To dob in family member - benefits

[Dragonsfoot]

I have a relative that does have health problems. They went to tribunal and were awarded higher rate PIP and have a motorbility car apparently supported by a Rottweiler of an advocate. I have no gripe that they deserve something - occasional falls, mild mental health problems, physical health problems that require monitoring and support and mild difficulties dressing themselves due to joint problems but don’t actually need to be helped. They do have a disability.

However, they are able to walk miles most of the time, decorate their home, complete domestic tasks and attend social activities on a very regular basis on foot. Morally torn. They probably will struggle without the money. Would DWP even do anything kind of thing. Either way I feel a bad person.

I think these threads are unpleasant and leave a bad taste in the mouth. How can you be judge and jury for a relation FFS. Leave them alone and be grateful you are able bodied

Oh you didn’t know what they’d presented at tribunal earlier.

And you’re so happy with your standard of living that you take a keen interest in the affluence of others? Why not go back to college and use some of that massive big brain to get further qualifications and a better paid job, and then you won’t care at all.

So based on your 'feelings', you're going to 'dob them in'? How utterly grim.

No I don’t enjoy perfect health and am perfectly content that the benefits system is there to help people who need it. I am happy to pay tax to facilitate this.

But you’re the alternative judge of “who needs it”? Riiight.

I realise now why there used to be such a big turn out at public executions. It was people like you.

'the award doesn’t feel proportionate to the problems they encounter.'

Oh aren't you just a peach. 🙄

The likes of me, could be judged too, I have good/ bad days with Parkinson’s at 63, mid stage.
i have leg issues and on my right side, I tremor too, some days more than others, I ‘know it’s degenerative, and will get worse.
Despite what I do or don’t do

I think you've had a hard time here op. You say your relative walks miles but they receive enhanced rate mobility which is based on not reliably being able to walk 20m or having severe psychological distress when out. Could there be a side to them you aren't seeing or their condition is variable and you are only seeing them walk miles on a good day. The criteria need to apply on the majority of days to qualify for the points.

There’s some weird shit on here tonight including another thread about a child with a disability and someone questioning whether he is actually disabled, having had a leg amputated.

I always wonder whether people like you are prepared to tell their relatives to their faces that they think they're receiving unfair benefits and they are thinking of reporting them.

My X husband was on disability benefits for years (20+) ...he was unemployed, then suddenly got a back condition and was classified as disabled. He got the highest rate of benefits. He fooled everyone. In 20+ years he decorated our adult sons houses numerous times, up ladders, full decorating...never outside the house As he approached retirement age he made a miraculous recovery...fit a a fucking fiddle. I would never ever begrudge a genuine claimant but don't be fooled...some people know how to work the system 🤔

Go for it. You’ll get a disproportionate amount of people on MN though who like to turn a blind eye to benefit fraud, so probably not the best place to get a balanced opinion on it.

No, like I say see them regularly. Know how life is lived. They walk far and wide on a regular basis. Occasional falls maybe a few times a year. No mobility aids. Live a pretty normal life. Life is not restricted by mobility.

Then dob them in. But let them know it was you.

As he approached retirement age he made a miraculous recovery

Why did he stop pretending at that point?

Then that seems bizarre how they got enhanced mobility awarded unless awarded based on the other mobility descriptor. I guess maybe if having falls and always being at risk of that they are considered not to be able to mobilise reliably?

No chance.

They'll be the type of MNetter who sits there shaking and crying because someone's knocked at their door and they weren't expecting them.

I really, truly, in the core of my being hope you become disabled and have some one scruntenise you they way you have your relative.

Disabled people are allowed to socialise and do fun things and doesn't matter how Rottweiler esq an advocate is if the evidence isn't there it isnt there.

I was wondering this as he could have continued claiming PIP into retirement?

It is bullshit, because if you are on PIP before retirement age, you still get it once you reach retirement age.

They fall and can’t dress themselves and you begrudge them? Wow just wow

when do you want to do away with next……weekends, sick leave, pensions?

Article in the Guardian today £800 million owed to HMRC by recruitment firms going bust and reopening with same directors over and over and people are being conned into attacking each other, Starbucks, Costa etc..not paying any tax on billions in profits - someone getting help because they are disabled is how you want to address our problems? What employer would employ someone who falls without some difficulty? Can’t dress easily etc..

I’m going to go against the grain here… if I was capable of walking miles and decorating my own home I wouldn’t dream of claiming benefits. Society will only work when people only claim benefits that they need. Someone that can do those things could do a job, maybe not every job, but there would be jobs they could do.
I think I’d find it difficult reporting a relative, but it does sound like they could work from what you say

I disagree.

I think what MN doesn't like is cunty behaviour and people crowing about reporting others, under the guise of hand-wringing.

Most normal people would just quietly get on with reporting if they thought it was justified.

They wouldn't need to start yet another goady 'debate' about it.

OP is on about PIP, and it is not an out of work benefit.

That is why I asked. @bert3400 ex was a bit of a rubbish benefit cheat if he hadn't sussed that out during his 20 years of fraudulently claiming disability benefits. He certainly didn't know how to "work the system".