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Thread 22 : To feel disappointed - and now disgusted too - after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 05/01/2026 19:13

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The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

First thread: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film? | Mumsnet

Links to threads 2-16, the other 20 Observer articles and videos to date, Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement, our timeline and sources can all be accessed in the OP and first few posts of Thread 17: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5403285-thread-17-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

Links to threads 18-20 can be found in the OP of Thread 21: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5460943-thread-21-to-feel-disappointed-and-now-disgusted-too-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

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New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse are welcome. It would be helpful to get the background from at least some of the Observer exposé items before posting.
To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Remember, even Hollywood rabbits attract the odd flea. Please do not engage with drive-by scolders and ploppers who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. Over 6 months we have done amazingly well together for 21 very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

After 21,000 posts there are still new things to look out for on the path ahead:

  • Observer Newsroom: The Real Salt Path Story, Thursday 8th January 2026 6.30-7.30pm. More information and to book via this link observer.co.uk/our-events/the-real-salt-path-story
  • Podcast series from The Observer's award-winning Investigative Journalist Chloe Hadjimatheou, 13th January 2026
  • BBC Podcast (NB Not involving Our Chloe)

Keep to the path, no saltiness, eat fudge and drink cider.

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SimonArmwrestler · 05/01/2026 19:16

Signing in.

JustLikeThat647 · 05/01/2026 19:49

Hi all! Reporting for the new thread.

Peladon · 06/01/2026 09:07

Thank you for launching the Orca 2 charabanc.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 06/01/2026 09:10

Thank you @DisappointedReader for firing up the engine and getting the heater going. I've got my seat (but fear for the integrity of Headless Simon).

AllFrothNoMoth · 06/01/2026 09:35

Just getting a window seat. Think I can see a dapper man riding a dolphin while a woman wearing a charity shop dress buries her head in the sand.

RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays · 06/01/2026 09:48

Good morning all, has anyone managed recently to get an online ticket for Thursday?

AllFrothNoMoth · 06/01/2026 09:51

From rebuttal no. 2 : "Moth was diagnosed with CBD, now known as CBS, which is an Atypical Parkinsonism – this is a fact."

Is it really a fact Sally? Is it? The 2015 letter says Tim's condition "most closely resembles corticobasal syndrome." So he was NOT diagnosed with CBD. And CBD is NOT now known as CBS, these are distinct terms with CBD being a specific disease and CBS being a broader umbrella term. These are facts.

Unless of course you have evidence that confirms he was diagnosed with CBD in 2013 and was somehow later deemed to have a mild form of CBS in 2015? Maybe the walking was a miracle cure afterall?! Except we know the walking "the whole 630 miles" wasn't as described either and much of it was done after the 2015 CBS suggestion.

Anyone can say something is fact when it is not. But it is only evidence that confirms a fact. You could easily clear this up with supporting evidence. Or is it another case of "i didn't have the evidence to support what happened"???

Bottom line, your rebuttal is only manipulating and fooling the choir you preach to. Stop lying to them and yourself.

BeaveringBrandy · 06/01/2026 10:07

RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays · 06/01/2026 09:48

Good morning all, has anyone managed recently to get an online ticket for Thursday?

No, afraid not. Just the email saying it is a known glitch that they are working to fix.

Anythingbutheadlands · 06/01/2026 10:16

Signing in with a new name, trying some graded exposure to the dreaded H word, as befits a Psychology correspondent.
Looking forward to Thursday!

TheTimeTravellersNiece · 06/01/2026 10:30

Thanks for the new thread @DisappointedReader

PullTheBricksDown · 06/01/2026 10:34

Rejoining after some time off the path! Thanks @DisappointedReader . Read the Observer latest and that was disappointing but not surprising given what we already know about the WinnWalkers.

BeaveringBrandy · 06/01/2026 10:37

“She was angry at one point, she was crying at one point, her voice was so quiet at one point, I could hardly hear her. She was the victim … and I just thought, my God, how have I not noticed that this person can adopt all these different styles to manipulate me?

The following was shared yesterday by a poster but as it was a NZ story it was behind a paywall. You can read it here:

Terminal lies: Inside alleged Christchurch fraudster Nicola Flint’s elaborate, years-long cancer con - NZ Herald

Freshsocks · 06/01/2026 11:28

Thank you @DisappointedReader, so glad you haven't put me in one of the new roof seats, I'm sorry I made a stink with my hard boiled egg sandwiches on the last leg of the journey, I'm sticking to fudge this trip, more pleasant for everyone :)

ItsNotYourUsername · 06/01/2026 11:41

BeaveringBrandy · 06/01/2026 10:37

“She was angry at one point, she was crying at one point, her voice was so quiet at one point, I could hardly hear her. She was the victim … and I just thought, my God, how have I not noticed that this person can adopt all these different styles to manipulate me?

The following was shared yesterday by a poster but as it was a NZ story it was behind a paywall. You can read it here:

Terminal lies: Inside alleged Christchurch fraudster Nicola Flint’s elaborate, years-long cancer con - NZ Herald

Just read the article. Is she related to Sally? 🤣

“Flint had been in charge of the finances and trust account of Christchurch Football Club and was facing nine charges, including causing loss by deception, forgery, using forged documents, theft by a person in a special relationship and taking, and obtaining or using a document for pecuniary advantage, according to court documents.
The investigation began after the club alleged Flint had “taken over $85,000 from the club and had since left the country” (she left New Zealand and moved to the UK).
“Flint’s mother is believed to live in Wales and they may have moved to this location, but no further details are known.”
After leaving New Zealand, Flint and her husband sold their Christchurch home. After the rugby club took legal action, the couple were forced to hand over almost $100,000 from the proceeds.
The club’s legal and accountancy fees were also paid.”

Sounds very much like the Hemmings story.

“Neither Nicola (Flint)– who may be using her maiden name Curry – nor her husband responded to the Herald. “

Sally also used middle names/ nicknames etc.

“Flint began borrowing money from an older member of the family. No one questioned her at first – no one suspected she would lie about such serious situations. “

Latest revelations reveal Sally also have “borrowed” money from older members of her and Tim’s family…

“Another Flint family member spoke on condition of anonymity. She said Flint’s alleged offending was “disgusting” and “so wrong”.
“I’m a nurse and I’ve nursed a lot of cancer patients, and to think these poor people are living with cancer and dying from cancer, and she can do this? She’s just degrading the whole health system where cancer is concerned. It’s just wrong and I am very, very angry,” she said. She’s got a really warped mind … you’d have to, to even try some of the things she’s done,” she said.
“I can’t understand why she’d do it to us. She really is a manipulator, a real crook. And what annoys me the most is that she’s not going to be held responsible for it.
“I don’t know how she can live with herself.”

I’m afraid the same will happen with Sally and Tim, they will forever be the victims in their own eyes, they’ll never take any responsibility for their actions.
Hopefully the royalties will decrease and Penguin won’t publish OWH.

I was also wondering what led the Dream Team to enter the wellness business idea. Couldn’t Tim potentially be the best proof of how well their “wellness retreat” is working? By conning people saying “look at me I’m still alive and in good health 20 years after my initial CBD diagnosis, all thanks to our wellbeing treatments…” this is just a speculation but they couldn’t have possibly keep going for walks forever and claim that’s what “fixes” Tim.

🤯

HatStickBoots · 06/01/2026 11:54

Loving all the new usernames!
Thank you for the new thread @DisappointedReader ! Loving The Orca! 😄
@AllFrothNoMoth is it a case of Facts and My Facts?

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 06/01/2026 11:59

AllFrothNoMoth · 06/01/2026 09:51

From rebuttal no. 2 : "Moth was diagnosed with CBD, now known as CBS, which is an Atypical Parkinsonism – this is a fact."

Is it really a fact Sally? Is it? The 2015 letter says Tim's condition "most closely resembles corticobasal syndrome." So he was NOT diagnosed with CBD. And CBD is NOT now known as CBS, these are distinct terms with CBD being a specific disease and CBS being a broader umbrella term. These are facts.

Unless of course you have evidence that confirms he was diagnosed with CBD in 2013 and was somehow later deemed to have a mild form of CBS in 2015? Maybe the walking was a miracle cure afterall?! Except we know the walking "the whole 630 miles" wasn't as described either and much of it was done after the 2015 CBS suggestion.

Anyone can say something is fact when it is not. But it is only evidence that confirms a fact. You could easily clear this up with supporting evidence. Or is it another case of "i didn't have the evidence to support what happened"???

Bottom line, your rebuttal is only manipulating and fooling the choir you preach to. Stop lying to them and yourself.

Edited

I have, throughout my life, lost track of the number of people (who have been, I'm afraid to say, mostly men) who have tried to shut down arguments by saying 'XXX is XXXX - FACT.'

As though by being absolutely definite they could stop anyone raising the issue. Just saying 'Fact' unfortunately does not make it true! I think Sal is trying the same deflection.

Raymothquestion · 06/01/2026 12:31

Well done to everyone for keeping this inquiry going. I have only posted once previously (Th7 p18), to point out that in the 2015 medical letter there was no mention of Moth walking the 630 miles of the SWCP and to ask why that was the case. If the Walkers had mentioned this, the consultant would surely have noted the fact as he did report Moth stating that he had difficulty walking on uneven ground. My thoughts were that either the walks had not taken place prior to 2015 or that the Walkers had not told the consultant for their own reasons.

I did have other concerns arising from the 2015 letter but that was going to be my only post on the issue. Fortunately, however, my better half presented me with a (charity shop) copy of TSP for Christmas (probably due to my banging on about the topic) and I have now read TSP for the first time in light of what I had gleaned from the 2015 letter. This has encouraged me to follow up my original post. I’m sorry this is lengthy but I hopefully it will be of interest.

In TSP it is claimed that the Walkers are first given a diagnosis of Moth’s ‘condition’ (“I believe you have corticobasal degeneration, CBD”. p15), “at a Liverpool hospital” (p14), sometime in June 2013 (p179).

Despite these claims, I think the information provided in the 2015 medical letter indicates clearly that the first diagnosis given to the Walkers was the one given to them at Liverpool in June 2015. This is because no previous diagnosis is referred to in the letter, just a series of inconclusive tests (MRI, EEG, EMG, blood tests) which are reported to have had negative results. So, the first point to make is that the meeting in Liverpool described in TSP actually occurred after the two walks in TSP which are described as occurring during August – October 2013 and from July to September 2014. Therefore, any reference in TSP to the Walkers i) believing Moth had CBD, ii) either of them thinking about it at the time, or iii) discussing it between themselves or with any other person, is a complete fabrication.

The second point to make about the 2015 letter concerns the diagnosis itself. The consultant is quite tentative about making the diagnosis but, based upon the reported symptoms and the results of the eye examination, he states: “I have explained to Mr Walker that his condition mostly resembles the corticobasal syndrome…but it is clear that he is affected very mildly…” So, he is saying that it could be a mild version of CBS (I’m not going to be diverted into a discussion about definitions of CBS/CBD here as that has been covered adequately in an earlier thread) but very responsibly, and tellingly the consultant also states the following: “…especially given the long history. I mentioned to him that the PSP Society provides information about corticobasal syndrome /corticobasal degeneration but emphasised that much of the information he would encounter if he researched the matter would pertain to patients with more severe disease than his own.”

My reading of this is that the consultant is explicitly warning the Walkers that Moth was not suffering from a severe form of CBS and therefore that the most severe effects of that condition did NOT apply to him (in other words this was explicitly NOT a terminal diagnosis). Therefore, regardless of when the walks actually took place, any reference in TSP to the Walkers believing i) Moth was dying, ii) he did not have long to live, or iii) was destined to suffer horribly, etc. is also a complete fabrication. I should say at this point that the consultant was completely justified in making his comments as Moth still appears to be going strong around 20 years after he says his symptoms first appeared.

The main reason I have made these points is that TSP is absolutely riddled with claims that a) the Walkers knew Moth had CBD in 2013/14 and b) that his condition was terminal. In fact, I have counted them. I’m not sure I have spotted them all but there are direct references to CBD on 15 pages (if you would like to check, on pages 14,15,20,46,48,58,75,165,179,180,195,206,222,241,243).

As well as this, on 27 pages there is reference to Moth suffering the most severe effects of CBD (e.g. “Moth was dying”, (Moth says) “I’m dying”, ‘What if I’m dying”, “I don’t want to die in a tent”, etc.) This is on pages 2,8,18,20,22,24,40,51,61,73,74,78,81, 82, 107, 130,131,149,165,191, 200,209,210,225, 241,243,271. I have included here several references to “a miracle” occurring when Moth seems to have improved somewhat, on the basis that this is an indirect reference to severe symptoms. On the other hand, I have not included the very many references to Moth’s aches and pains, which the reader is implicitly invited to link to his condition but could really just be the natural aches and pains felt by an older person engaging in unfamiliar physical activity.

Why is this important? Well, having now read the book I can see that for many readers the details of the walk are probably a secondary issue. The emotional heart of the book and hence much of its wider appeal is based on the story of a woman who has lost her home and livelihood now facing the greatest challenge of all as she faces losing the man she loves, her partner, soul mate, etc. etc.to a devastating illness. A battle to keep him alive against all odds, against medical opinion, against the world...okay, I’m over egging it, but that is how the text reads. It has quite an emotional pull and I’m sure that many readers can empathise with someone in this situation. But the narrative is based upon two lies. The knowledge of the diagnosis and its severity. Without those two things, the struggle does not have the same emotional heft.

I think Penguin recognised this and the question remains as to how much, having recognised a potential cash-cow, they helped to shape the narrative of TSP. The back cover blurb of TSP reinforces both of the lies mentioned here: “Just days after Raynor Winn learned that Moth, her husband of thirty-two years, was terminally ill,…”. So it is clear that they knew what would pull in the punters. Even more reprehensibly, the back cover blurb for TWS (which my better half also presented me with) states that before the walk described in TSP “Raynor Winn was told her husband was dying” and that the journey “had saved Moth’s life.” This is quite remarkable and, in my view, marketing this as a true story amounts to both the Walkers and Penguin knowingly perpetrating fraud on their readers.

As I say, I hope this is useful. I am happy for anything I have said here to be corrected. For my part, I’m just glad to get it off my chest.

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 06/01/2026 12:37

I’ve seen this book being advertised on this website more frequently in the past couple of days, I thought the adverts had been stopped somehow?

OneLivelyGreenDeer · 06/01/2026 12:40

It seems to me that PRH clearly do not think they have been brought into disrepute in any real way by SW or they would have distanced themselves from her by now.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 06/01/2026 12:51

AllFrothNoMoth · 06/01/2026 09:35

Just getting a window seat. Think I can see a dapper man riding a dolphin while a woman wearing a charity shop dress buries her head in the sand.

Edited

Sorry, that might be me. I had Headless Simon's appendage rolled up under my arm,, but I got a bit tired of carrying it. (Don't tell him).

OnlyAfterwards · 06/01/2026 12:54

OneLivelyGreenDeer · 06/01/2026 12:40

It seems to me that PRH clearly do not think they have been brought into disrepute in any real way by SW or they would have distanced themselves from her by now.

As I think I said on the other thread under another username (longtime regular on these threads), I think the crunch point will come only when it's a matter of deciding whether they publish OWH in some form or not.

At the moment, they're still fence-sitting because nothing is particularly being required of them. No one is threatening legal action, media focus is on the Walkers and not the publishers. They still have time to see what else, if anything, emerges.

AllFrothNoMoth · 06/01/2026 13:13

Another couple of holes/lies in the SalRay's writing of the diagnosis in TSP that I had previously overlooked...

1:

The endless trips to doctors’ waiting rooms had begun six years previously. A debilitating pain in his shoulder and arm, and then a tremor beginning in his hand, had led to doctors believing he had Parkinson’s disease, but when that was proved not to be the case, they felt maybe it was nerve damage.

It seems, in my opinion, that it is very unlikely doctors, over 6 years, would go from thinking/believing it was Parkinson's to then revert to the far more vague nerve damage...and THEN go back to believing it was CBD/S.

2:

But this doctor was the top dog, head of his field, the real deal. He was going to tell us that it was ligament damage or something similar and how it could be fixed; that it had happened when Moth fell through the barn roof years ago – maybe there’d been a hairline fracture. He was certainly going to tell us how it could be put right. He would sit authoritatively behind his desk and tell us this. Without a doubt...

...[a few lines later]...

‘The best thing I can do for you, Moth, is give you a diagnosis.’
No, no, no, no, no. Don’t say any more, don’t speak, something awful is going to fall out of your smug, tight lips, don’t open them, don’t speak.

Why the sudden panic and despair at the mere mention of a diagnosis? At this point she has no idea about the awfulness of CBD and knows Parkinson's has been ruled out. Meanwhile, the above paragraph shows she had been expecting a diagnosis (i.e the cause of Moth's pain) from the top dog - indeed why else are they there to see the Dr - so her sudden aversion to hearing a diagnosis before it is given simply doesn't add up, whether true or fiction. More likely a sign of how it was made up for dramatic effect but done badly.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 06/01/2026 13:14

What we need is a class action law suit against PRH so that they would be forced to disclose internal documents & emails regarding TSP. It would be enlightening to know how much of the narrative was created at the behest of PRH. Were all the changes from the original draft of Lightly Salted Blackberries done by SalRay's editor?

MargaretThursday · 06/01/2026 13:17

Thank you for the new thread!

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 06/01/2026 13:34

AllFrothNoMoth · 06/01/2026 13:13

Another couple of holes/lies in the SalRay's writing of the diagnosis in TSP that I had previously overlooked...

1:

The endless trips to doctors’ waiting rooms had begun six years previously. A debilitating pain in his shoulder and arm, and then a tremor beginning in his hand, had led to doctors believing he had Parkinson’s disease, but when that was proved not to be the case, they felt maybe it was nerve damage.

It seems, in my opinion, that it is very unlikely doctors, over 6 years, would go from thinking/believing it was Parkinson's to then revert to the far more vague nerve damage...and THEN go back to believing it was CBD/S.

2:

But this doctor was the top dog, head of his field, the real deal. He was going to tell us that it was ligament damage or something similar and how it could be fixed; that it had happened when Moth fell through the barn roof years ago – maybe there’d been a hairline fracture. He was certainly going to tell us how it could be put right. He would sit authoritatively behind his desk and tell us this. Without a doubt...

...[a few lines later]...

‘The best thing I can do for you, Moth, is give you a diagnosis.’
No, no, no, no, no. Don’t say any more, don’t speak, something awful is going to fall out of your smug, tight lips, don’t open them, don’t speak.

Why the sudden panic and despair at the mere mention of a diagnosis? At this point she has no idea about the awfulness of CBD and knows Parkinson's has been ruled out. Meanwhile, the above paragraph shows she had been expecting a diagnosis (i.e the cause of Moth's pain) from the top dog - indeed why else are they there to see the Dr - so her sudden aversion to hearing a diagnosis before it is given simply doesn't add up, whether true or fiction. More likely a sign of how it was made up for dramatic effect but done badly.

Edited

She's not a great writer. She's not even a good writer. I'd rate Sal as an 'adequate' writer (plenty of adequate writers are published), I certainly don't think she brings any new insights into the human condition. You know how you read a book sometimes and you think "Oh my God! Me too! I never knew other people thought this/felt like this too!" Or where you read a description of something and you think "D'you know, that is exactly what it's like, I never thought of that before."

You don't get any of that from her.

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