Ice agent shoots a woman in the face part 3

[Moontan]

Donald Trump has now said its okay to murder a woman. Because they are doing it for people's 'safety'

It is interesting how far humans will let themselves be abused by bad people.

I was watching a documentary about jonestown the cult.

Some people left the cult

They said that the leader beat people, raped people, starved people. He made them do physical labour for many hours a day. He demanded that they give him all of their money.

And yet still hundreds of people followed him.

People seem to keep supporting a person and staying there. Rather than saying "maybe i was wrong and this guy is actually a bad person"

Or, some people are well trained and react quickly to an escalating situation.

@1dayatatime It’s right there in the recording. He shot her, then said “fucking bitch”. They’re not the words of someone in control.

He lost control. Male rage. It’s pretty common. I think the poster just a couple back saying he treated her as a suspected insurgent is being too charitable. He lost his temper.

People keep coming back to this “she did a stupid thing”. They make a good point. Armed officers should be able to control themselves when someone bruises their ego.

Some people. Yes. Not him.

She had turned her car around and was driving away. She was executed for being on the street while ICE were carrying out their usual illegal activities.
The take-away is: draw your curtains and don't watch the ICE/Trump activities. Same as in Germany in the 1930s.

Not being ridiculous. Your “common sense,” is another person’s not taking things far enough and, before you know it, women are for reproduction and childcare and men for everything else. As for your dog example, there is something badly wrong with the view that all men are like a particularly violent breed of dog. Funny how there are multiple dog breeds, but human males are all uniformly dangerous, like XL Bullies.

Just to clarify on this in case no one else has, having been reading up on it:

'I am reading that the ICE officer has a conviction for sexually abusing his stepchild so…you know…as usual with violent gun nuts, he was an abuser of women.'

The ICE agent does not have a conviction for abusing anyone. Apparently in June, he was dragged 50 yards or so by a car, causing injuries requiring 33 stitches, in the apprehension of a man who was being deported after sexually abusing his stepdaughter.

So he shouldn’t have been back at work and using a firearm.

I wouldn't go to the US now if someone offered me a 5-star, all expenses paid holiday with a chauffer-driven limo at my disposal. It'd feel as wrong as holidaying in South Africa under apartheid.

I wonder how feasible it would be to boycott US companies and products?

I read responses like this and wonder what proportion of MAGA is made up of people with sociopathy or other personality disorders.

ICE, by the way, is not the correct body to investigate fraud.

Well, Ringo has staying power. I’ll give him that.

You don’t get to block law enforcement just because you disapprove of what the rest of us voted for. If she had waved signs at a federal building then fine, whatever. This is very different, meant to subvert democratic processes tbh

I suppose your opinion on his training hinges on your opinion of his intentions. I personally believe he intended to inflame the situation, at the very least, and fairly quickly decided to kill her, not shoot her, not stop the threat or protect himself, but kill her.

With that in mind, his training served him well; he achieved his goal with relative ease and a complete lack of conscience.

His suitability as an armed law enforcement agent is a different matter, and both sides appear to believe he was not suitable. Someone with PTSD, who is "stressed" by confrontation and vehicles, which seems to be the defense people are putting forward the most to defend his attitude before and after the killing, is not suitable to serve as armed law enforcement. I would hope that is something we could all agree on.

I usually lean away from conspiracy theories, but I can't help wondering whether this was planned, not planned as in they discussed killing her, and all agreed beforehand to take that action, but planned as in they've previously practiced intimidating suspects and aggressively maneuvering themselves in front of vehicles in order to explain away any violence on their part. It is not the first time ICE has fired at moving vehicles counter to what their training should be and what the law definitely is, and sadly, I doubt it will be the last time.

Except studies show that not only are men more likely to abuse children, but women are just as good as, if not better than men at many jobs. For example, female surgeons are superior to male surgeons, and women are more effective in leadership roles than men.

So based on the common sense evidence, while men shouldn't be involved in the care of young children, women should be employed across practically all spheres of the workforce, because they're as good as men, or better. Sorry, but women are both lower risk, and just as skilled!

And again, you're showing your inability to reason: just because XL Bullies are 5% of the population but make up 60% of fatal attacks in my example, doesn't mean that all XL Bullies are dangerous on an individual level. What it does mean is that on a demographic level, XL Bullies, much like men, pose a higher statistical risk.

Ultimately, you cannot deny the facts: men carry, across every metric, a proportionately far higher risk of violence and abuse than women do. And you know what? Decent men will understand that their fellows have ruined it for them, and not insist on inserting themselves into areas where their demographic introduces a much higher risk.

Definitely not, if he was still suffering trauma that triggered his behaviour. Of course, maybe he was just a trigger-happy arsehole, who knows.

I wasn't defending him or his behaviour, just clarifying that he has not been convicted of sexual abuse.

'while ICE were carrying out their usual illegal activities'

What are you suggesting is 'illegal' about immigration and customs enforcement?!

He honestly was quite calm and professional when doing the walkaround despite her wife getting in his face and trying to provoke.

She hit him with a car. That’s when he got angry. He was calm when her wife got in his face trying to start shit

They are, allegedly anyway, trained to not shoot at moving cars. In large part because it's more likely to create a threat than 'neutralise' it.

Men are more dangerous than women. Everywhere on this planet. And it’s not close. Like it’s not even a debate

'Usual illegal activities'?? ICE are employed by the government to remove illegal immigrants. Nothing illegal in that.

So calm he switched his phone to his non dominant hand so he could take out his gun when the car was backing away.

You think he lost his temper after he shot her?

yeah I want to hear their ‘reasoning’ here

He, or the other ICE agent - it's not completely clear who's speaking - didn't call her a 'stupid' bitch. They called her a 'fucking' bitch. Immediately after she was murdered, with her brains splattered all over the car. So it had nothing to do with her judgment or lack thereof.

How do you defend that?

Even if that was true, you do not get to act out of anger as a law enforcement official. You are, rightly, held to a higher standard than that. Shooting a civilian because you were angry is, at the very least, manslaughter, if not murder. The reason for your anger is irrelevant.

But yes, I agree he was very calm when walking around the car, chillingly so given what happened a few seconds later. Professional? No. A professional would have ignored the protestors, driven past as the first car did, and carried on with their planned duties.