To wonder if past trauma was a factor in the Renee Nicole Good murder and that, while not absolving agent, it shows ICE should select agents more carefully?

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Reading this from the BBC, I wonder if the agent was suffering from previous trauma. They had earlier been in the Iraq War and then had huge number of stitches after being dragged by a car while arresting apparently a 'child sex offender' illicit migrant last March.

Thus I wonder if, because Renee Good clipped them with the car earlier(as The Times indicates), shooting at her car as she drove past was less a rational decision borne from evil and more an instinctive reaction from recent trauma with cars on the job?

This is NOT an excuse. But I wonder if it also shows that ICE are selecting traumatised agents who are too dangerous, due to this, to be in that position?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

I said "lock him up or something". You can do that to citizens too, you know.

You have forgotten the many crimes Trump has committed? Would you like a list?

• He falsified business records.
• He is a rapist. Of minors.
• He incited an insurrection.
• He tried to pressure state officials in Georgia to overturn the election.
• He hoarded classified documents at Mar-a-Lago after being kicked out of office and refused to hand them over.

And those are just the ones we know about. I don't know enough about US law to determine if the rampant corruption, insider trading and Qatari bribes should be included. There are also allegations that Trump was a witness to the murder and disposal of an infant in Lake Michigan.

Anyway, if he's so opposed to criminals then why did he pardon:

• 1,500 violent insurrectionists?
• Juan Orlando Hernández - who was behind the smuggling of 400 tonnes of cocaine into the US?
• Changpeng Zhao - whose crypto scheme enabled terrorists, cybercriminals and child abusers?
• Ross Ulbricht - who facilitated the sale of $214m in illegal drugs?
• Rod Blagojevich - the corrupt former Illinois Governor?
• Devon Archer - a fraudster?
• The BitMEX founders (another crypto scheme enabling crime)?
• Michele Fiore - a former Las Vegas city council member who embezzled a load of money?
• George Santos - former congressmember and fraudster?

My above post has been hidden for mentioning digital encrypted currencies in the context of listing the many criminals Trump has pardoned.

I did yesterday, in the other thread. Now you are into bad faith debate territory for sure.

He did step in front of her vehicle.

Or was he standing in that road when it was empty and she drove her car into that spot and stop where he was standing?

The problem is that you’re a brainwashed MAGA trump supporter and you won’t listen to anything anyone says to you, even when it is given to you in black and white to see and read for yourself.

You don’t do yourself any favours when you set yourself into an opinion and refuse to educate yourself, or adjust that when given new information.

Minnesota never voted for this. What happened to "States Rights"?

There was a serious risk of threat to him, in which case he was entitled to use deadly force. Whether he was standing in front of her car or not. She drove at him.

That’s not the case. Try reading the thread and the Supreme Court ruling that just came out.

I’m a Woman and I would have shot her in the head too.
Everyone, absolutely everyone, knows you don’t play stupid games with US law enforcement.

Look what the ICE thugs did to this United States Marines Veteran
x.com/EdKrassen/status/20106895959947553

But this is why they get away with it, because so many people take the attitude of, "Oh, well, law enforcement is known for its brutality and trigger-happy officers, so the victim should have known better," instead of demanding accountability.

What a load of rubbish.

Wow, people will try anything to excuse a misogynistic murderer, eh.

Could you just link it? I don’t want to trawl through those threads again but want to see the details.

This is the inevitable result of Vance et al telling ICE that laws don't apply to them.

The other 3 threads about this tragic death caused by a woman acting in a way perceived to be a threat you mean?

You think the nazis, who rounded up residents living legally and murdered them in huge numbers is 'the same' as immigration and enforcement officers removing those in the US illegally? How on earth can you make this false equivalence. Maybe criminals should be just left alone to do as they please, would you like that?

View the video from the back side and you can see when she backed up, it put JR in front.

Again, even that detail doesn’t mean he forfeits any claim to self defense.

It doesn’t actually supersede the prior standard though.

Immigration is federal jurisdiction.

It's amazing how many people are prepared to admit that they are violent pieces of shit.

ICE has been rounding up residents living legally in the US. On the very same day that Renee Good was murdered by Jonathan Ross they abducted two teenage US citizens whose only crime was to have Latin heritage while working at Target. People have died in ICE custody. The conditions in their detention centres amount to torture.

Out of interest, why the head?

Jesse Welles has a great song called Join ICE. It really narrows down who the emasculated miserable men joining ICE are. Their motivations are pretty simple- they’re willing to accept thousands of pounds to terrorise and potentially kill others so, in other words, not nice people.

they abducted two teenage US citizens whose only crime was to have Latin heritage while working at Target

What was their immigration status?

Are you saying that him making the choice to stand in front of a vehicle is not putting himself in a position of danger?

The US Supreme Court says otherwise.

US citizens… can you not read?