Ice agent shoots woman in the face (pt 2)

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Renee Good. Proof the you can shoot someone and get away with it in Trump’s America.

She DID do as instructed, and moved her vehicle.

Could've also been avoided if the ICE agent followed SOPs that literally every other law enforcement agency in the world manage to follow too, but then that would require actually training the Proud Boy Gestapo and holding them to some sort of standards.

There was an example upthread. Somebody whose brother was an illegal alien and couldn’t speak English …. that was one of those 50. You can understand why that happened

Actually what matters is whether the ICE agent can demonstrate that he genuinely thought his life and that of his colleagues was in danger or not from the vehicle. Whether she was armed or not is irrelevant- the weapon is the vehicle.

It does matter that she chose to ignore the instruction to get out of the vehicle, because if she had then this tragedy could have been avoided.

She was driving straight at him.

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Oh my god, think about the words you are using. You've turned the constitutional right to peaceful protest into a "political stunt" and said anyone who participates in such a "stunt" deserves to be harmed or die. Where is the legal system in any of your arguments? Where is your rebuttal about many of our replies to you regarding the EXCESSIVE USE OF FORCE

so I don’t think many actually thought the lady who died on January 6 deserved it. But it was the consequence of her action of trespassing no? The officer there was never charged either

You keep victim blaming by repeating "if she had chosen to get out the vehicle". She was being shouted at by multiple agents who were deliberately creating a situation where violence was the desired outcome. She was given conflicting instructions by agents. ICE is entirely to blame for this situation, and this woman's murder.

That said when approached by armed officers telling the driver to get out of the vehicle, trying to open the car door and trying to reach in through the open window, then the driver made the wrong decision in trying to drive off and this tragic incident could have been avoided if she simply did as instructed.

Bullshit. Her being murdered had nothing to do with her actions. Her murderer chose to pull out his gun. Her murderer chose to ignore all policing standards and her murderer chose to fire 3 shots aimed to kill.

You do not get to blame the victim for his violent choices.

Is it because you have no answer that you decline to answer any questions asking you to justify your position from a legal standpoint?

Illegal Alien 😂 .I’m sure many natives and native Hawaiians think of Americans as the same.

I hope ICE “accidentally” detain you, I’m sure you’ll be understanding if they do.

Not being able to speak English is not a valid reason to be detained. Will they start detaining German/French/Moroccan people ok holiday if they are not speaking English?

You can’t just pluck people off the streets because they speak another language. USA’s “own” language is English…. which is technically a foreign language.

The first bit matters; the second bit does not. The punishment for not complying with law enforcement is not, and never has been, public execution without a trial.

As to the first bit, the claim of self-defense is not supported by any of the evidence currently available, nor do any of the legal experts who have commented on the case believe it to be the case.

There is zero chance of convincing anyone who has eyes that those two shots fired into the side window were self-defense.

The shots from the side window aren't a great look for that officer thug
They don't scream self-defence, do they. They scream "I'm going to get that lefty woman and kill her because I want to and I can".

I’m not entering into an argument with anyone as I’m extremely ill and probably won’t be back to this thread. But I wanted to update the thread that they’ve done it again in Portland: ICE has shot two people and claimed it was self-defense. I’m not sure how shooting the driver twice and the passenger in the chest is self-defense but…

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/08/portland-federal-agents-shooting

America is dead. Long live America.

Does anyone remember the Windrush scandal - detained and ‘returned’ to countries they had never even been to because ‘paperwork’ wasn’t clear.
Would some folk be ok with that happening again then - not so many years back the U.K. was appalled by this. What has happened to us?
I don’t know the US immigration system except to be born there gives birthright citizenship (currently at least) which appears to be being ignored at times. There surely is no law that says ‘also must have good English’? Though it may be on some entry visa requirements, I don’t know.
How are the illegal immigrants being identified? I’d have thought via work place raids, checking visa systems for expired visas etc? But actually just assuming or guessing is it? And that’s ok?
I’m not surprised there are protests about this - I am surprised people think it’s ok to kill the same and have not one tiny issue with how immigration officers are working.
It won’t stop with illegal immigrants - well it already hasn’t - when it’s your turn to be out of favour because someone ‘guessed’ or ‘imagined’ you were doing something wrong, or maybe you just spoke out of MAGA turn (which is Gard to keep abreast of anyway) - then don’t be surprised when your beloved MAGAs agree it was fine to shoot you 3x in the head in the street.

OK - murder is the premeditated killing of a person . Is it your belief that the ICE officers intentionally set out with premeditation to kill this woman. And if so for what motive?

I am not victim blaming but part of the background to this tragedy is that she was instructed twice on the video clip to get out of the car but chose to instead drive off. Of course that in itself doesn't justify the shooting but it in part explains why it happened. For what it's worth I have seen no evidence on video of her being instructed to do anything other than get out of the car.

Other factors include the ICE agents being armed, that an officer was stood in front of the vehicle and whether he can prove to an investigation that he believed that his life or his colleagues was in danger.

And if that is the case then the investigation will recommend that he is prosecuted for unlawful killing.

Apparently the DHS are claiming the two people who were shot were part of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua...

I was listening to Radio 4 More or less today. They were talking about the UK Indefinite Leave to Remain visas. (I have one of these as I am a migrant - even a legal one). The expert was asked how many people in the UK are on IDLR visas and she said that no-one knows because those records have not been reliably kept and there simply isn't the paperwork.

I mean... really.

Anyone who trusts government departments to know what they are doing 100% of the time with no deviations clearly has never come into contact with any government department- and I have no doubt that's the case with the US as well- as has been evidenced on this thread about perfectly law-abiding citizens of the USA being dragged off the streets and detained unlawfully. (With a side order of weirdos apparently cheering them on).

Exactly.

You'll of course be called a maga troll/RIGHT WING NAZI/spotty keyboard warrior/bot/etc etc zzzz...

All I could hear was 'get out of the vehicle' too.

Feel sorry for her family obviously, the whole thing was absolutely avoidable, don't obstruct law enforcement officers then behave in an erratic threatening manner.

Completely agree. It's chilling indeed to see people effectively arguing that this woman somehow had it coming to her because she allegedly dared to protest against the actions of federal officers.

How far the land of the free has fallen.

@1dayatatime I think you're misinterpreting the intention/premeditation part. The intention to kill can come seconds before the act; it doesn't need to be a choice made hours or even minutes earlier in the day.

The question is, is it reasonable to believe that when the shooter unholstered his gun, aimed at Renee's head, and fired and then repositioned himself in order to fire two more rounds into her head, that his intention was to kill her?

I mean, do you really need someone to answer that?

If someone is coming at you with a car you actually can shoot them, it’s considered self defense.

The USA has no official language. That is worth remembering.

Puerto Rico for example. a US territory, has 3 million people, only about half of them speak English. And only 5% of households speak English at home.

Texas, another example, is 30% Spanish speakers.

Does ICE have jurisdiction to pull people over? Do people have to comply with ICE if they give a command or instruction? Do they have the same powers as the police?

Then they can prove that (but you and I both know they won’t. Have you ever seen a bigger bunch of cunts and bullies in your whole life than DHS and ICE??? No big surprise since DHS is led by mean-girl-in-chief Noem.)

EDIT: typo