Ice agent shoots woman in the face (pt 2)

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Renee Good. Proof the you can shoot someone and get away with it in Trump’s America.

Someone mentioned January 6 but I don’t recall that the woman who got shot to death there was defended much. She crawled through a window and the security guard shot her. I don’t see a huge amount of difference between the two.

That lady didn’t deserve to die either but it’s a consequence of trespassing too

You must have missed the bit where she waves a car past and then (appears to) wait for the ICE silver SUV to drive past. Pity, that.

There has been no evidence that her car was blocking the road.
The videos show cars moving past her vehicle.
Constantly repeating this falsehood won't make it any less of a lie.

It also has no bearing on her being murdered unless you think summary killings without due process are acceptable.

There a lot of dash cams and video recording door bells - and even cameras in hosues sometime for pets sometimes security in US - there a lot of misconduct caught on them that prove officals are lying.

Qualified immunity in some areas seem to mean patterns of behavior do develop in some law enforcement agencies/offices as they don't get held accountable for breaking the law even it it results in deaths.

Do you honestly believe this to be true? That anyone with a proper visa has nothing to worry about?

I would say that anyone who does believe this is either blinkered, brain-washed or deliberately choosing to ignore what is going on.

Again, how does this, in any way, justify the shooting of an unarmed woman?

It doesn't matter why she was in the street, or how many cars needed to get past her.

It doesn't matter why her wife was filming.

It doesn't matter why she drove away instead of stopping.

All that matters is whether the shooting was lawful. It was not, therefore it was murder.

The way she drove away could be used by the defense as a mitigating factor; It should be utterly destroyed by the prosecution if it is, as she didn't drive in a way to cause danger to anyone, but it does have a slight relevance to the case.

The fact that she was in the road, or that her wife was filming, or why she was there in the first place, is completely irrelevant.

Yeah someone upthread posted an article that maybe 50 US citizens were detained? Out of 250,000 deported? Pretty good actually

That wouldn't stop them killing you.

This ^^

It’s quite understandable even predictable that the executive takes victim blaming as their formal position. Particularly as this is an executive completely and wholly lacking in morals.

However, it is quite depressing that so many ordinary people continue to insist that the deliberate murder of an American citizen by a federal government representative is justifiable.

She was blocking ICE vehicles specifically. That’s why they approached her car and asked her to get out.

You don’t get to obstruct ICE because you think illegals should stay or whatever. Just like you don’t get to chain yourself to an abortion clinic because you want to save babies.

If you get harmed or die because of a political stunt, it’s kind of on you. I don’t think she intended to kill the guy, but how could he have known? She was driving straight at him.

Pretty good? Not for the '50' it wasn't. And neither is it good that people are now living in fear.

Not quite Land of the Free anymore.

I really feel for USA citizens who didn't vote for Trump.

I'll believe she was blocking vehicles when evidence is provided. I have been asking, yet none has been given. You seem utterly certain, so share your evidence.

Until then I will continue to assume that you are working to an agenda as you do not seem willing to engage in good faith.

But, she was NOT blocking their cars. In fact, she was on the side, had stopped and was not only waiting for them to go past was indicating with her hand that they could go first. Politely, in fact.

You can say she was blocking all you like. It does not make it true.

Yeah, she does come across like a psychopath
https://youtube.com/shorts/m_3hcBo-CzU?si=btkx03hJPHP8mHqo

You don't need to be a body language expert to see she was talking absolute bs.

I don't think anyone sane would want to go there now

lawless

Completely irrelevent. Filming on public land is lawful. If you start filming me, do my collegues have the right to shoot you? ICE agents were also filming protesters. Presumably one side was doing it for potential prosecution purposes and the other side (protesters) were doing it for both self protection and an honest record of events. Imagine if no one had been filming. Even with evidence, people on this thread are buying the false narrative that this poor woman was a violent terrorist who deserved her fate. If there were no evidence, how many more would find this summary execution acceptable?

So they get detained a few hours usually and then get released. By your standards, we couldn’t even arrest people because sometimes you nab the wrong person.

She was entirely occupying one lane. You had to go around her. She intended to obstruct the ICE vehicles specifically. What do you think she was doing? Broke down perpendicular to the road?

Um... leaving her own driveway as the neighbour witnesses have said?

Whether the officer can demonstrate that he genuinely believed that he was going to be hit by the vehicle or not and therefore whether his actions were reasonable or unreasonable is for the subsequent FBI investigation to determine. Maybe the officer was in danger of being hit by the car or maybe the officer wasn't in danger of being hit by the car but can show he thought he was or maybe there was no danger and the investigation shows he overreacted.

That said when approached by armed officers telling the driver to get out of the vehicle, trying to open the car door and trying to reach in through the open window, then the driver made the wrong decision in trying to drive off and this tragic incident could have been avoided if she simply did as instructed.

Why are any US citizens being detained by ICE?

Don’t they have proper information of who they are looking to detain? They appear to just ambush people and drag them away.

Are they so badly trained they don’t know how to check who has citizenship or VISAs?

Would be interesting to see how many of the 50 are not white.

Oh my god, think about the words you are using. You've turned the constitutional right to peaceful protest into a "political stunt" and said anyone who participates in such a "stunt" deserves to be harmed or die. Where is the legal system in any of your arguments? Where is your rebuttal about many of our replies to you regarding the EXCESSIVE USE OF FORCE?

There is no "you don't get to" any any country in the world. People make choices and take risks. Some choices may be illegal. I don't believe this woman did anything illegal, although i guess some may argue she was obstructing the highway (easily batted away by the fact that vehicles can be seen passing her and she can be seen waving them through. However, even if she had, the legal response would have been detainment and potentially arrest. NOT summary execution.

And for the last time, she was NOT driving straight at him.

Have you any objection to the agent discharding a loaded fire arm three times into a crowded area, filled with both unarmed civilians and his colleagues? At least one of the victim's car windows was open. He shot her twice through the open window. It was perfectly plausible and forseeable that he could easily have hit his own colleagues on the other side of the car.

But why do you need to arrest people at all, based only on the colour of their skin or place of birth, if they're not committing any crime other than being in your country?

If you were a tiny island with limited space, like the UK, I'd understand it more, but the US is huge, your level of unemployment is relatively low, and it's not like you have a universal health care system that is being put under strain, so what is the issue with immigration?

Arguably, you have needed immigration to keep your economy afloat, as up until recently, you had more vacancies than people available to fill them.

Edited to say I realise this is totally irrelevant to the issue of Renee's murder. I'm just curious about the shift from being a country proudly built on immigration, and proclaimed to be a land of opportunity and dreams where anyone can come from anywhere and achieve a good standard of life, to being ok with your own citizens being arrested, detained and murdered because there is a possibility they might be from the wrong country

If you get harmed or die because of a political stunt, it’s kind of on you.

That's how you view protest?

’If you get harmed or die because of a political stunt’? Guess that’s what Iran advocates - never thought the US would.
What about the right to protest? Is that only applicable when it aligns with specific views, or never? if so what happened to freedom of speech?
You’re walking so happily right into a dictatorship/totalitarian state, and that’s ok with you as you align with current leaders’ views - that won’t always be the case, what then?
Maybe my young grandchildren will grow up understanding this is now America, but I find it a difficult change, and a very worrying one as the U.K. often follows where the US leads.