Ice agent shoots woman in the face (pt 2)

[Eyesopenwideawake]

Renee Good. Proof the you can shoot someone and get away with it in Trump’s America.

Where did you read that?

No, ICE shouldn't have executed her.

Such victim blaming.

Watch the video footage. All of it. She wasn't threatening anyone.

I’m just saying, if it happened here it wouldn’t be a legal peaceful protest.

Fuck me. I never realized how many people are slathering to live under a fascist, sorry "strong", regime where protesting gets you killed. So much for Land of the Free.

You know they'll come for you next, right?

But we wouldn't shoot someone for it.

I don't think agitators/ protestors should be shot in the face. Or shot at all.

I don't even think the Trump agitators who overran the Capitol in January 2020 and threatened to string up Mike Pence should be shot.

But there appears to be one rule for Maga and one for others.

RingoJuice.

I am an atheist too. I am also a humanist.

I am not hearing humanity and compassion from those posters who have gulped down the Trump koolaid.

Birth lottery was meant in terms of randomness/chance/lack of choice, not preordained souls -because that wouldn’t be a lottery would it?

In addition you are making assumptions about your ancestors and their hard work leading to your experience of privilege re people you know nothing about and their ancestor’s efforts.

One point of consideration may be - why do you think your inherited wealth/privilege puts you in a morally superior position and then claim you have made a life based on your own efforts?

I hear this rhetoric a lot and I can’t see how it stands up to scrutiny.

Getting tired of these nonsensical bad faith replies now.

Sorry I didn't mean to quote anyone in that last post.

Oh, super you cleared that up😄

I mean, Venezuela is exactly as you describe, as is Iran. The left are ‘slathering’ to defend them.

The USA is undoubtedly more ‘rogue’ than it was under Obama. But it’s not yet at the level of over 70% of the world that live under a dictatorship proper. Saying a country which elected even a far right leader through a free and fair election is a ‘dictatorship’ is insulting to those who live under a dictatorship through no fault of their own.

I also think it’s interesting that lefties describe the West/USA as ‘terrifying’ yet continue to live there; probably because they know their beloved overseas Islamic countries, and much of South America and Africa/Asia, are far more right wing and authoritarian than even the USA at the moment.

They won’t ever acknowledge it however, the only right wing countries are Western to them.

But the same could be said about the glee expressed by the left when Charlie Kirk was murdered. I've watched how leftists have behaved over the past several years, particularly with their embrace of cancel culture and abandoning the principles of liberalism and thought "they'll come for you too"...

Rubbish

The Left

All these posts, sound rather scripted.

@Livelovebehappy

I think the misinformation point you raise is important along with the reaction to it being pointed and corrected.

For example: misinformation such as "she was simply pulling out of her driveway " or "politely asking for directions " - when this is corrected then the counter is based on emotion rather than the piece of information/ misinformation in question for example "well she didn't deserve be executed for it".

Or misinformation such as "there wasn't anyone stood in front of her car" - when this is shown to be otherwise then the emotion based counter is "well she still didn't deserve to be executed " again doesn't address the specific point of misinformation.

There are two completely different mindsets here , one emotion based and seeing the tragic death of a young mother, leaving behind orphaned children because of a cause she passionately believed in and cared about, caused by the policies of a President that you deeply disagree with and dislike.

The other mindset is more logic based and looks at the facts of the shooting:
Was she blocking the road and if so why?
Why didn't she get out of her car when asked?
Was the officer's life in danger?
Was the shooting a reasonable or unreasonable response by the officer and was the threat to his life real or not.

Having a debate between these two mindsets is never going to work.

Possibly from the posts by @Livelovebehappy who was unable to back any of it up.

What's your point?

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Not justifying 'murder' no, however armed officers will act when threatened. It's sad and tragic and I hope other prostestors put their own safety and that of others first in future.

The one I made?

Using an SUV to impede federal agents is not a peaceful protest. She can go on a march and hold signs. She can peacefully protest at federal buildings.

What she can’t do is use her SUV to block federal agents carrying out their duties.

I fwiw don’t think she meant to hit the guy. But it is a direct consequence of her actions that day

They don’t have one, hence the mud throwing.

In what way is it nonsensical or in bad faith to point out that we wouldn't shoot someone in the UK for obstructing a road?

Even if we accept the narrative that Renee Good was an "agitator" and that she was illegally obstructing the road to prevent the ICE agents from doing their job, the fact remains that none of that would have warranted her being shot and killed.

The Trump administration knows this, and therefore cooked up a story about the officer acting in self defence because she was trying to run him over, but the video evidence simply doesn't back that up.

It doesn't matter why she was there or what she was doing there. She didn't deserve to die.

She was murdered.

Completely unjustified.