026 12:59

I would have stopped unsupervised visits when they disrespected your boundaries around food and behaviour. I'd definitely not allow it after the suicide attempt. My own mother is late 80s and no way I'd allow someone of that age to be looking after a lively toddler. They may be healthy, but their responses just aren't as quick and they usually lack strength.

If they don't let up about the unsupervised visits then cut them out completely.

LemaxObsessive · 14/01/2026 13:03

Why have you written this like a solicitors’ letter? The tone of this ‘letter’ makes it sound like you’re looking for issues.
Regardless, whilst I absolutely do not condone anything they’ve done, none of it, I think banning them from (unsupervised) visits because he attempted suicide is absolutely appalling behaviour and says more about you and your ignorant attitude towards mental health than it does them and their behaviour.
Did he attempt suicide whilst in charge of your kids? If no then why is his suicide attempt whilst NOT in charge of your kids, matter one iota?!
I attempted suicide 3 times when I had post natal depression! None of those times was I with my DC! I reported MYSELF to social services and they simply asked if I was with my child when it happened and when I told them no, they weren’t interested! They said “We wouldn’t consider that a danger or to be neglect of any kind” 🤷🏼‍♀️

Whilst post natal depression obviously doesn’t apply to men, depression does and it does not make someone unsafe to be around ffs. Absolutely disgraceful attitude.
Like I said, everything else is another matter and you’d not be unreasonable to restrict visits for those reasons, however your title CLEARLY states that the suicide attempt is the main reason and that’s disgusting. If you’d posted giving just that as a reason to block visits with a grandparent/great grandparent, you’d quite rightly be handed your backside

MammaTo · 14/01/2026 13:04

Suicide attempt aside, I can’t understand why you’d let them look after you children if they are so volatile as you’ve described.

Honestly, I think you’re paying too much attention to them and their demands, because surely it’s common sense to not let them around the kids unsupervised. Their opinions don’t really matter in this scenario. I wouldn’t be engaging in any more conversations with them.

Cheese55 · 14/01/2026 13:05

Their age and suicide attempt are red herrings. They don't like each other and make that clear to anyone who will listen, so why do you want your child involved in that? Also, do you like the drama they create a little bit? Just because they ask to do childcare, doesn't mean they can. The parents decide that

Orangecow · 14/01/2026 13:07

I’m surprised a couple in their late 80s have the energy for all this! TBH I wouldn’t want someone so old regularly babysitting unsupervised anyway. Volatile relationship aside they could fall and hurt themselves and be incapable of watching your child

trappedCatAsleepOnMe · 14/01/2026 13:09

I'd have been reluctant to leave a young child with such old family members in first place - because kids are demanding and people do age and frankly 1-6 is a long time.

However then when they crossed boundaries again and again - I'd have moved then to supervised only visits and just done that not announced it or brought in other family members to supervise - till that changed - it something we had to do not easy but very much needed.

I think you've been underreacting for a while - and yes sticking to your guns now is best for the child who should always be put first.