To dob in family member - benefits

[Dragonsfoot]

I have a relative that does have health problems. They went to tribunal and were awarded higher rate PIP and have a motorbility car apparently supported by a Rottweiler of an advocate. I have no gripe that they deserve something - occasional falls, mild mental health problems, physical health problems that require monitoring and support and mild difficulties dressing themselves due to joint problems but don’t actually need to be helped. They do have a disability.

However, they are able to walk miles most of the time, decorate their home, complete domestic tasks and attend social activities on a very regular basis on foot. Morally torn. They probably will struggle without the money. Would DWP even do anything kind of thing. Either way I feel a bad person.

Whilst you may have been ambiguous on whether you are a him or a her @Dragonsfoot, you’ve been very clear on bring a petty, spiteful arsehole.

Quite something that on a site that regularly bashes benefits claimants and supports the notion anyone getting benefits should never leave home or have any joy or comfort, you’ve so throughly had your arse handed to you.

Maybe use that as a conversation starter for your bitchy relatives gatherings.

It’s not your decision, and you’re a sticky beak. Keep out of other people’s business

Professionals and a tribunal will have much more knowledge and access to their health records, than you have.

I would leave it be.

Indeed - it’s not all about being physically disabled. Many disabilities are ‘invisible’ so my DD is physically very able (very talented snowboarder apparently) but due to ASD/ADHD is unable to travel by public transport alone unless accompanied or it is a route she knows and has rehearsed a lot (and it is not peak hours/crowded). Even then, if there is a station closure or train cancellation and the line becomes congested, she will implode, so needs to be able to call a car - or me. I have lost count the number of times in the last 3 years I have had to drive across Surrey and London at midnight-4am to rescue her because she ‘thought’ she would be able to cope with a concert/gig/party and then got stranded because 80,000 people heading home at the same time meant she was completely overwhelmed by the crowds.

But certain PP/OPs probably think it is heinous and unconscionable that she even left the house to go to a gig, and try to make friends by doing a normal student activity, at all.

@Dragonsfoot
You don’t know the ins and outs of it though do you? To get a MOTABILITY- not “motorbility” whatever that is - vehicle they will have had to evidence to the independent Tribunal their mobility issues.
The fact that you refer to them having a “motorbility” car suggests that you are full of the proverbial shit.

I can see you’ve been piled on, OP. So I won’t do that.

What I will say, is that the general public have no real insight into the decision making process, and many people hide certain things from their families, so can appear to be doing better than how they truly are.

I see chancers every day - as you can imagine - so I do get where you’re coming from, but you might be barking up the wrong tree here.

If you report, they’ll start an investigation process. Once that starts, it’s out of your hands.

Lots of evidence that people use at tribunals is self reported. Eg they may have visited their doctor and self reported to the doctor that they are really struggling dressing and need help to do so every day. The doctor will then record that and it becomes a piece of 'evidence'

This is the biggest issue around the whole system. When the numbers of claimants are so vast you have to rely on people's self reported symptoms largely, and there's a lot of scope for people to exaggerate. Not lie necessarily, but claim that 6 days out of 7 they are struggling when maybe it's only 1-2 days out of 7.

The difference is a successful claim versus an unsuccessful one, as a lot of the criteria are around how frequently your disability is affecting you as this gives a sense of its impact on your life.

Look at all the threads on here where people are advised to describe their worst day. What if that 'worst day' only happens once every 6 months, is that still a fair claim?

I very much doubt anything would come of you reporting. I have reported my neighbour numerous times who supposedly has such bad anxiety and panic attacks that he cannot leave his house so therefore cannot work.

He in fact leaves his house every single day. He goes shopping most days, he walks his dogs, he visits his girlfriend, he sees his son. Oh and he also works most days cash in hand.

He has been getting away with this for over 3 years.

So, @Dragonsfoot I appreciate that you didn’t start this post expecting to be on the receiving end of such anger, but I think the issue here is that people such as yourselves really do not understand the process, the criteria or what the purpose of PIP is. The headlines in the newspapers, the rhetoric on SM has an over-simplified and uninformed understanding of what is involved. I and my DS are also ASD/ADHD, but neither of us qualify for PIP as we are not ‘disabled’ by it - even though it is regarded as a disability. For my DD it is a chronic, pernicious disability that impacts every waking day of her life - and even when she appears to be well she is counting the seconds to getting back to her safety zone [her room].

I hope that, if you can deflect from the anger and frustration of some of the PPs here (my comments probably reflect that, so I apologise if it upsets) but actually tae a moment to read the gov.uk websites about the criteria, or the posts about severely impacted people who need the support PIP provides. Or just accept that it is a complex process and that the multiple agencies that are involved in allocating an PIP award are staffed by caring professionals who actually know what they are doingl

Expose them.
Those who abuse the system need to be punished and humiliated publicly.

80% of pip claimants do not work.

How do you envisage this humiliation looking?

Why?

Whether genuine or not you seem to be very close friends with your neighbour (I know very little to nothing about mine). Maybe better if you distance yourself from him so you’re not so aware of his daily comings and goings and who he’s visiting and how and when he gets cash in hand jobs.

Public stocks on the village green. Bring your own rotten veg?

You believe disabled people should be humiliated in public. How horrible. What would you do make them wear a badge? Tattoo their heads? Make them sit in stocks so that abled people can throw eggs at them? People with your attitude make me sick.

You do wonder don't you?

Because they are disabled obviously that is the point.

Have you suddenly become a guardian of the public purse strings?

It’s none of your business.

My brother in law, on the face of it, would seem to ‘manage’, yet had MS and he had good days and TERRIBLE days. Trust me, PIP doesn’t pay out loads despite what you might read in the Daily Maul.

Some posters would definitely have preferred to have live in the middle ages.

Or maybe he has been investigated, and found to be doing nothing wrong, just a thought. Either way, your repeated attempts to disrupt his life is not working, so just leave him be.

I'm usually the first to call out for reporting benefit fraud but the way you have described this person, sounds like me.

I have a physical health condition but to most people, I probably seem like I'm doing just fine. because I want to portray that image. I travel on foot, decorate etc etc but because I HAVE to

What people don't see, however, is me sobbing in pain, is me on the days when I don't leave the house because I literally cannot walk, is me frustrated because a task really needs doing and I am unable, me feeling like shit because I'm having to ask for yet another favour from my family, me not wanting to try dating again because I feel like such a burden on people

They don't see me sleeping on the sofa when I can barely walk because I'm scared that if there was an emergency in the night, I wouldn't be able to safely get out of the house

They don't see me depressed and hating myself, for something that is completely out of my control

They don't see the times when I'm struggling physically and my entire kitchen side is covered in washing up, when the bin is overflowing, when the floors are filthy, when there's no clean clothes for me to wear. They don't have to live in this mess and hate every second but be unable to do anything about it

They don't see how much I spend on medication, pain relief 'gimmicks' because I'm desperate, additional gas/electric for baths, extra laundry costs and sanitary products because some days I can wet myself multiple times as I can't physically move quick enough to get me to the toilet, on pre-prepared food because I can't manage to stand to cook, taxis when I have gone somewhere and can't propel myself back, additional treatments which probably sound like pampering but when you can't bend your ankles or cut your own nails because your toes are solidly curled under your feet then massage and pedicures become essential

I won't get a promotion at work because I can't be physically present in the office

Mind your own business - who the fuck would do this to a family member? You sound vile

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