To dob in family member - benefits

[Dragonsfoot]

I have a relative that does have health problems. They went to tribunal and were awarded higher rate PIP and have a motorbility car apparently supported by a Rottweiler of an advocate. I have no gripe that they deserve something - occasional falls, mild mental health problems, physical health problems that require monitoring and support and mild difficulties dressing themselves due to joint problems but don’t actually need to be helped. They do have a disability.

However, they are able to walk miles most of the time, decorate their home, complete domestic tasks and attend social activities on a very regular basis on foot. Morally torn. They probably will struggle without the money. Would DWP even do anything kind of thing. Either way I feel a bad person.

When my son was researching universities I went with him to the campuses. Walked around them, walked around the towns etc all as support for my son. I was in excruciating pain doing this but I powered through for him. If I had been on pip and you saw me doing these campus and town walkabouts would you have reported me?

Snitches get stitches

You haven’t evidences cheating. They’d likely get it again if reassessed and you would feel stupid.

The system is unaffordable and will come crashing down, but that’s not relevant to your relative’s application.

PIP has nothing to do with being "workshy" as it's not an out of work benefit. We need to look at barriers to employment for disabled people and consider that many of us are only able to work part time and still need financial support. We don't need to condemn people based on lack of knowledge and accurate information. In fact on this thread there's no justification for you to call people workshy when it's been pointed out time and again that PIP is not related to employment status.

This thread is one of those funny ones. Omg op you are so terrible never report anyone what a cow and so on.

On general benefits threads when someone says they know or suspect someone. Well I hope you’ve reported them it’s our duty to report!!!!

😂

If they can genuinely walk that far regularly and not as a once every so often they manage and then recover/suffer for days, they shouldn’t be getting higher mobility.

It’s none of your business and you shouldn’t assume just because they have a life they aren’t in pain everyday.

We have a campaign at MD UK to change the requirements with PIP for progressive neurological conditions.

Can you not get it for mental health conditions as well though? PTSD means you may need to leave a place quickly etc

posts like this are heartbreaking. The world has become so very harsh. These people will never understand what it is like to have a disability.

The very same people who would "dob" on a family member will probably fawn over the royal family, the biggest benefits cheats in history.

Yes that is why I mentioned psychological distress and the ability to make and plan a journey in my original post.

Not another jealous nosey f#cker.

It’s none of your business. PIP don’t just hand out money and cars, she would have needed to show proof of her disabilities. Mobility cars are not just for those that can’t walk, my dd has a mobility car, she’s severely autistic with mild mobility issues. She scored high on the PIP forms for ‘getting around’, not because she can’t walk but because she can’t travel alone, can’t plan journeys and has a lack of safety awareness. The mobility part of PIP pays for the car (that’s not money in her pocket), she’s not given a car for free.

My daughter can walk quite far with support (a person), the car is used to take her places, appointments and for her carers to use to take her out. If someone wants to report us for benefit fraud then I am sure they would be laughed at for wasting time and resources.

Keep your nose out and be thankful that you are not disabled.

You feel like a bad person because you are displaying some undesirable character traits. You are interfering in someone else's life, you are arrogantly assuming you know more about benefits than you do, you are resentful of something that makes a disabled person's life better and want that removed from them, and your are being disingenuous in dressing this up as 'morality'. Deep down, you know this isn't the behaviour of a 'good' person, so your conscience is troubled.
You try to make this seem better by framing the dilemma as not wanting them to lose out, another falsehood, as really you absolutely do want them to lose this money, and would be highly satisfied if it was taken from them.
Whether you report or not, at least own your motives, because self awareness is an important step in being a good person.

Like @BunnyLake I have a chronic illness that over the past 2 years along with the pressures of raising a disabled child has seen me reduce my working hours from being a full time professional (solicitor) to part time to less than part time to engaging in minimum wage temp work to now not working at all. It's an illness that is supposedly 'not progressive' but I sure as shit know it is and others in my support group know it is too. Just that science has not yet caught up with that it seems. I am eligible for PIP but have not applied because applying foir DLA for DS was such a traumatic experience and so far we are manging to live off DH's income. People might see me doing the school run. going out for dinner and walking to the shops and back. What they don't see is the 10 days I spent in bed over Christmas where I needed help from DH to get from bed to sofa so i could watch my kids open their Christmas presents. They did not see my children putting up the Christmas tree and taking photos of it on their phones to bring to me in bed.

Of course you should stay out of it. They did the right thing in getting a good advisor for the Tribunal, I used our local PIPfixer for my claim. . We all have good days and bad days.

You think you know better than the tribunal system why on earth would the DWP take your word over the judge.

Social duty my ass. If you're concerned about social duty do something positive for someone. Leave them alone. You'd feel shit if you reported them anyway.

My friend is on the highest award of PIP, she did have an accident a few years ago but has now healed. Lives she lives a full life, nothing to stop her working, she admits she just doesn’t want to & her husband is on a 6 figure income so is a stay at home wife (no kids) , quite frankly she shouldn’t be on the highest rate of PIP and knows it. She Has said when it runs out in 2 yrs at next review then she’ll think about getting a job. Another man at my work, works full time, says he uses all the £400 PIP he gets a month towards his holidays. So let’s not kid ourselves that it’s not possible to get PIP where it’s not really warranted.

Also please remember you don’t know what you don’t know. I have a condition I won’t tell my family about alongside my disability as it relates to SA from a family member.

This. Interesting how peoples social duty so often manifests as taking things away from people rather than offering them something.

But that is clearly a one off and very different from a family member clearly seeing someone regularly and what they have claimed for PIP not matching what they are observing.
I have to push through some days but I would then be observed in following days to be resting.
I'm sorry for your struggles and did not mean to offend. I have a hidden disability, (and children) so understand how hard it is some days!

Being awarded PIP does not mean you cannot work, cannot walk or do some decorating - disabilities are not always obvious, your relative has health problems and the award was made after the facts had been examined by DWP at a tribunal, so they were obviously satisfied - it really is none of your business.

Honestly - they don’t monitor unless an officious neighbour or - cough - relative reports them with actual evidence. They took 8months to process our claim due to backlog - a straightforward evidenced claim with an initial in person interview with DWP (to vet me, as much as DD) and then via zoom to do the actual assessment for my DD herself. They simply do not have the manpower or budget to be snooping and spying. That’s a myth rooted in the wishful thinking of anti-benefits [possibly right wing] handwringing.

Please don’t let it stop you making a claim because if they deem you as eligible you should take the money and use it to support pain management therapies that just aren’t available on the NHS, or to get a cleaner - no one has to know you receive it. It is no one else’s business, so if you are awarded it, just keep it to yourself. Judging by this post, I wouldn’t even tell family!!

This thread is so depressing. The amount of people rejected that end up in very dire straits is scary and then we have this on top of it demonising us as disabled people because yes it’s us in the end that get the gossip, the dirty looks, the worry of pushing through as to not burden on top of having a shitty condition. I’d rather not have that and live to old age but hey ho!!

I hate these threads. Shame on you OP.

Its not just about walking ,my son currently gets HRM under DLA due to severe mental impairment he csn walk for miles but at 15 has the cognitive ability of a toddler
When he transition, s to PIP this year I dont see that changing as he hasent a cat in hells chance of planning and undertaking a journey form A to B independently.