Should the US become involved in helping protesters in Iran?

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The situation is awful there now. Should the US become involved?

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Well that would be quite the dilemma for the flag wavers. They've only just swapped from support for a evil regime to being against one. If Trump takes action in Iran they're going to self destruct they won't know what to do.

I hope there would be a referendum on this. I read an article in the Indy that was saying that there may be concerns about a democratic Republic of Iran among the absolute Monarchies of the ME, so they may prefer the Ayatollahs to remain ( because the absolute Monarchies look good compared to them but wouldn't compared to a free democratic state). So basically to get buy in from the other countries in the ME it may be better if Pahlavi came back, but yes, there is a good chance that he will be bloody awful as well. In many countries where they have deposed a Monarch there is a romanticised view of what they were like, decades later and why they were deposed in the first place.

No, we should keep out of it. The people of Iran brought this evil regime into poser back in the 1970s. They should deal with it themselves.

Yes but the reason they deposed the Shah was because he was a pretty brutal autocratic Monarch, being propped up by the British and the US in the first place. Yes, they supported the Ayatollahs who were also naively supported by the Left in Iran and abroad, who then murdered them, leaving a purely ultra religious proto fascist regime in its place. I can't imagine what those academics and students wanted when they deposed a brutal authoritarian regime was a brutal religious fundamentalist authoritarian regime. But even if they did, that was 50 years ago.

Trump has just imposed a 25% tariff on goods from countries with commercial ties to Iran “effective immediately”.

The countries this will affect include China, the UAE, India & Turkey.

Why is the USA the one who may go in ? Why can't Egypt, Pakistan ,Saudi etc ? Ie some countries from the actual region ? Do they care what's happening don't they want to help ??

@Friendlygingercat and did they know what they were getting? I heard one lady tonight on the radio saying ,we were promised safety and allowed to keep our doors open, they came in and turned the whole country into a prison (paraphrasing )..

Ultra religious proto fascist regime I've never heard this before

Yes, but with caution. This requires diplomacy, not just bombs. There are also complicated relationships between world powers here, so no easy clear plan of attack. That said, the regime needs to go. I also wish that the people going on about Gaza had something to say about this. They won't, of course. Just as they have nothing to say about the women of Afghanistan or any other oppressive situation that they can't blame on Israel.

The left wing don't care about Iran. Only Gaza.

I notice in his " truth" he did not state "in addition to existing tariffs". So if your nation is on 40% for example, it appears that dealing with IRAN will actually see your tariffs drop.

And in any case, it is the importer that pays anyway.

Proto-fascism refers to the ideologies, movements, or figures that directly influenced or preceded the development of fascism, often sharing core traits like extreme nationalism, authoritarianism, militarism, anti-liberalism, and an "us vs. them" mentality, even if not fully formed as "fascist". It describes political forces that make fascism more likely by laying ideological groundwork, using paramilitary tactics, or exhibiting early forms of fascist thinking before fascism as a coherent ideology emerged, like in early nativist groups or radical nationalists
From AI. It always surprises me when the Hard Left allies with Islamists because apart from being Brown they are exactly this.

Iran are already in a proxy war in those countries through their funding of terrorism throughout the region. But yes, rich Arab countries should be doing more to promote stability in the region. Problem is they also hate each other. Its quite difficult to work out who hates who more. It is suspected that Iran provoked October 7th because Saudi were negotiating better relations with Israel so they wanted Israel to attack. If the Iranian regime falls many terrorist groups fighting in Lebanon and Egypt will lose their funding. We are busy cosying up to Qatar but who knows what they are doing. India is also wanting to make friends in the West but is also cosying up to Russia and Iran because they have issues with China and Pakistan so possibly pressure could be put on countries like India, Qatar and UAE to help out a bit with peace in their own region. The whole thing is a binfire.

It may be in addition to the existing tariffs, I don’t think we know at this stage.

I’m no expert on the implications of high tariffs. But I believe they affect both countries economically- the US & the countries that are hit with high tariffs. Obviously Trump sees it as a punishment.

This is possibly one of the most incorrect posts on here. For a start, there are no Iranian/Shia terrorist groups in Egypt or the Gulf states. Yes, they are influential in Yemen and Lebanon. I would also say that despite our MSM saying that Iran is highly active in Iraq, what they don't say, is that Iraq is by far a majority Shia country and the Baathist regime under Sadam Hussein treated them worse than the theocracy in Iran is treating its own citizens.

Trumps been saying they’ll go in if the regime kills protesters- they’re killing hundreds of kids and young people and now Trumps changed his mind?? He’s got a duty to do what he said- he will have encouraged those protestors to think things are about to change, he’s got our back let’s go to the streets - he can’t abandon them now. The regime will be massively emboldened if he doesn’t go in and Trump will have made things infinitely worse.
Their blood is on his hands if he turns his back having prompted these protests - imagine the backlash from Iranians - and other supporters of the protesters. He’s got to do something now he’s started this.

@Userxyd he took out their nuclear stuff so I think they know he is serious look at Venezuela.

He said behind the scene they are desperate and negotiating. At the end of the day isn't this their business ?
The people in France and other revolutions had to do it themselves.

Apparnkty.aa usual many countries in the region would love Iran. To fall but they do nothing.usa can't win.

They were criticism for not helping the kurds when Sadam gassed them then when they did go in they were criistdedmn

They will be vilified either way. And sometimes over and above the actual regime violent regime oppressing the protestors.

Really? the problems in Iran, Iraq, Libya & Gaza/West Bank are at least in part and sometime all as a result of right wing political & military interference.

You don't know your history.

Those calling for military action in Iran? what exactly? Trumps last strikes didn't even remove the Nuclear threat, the facilities are deep under ground, all he did was slow the process down.

Trump seems to think that a missile strike here or there will solve the worlds problems....

I don't know what the solutions are, ATM its probably unsolvable, its a huge country of 90m people, one of the worlds oldest countries, the West getting involved will lead to far more bloodshed & not solve anything, Iran's leaders know there is no way out, so will fight to the death.

Yeah because regime change in the Middle East always goes swimmingly when the US gets involved.
Revolution needs to come from the Iranian people. Not outside forces.

Isn't the Muslim Brotherhood an offshoot of Hamas? I didn't mention Iraq.

Well the revolution appears to have been defeated again. Trump threatened a lot, but did nothing to help them.

Which of the other big powers, and their lovely leaders, would you choose to cosy up with?

The big issue is that if these protests don’t work (and it’s likely they won’t without help) that’s the the Iranian people screwed for years to come..

speaking to an Iranian friend who is terrified for her sister there she’d wish the US or any other govt would help inspite of motives. It’s tearing families apart. The parents don’t want her to protest as they are scared but they want radical change. The daughter wants to be part of radical change and this is common across the board.

so many people have died and disappeared. If this doesn’t work and the regime regains their grip a lot more people will disappear.

no idea of the answer but people are desperate.

Who should help @DeftGoldHedgehog?