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Thread 17: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 02/09/2025 13:42

The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...
The 14 Observer items currently available on their online 'The real Salt Path' page: The real Salt Path | The Observer
More from The Observer:
‘Hope is extinguished’: CBD patients respond to Salt Path...
The real Salt Path | The Observer (The Slow Newscast)
Links to more Observer videos can be found in an early post of this new thread and here: Observer YouTube Channel: The Observer UK - YouTube
Working timeline and references: can be found in early posts of this new Thread 17.
Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement: Raynor Winn
Thread One ^www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5368194-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?^
Threads 2-11: Links all in the OP of Thread 12
Thread 12: www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5384574-thread-12-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?
Threads 13-14: Links in the OP of Thread 15
Thread 15:Thread 15: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film? | Mumsnet
Thread 16: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5395002-thread-16-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse are welcome. It would be helpful to get the background from at least some of the Observer items above before posting.
To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Remember, even Hollywood rabbits attract the odd flea. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. We have done amazingly well together for sixteen very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

Yes, it really is Thread 17. I'm as in need of smelling salts as the next person.

We seek them here, we seek them there, mumsnetters seek them everywhere: just where are the elusive How not to Dal dy Dir and On Winter Hill?

#handwavium #appropriation

Keep to the path. No saltiness. May the fudge be with you.

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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DisappointedReader · 02/09/2025 13:45

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DisappointedReader · 02/09/2025 13:53

Observer videos:

Shock and anger: the real people in 'The Salt Path': Uncovering The Salt Path live event:
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DisappointedReader · 02/09/2025 13:56

TIMELINE PART ONE – 1960 to July 2013
With thanks to FurryHappyKittens et al

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1960
Timothy Ronald Walker born in Burton-upon-Trent Registration District (FreeBMD)
1962
Sally Ann Winn born in Melton Mowbray Registration District (FreeBMD)
Early 1980s
Tim Walker and Sally Winn meet at college (The Salt Path, 2018)
1986
Timothy Ronald Walker, a plasterer from Burton-upon-Trent, and Sally Ann Winn, a clerical officer from Dunstall, marry on Skye. Timothy’s father was a Master Plasterer, and Sally’s a Farm Stockman (Scotland’s People)
c. 1988 – c. 1991
Sally Walker states she worked at the local court in the fines department, worked her way up, then was offered the opportunity to study; she completed two years of a law degree, whilst working full time and having two children, as well as renovating their house, and growing vegetables (Career Interrupted podcast, No money No home No plan…, 19 June 2025)
1980s/90s
Tim Walker an eco-activist according to Sally Walker (Independent, The Salt Path One woman’s journey…, 23 August 2018)
Early 1990s
Sally Walker says Tim invested in a friend’s property portfolio (Raynor Winn website, Sally Walker’s statement, July 2025)
? – 1994
Tim Walker states he was working as Master Plasterer for family business in Staffordshire; wife Sally Walker was a Law Clerk from Gwynedd (BBC Wales North West, The life of a garden, captured 7 September 2004)
1994
Tim Walker says he and Sally left their jobs, sold their house in Staffordshire due to young son wandering into road where they live, and moved to rented house in Criccieth (BBC Wales North West, The life of a garden, captured 7 September 2004)
1994
Walkers bought ‘dilapidated’ Pen y Maes, and Tim, mentioning a botany degree, began volunteering at the National Trust’s Plas yn Rhiw garden (BBC Wales North West, The life of a garden, captured 7 September 2004)
1995
Tim Walker employed as gardener at Plas yn Rhiw (BBC Wales North West, The life of a garden, captured 7 September 2004)
Late 1990s
Ros Hemmings states she met Tim Walker when he was the gardener at Plas yn Rhiw, and she worked in the house there (Observer, The Slow Newscast, The real Salt Path, 29 July 2025)
Early 2000s
Tim Walker was head gardener at Plas yn Rhiw (The Daily Mail, Couple whose memoir inspired hit film, btl comment by Pwhlleli local, 6 July 2025)
c. 2000/02 (date not confirmed as Ros Hemmings unsure of exact date)
Ros Hemmings states Sally Walker told her she had been made redundant from a hotel in Abersoch (Observer, ‘She broke the trust’ video, 6 July 2025)
c. 2000/02 (date not confirmed as per above)
Ros Hemmings says Sally Walker began working part time for her husband Martin Hemmings in Pwllheli (Observer, ‘She broke the trust’ video, 6 July 2025)
2004
Tim Walker worked at Plas yn Rhiw (BBC Wales North West, The life of a garden, captured 7 September 2004)
2004
Tim Walker, his brother, and their families, photographed by local resident at Village du Dropt property (The Daily Mail, The Salt Path secret, 15 July 2025)
c. 2004
Ros Hemmings states that Tim Walker left his job at Plas yn Rhiw in ‘I think, 2004’ (Observer ‘The Slow Newscast’ podcast, 29 July 2025)
2007
Tim Walker bought the house at Village du Dropt, with a little land. The property was run down but habitable at this time according to a local resident (Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025) Pigeonnier owned by his brother (The Daily Mail, The Salt Path secret, 15 July 2025)
c. Easter 2008
Martin and Ros Hemmings discovered potential embezzlement of £9000 (Observer, ‘She broke the trust’ video, 6 July 2025)
2008
Sally Walker repayed ‘several thousands’ to the Hemmings (Observer, ‘She broke the trust’ video, 6 July 2025) She said Martin Hemmings had lent her the money (Observer ‘The Slow Newscast’ podcast, 29 July 2025)
2008
The Hemmings discovered more serious potential embezzlement of over £60,000, and went to the police (Observer, ‘She broke the trust’ video, 6 July 2025); the amount was between £60,000 and £70,000 (Observer ‘The Slow Newscast’ podcast, 29 July 2025)
2008
Sally Walker arrested and bailed, with instructions to return to the police station the following day. She disappeared. (Observer, ‘She broke the trust’ video, 6 July 2025) According to a source, her car was apparently found abandoned in Llandudno (The Times, The Salt Path scandal: what Raynor Winn’s former neighbours think, 11 July 2025)
2008
Sally Walker loaned £100,000 at 18% pa by Tim’s relative “James” with house as collateral (Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025); Sally Walker says she was loaned £100,000 by “Cooper”, an old friend, at 18% pa with house as collateral (Raynor Winn website, Sally Walker’s statement, July 2025)
2008
Stolen money returned to Martin Hemmings, who dropped the case (Observer, ‘She broke the trust’ video, 6 July 2025); Hemmings agreed to an NDA (Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025)
2008/09
“James”’ business went bust (Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025)
c. 2009/2010
Loan transferred to two creditors of “James” (Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025)
January 2010
Pen y Maes listed for sale for £395,000 (Zoopla)
March 2011
Pen y Maes on the market for £435,000 (Escape to the Country TV show)
2011-14
At least five county court judgements against the Walkers (Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025)
March 2012
Gangani Publishing Ltd was set up with Tim Walker as Director and Tim Walker and Sally Walker as joint shareholders (Companies House)
2012
Gangani published How Not to Dal dy Dir by Izzy Wyn-Thomas (Sally Walker). Those who bought the book told they were entered into a prize draw to win a house in Wales‘free from mortgage or any other legal…charge’ (Observer ‘The Slow Newscast’ podcast, 29 July 2025; Gangani Publishing, 2012)
February 2012
Creditors called in the loan, then exceeding £150,000. Judge ordered payment within 12 months or house would be repossessed (Observer, The Salt Path what’s in the book and what The Observer has found, 6 July 2025)
2012
Martin Hemmings died (Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025)
2013
Sally Walker says they were told by clinicians that Tim ‘probably wouldn’t last two years’ (Independent, The Salt Path One woman’s journey…, 23 August 2018)
2013
Sally Walker says she refunded those who had entered the prize draw (Raynor Winn website, Sally Walker’s statement, July 2025)
June 2013
Pen y Maes repossessed (The Salt Path, 2018); The Walkers left under cover of darkness according to a local farmer (The Times, The Salt Path scandal: what Raynor Winn’s former neighbours think, 11 July 2025); The Walkers hid under the stairs as the bailiffs arrived (The Salt Path, 2018)
July 2013
Gangani Publishing Ltd dissolved (Companies House)

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DisappointedReader · 02/09/2025 13:58

TIMELINE PART TWO – August 2013 to present
With thanks to FurryHappyKittens et al

Please do not quote this post in full!!!

Early August 2013
Sally Walker states her and Tim began a walk along the SWCP one Thursday (The Salt Path, 2018)
29 August – 17 September 2013
Simon Armitage walked from Minehead to Land’s End (Guardian, Simon Armitage to walk south-west coast path, 19 February 2013)
17 September 2013
Sally and Tim Walker’s son drove them from Cornwall to Bristol (Observer, Shock and anger: the real people in The Salt Path, 13 August 2025)
October 2013
According to Sally Walker first part of walk ended at Polruan (The Salt Path, 2018)
Mid July – early September 2014
Walk recommenced at Poole, and concluded at Polruan, according to Sally Walker (The Salt Path, 2018)
September 2014 – 2018
According to Sally Walker, she and Tim lived in a flat in Polruan (The Wild Silence)
22 January 2015
Sally Walker’s mother dies in Staffordshire (FindMyPast)
6 February 2015
Sally and Tim Walker’s son helps them move (Observer, Shock and anger: the real people in The Salt Path, 13 August 2025)
25 June 2015
Tim Walker diagnosed with possible corticobasal syndrome symptoms (CBS), although these symptoms are ‘indolent’ and ‘mild’ (Raynor Winn website, medical letters, released July 2025)
8 August 2015
Joanne and David Parson meet the Walkers at the Fat Apples Café, near Porthallow, an event that, according to Sally Walker in The Salt Path, took place in summer 2013 (Observer, We thought: it can’t be the Salt Path couple…, 9 August 2025)
Autumn 2015
Tim Walker began either a horticulture HND or degree, with full student loan funding for a first undergraduate qualification (Falmouth Packet, Eden students take award winning garden to Hampton Court Flower Show, 8 July 2016; The Salt Path, 2018)
2016
“James” died (Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025)
25 July 2016
Pen y Maes sold for £280,000 to Maxine Farrimond (Land Registry; Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025)
July 2016
Farrimond started receiving letters: debt collection agencies, speeding fines, credit card bills and other unpaid bills addressed to the Walkers (Observer, The real Salt Path, 5 July 2025)
February 2017
Walkers travelled to Iceland for walking holiday (Raynor Winn Instagram)
6 May 2017
Sally Walker as Raynor Winn emails the Big Issue regarding a potential article (Big Issue, Gillian Anderson, Jason Isaacs, and The Salt Path author Raynor Winn on homelessness and the human spirit, 30 May 2025)
10 July 2017
Sally Walker’s article published in the Big Issue; at that time she stated she hadn’t yet found a publisher (Big Issue, Gillian Anderson, Jason Isaacs, and The Salt Path author Raynor Winn on homelessness and the human spirit, 30 May 2025)
‘a few weeks’ after 10 July 2017
Sally Walker states she had approached an agent who had responded within a day, and they were currently arranging to contact potential publishers (Big Issue, Gillian Anderson, Jason Isaacs, and The Salt Path author Raynor Winn on homelessness and the human spirit, 30 May 2025)
January 2019
The Walkers move to Bill Cole’s cider farm (The Wild Silence, 2020)
22 March 2018
Hardback publication of The Salt Path
2018
“Moth”’s real name was Ray (Independent, The Salt Path One woman’s journey…, 23 August 2018)
September 2019
Walkers walked in Iceland (The Wild Silence, 2020)
17 October 2019
Consultant suggested Tim Walker’s illness may have been something else, a ‘more unusual disorder’ (Raynor Winn website, medical letters, released July 2025)
3 September 2020
Hardback publication of The Wild Silence
21 May 2021 – 15 September 2021
Sally Walker states her and Tim walked the length of Britain on various long distance footpaths (Raynor Winn Instagram; Landlines, 2022)
October 2021
Tim Walker told Bill Cole that consultant advised not to plan past Christmas (Observer, ‘I felt I was being gaslit’, July 2025)
Winter 2021
Sally Walker states that two scans taken before and after their walk of various UK long distance paths showed that pre-walk recorded damage to Tim’s brain had disappeared by the post-walk second scan, which had ‘a normal reading’ (Landlines, 2022)
15 September 2022
Hardback publication of Landlines
Late September 2022
Bill Cole read in Landlines about Tim Walker’s normal brain scan results in late 2021 (Observer, ‘I felt I was being gaslit’, July 2025)
October 2022
A few weeks after Bill Cole read the book, Rick Stein filmed at Haye Farm (Observer, ‘I felt I was being gaslit’, July 2025)
November/December 2022
Shortly after filming, the Walkers left Bill Cole’s farm for pastures new (Observer, ‘I felt I was being gaslit’, July 2025)
14 February 2023
Series 3, Episode 2 of Rick Stein’s Cornwall aired, featuring the Walkers as cider farm entrepreneurs (BBC 2, Rick Stein’s Cornwall)
24 April 2023
Sally & Tim Walker walked the London Marathon (Raynor Winn’s Instagram)
7 April 2024 – 18 April 2024
Sally & Tim Walker walked The Thames Path (Raynor Winn’s Instagram)
5 July 2025
Observer began publishing articles by investigative journalist Chloe Hadjimatheou (Observer, The real Salt Path collection, July 2025)

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DisappointedReader · 02/09/2025 14:01

TIMELINE PART THREE – Links to references
With thanks to FurryHappyKittens et al

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BBC 2, Rick Stein’s Cornwall, 14 February 2023: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001j82s
BBC Wales North West, The life of a garden, 7 September 2004: https://archive.ph/6KXzq
Big Issue, Gillian Anderson, Jason Isaacs, and The
Salt Path author Raynor Winn on homelessness and the human spirit, 30 May 2025:
https://www.bigissue.com/culture/film/the-salt-path-raynor-winn-gillian-anderson-jason-isaacs-interview/
Falmouth Packet, Eden students take award winning garden to Hampton Court Flower Show, 8 July 2016: https://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/14607378.eden-students-take-award-winning-garden-to-hampton-court-flower-show/
FindMyPast: https://www.findmypast.co.uk
FreeBMD: https://www.freebmd.org.uk/
Career Interrupted podcast, No money No home No plan…, 19 June 2025: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/career-interrupted/e283no-home-no-money-no-plan-URg9c06YKIW/?t=58
Land Registry, LL53 6YA: https://landregistry.data.gov.uk/data/ppi/transaction/3B7E0B90-8B85-EA99-E050-A8C062057E77/current
Scotland’s People: https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
The Daily Mail, Couple whose memoir inspired hit film, 6 July 2025: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14880299/couple-memoir-Salt-Path-film-Gillian-Anderson-Jason-Isaacs.html
The Daily Mail, The Salt Path secret, 15 July 2025: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14904933/French-property-Salt-Path.html
The Guardian, Simon Armitage to walk south-west coast path, 19 February 2013: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/feb/19/simon-armitage-south-west-coast-poetry
The Independent, The Salt Path one woman’s journey…, 23 August 2018: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/the-salt-path-book-journey-walking-coast-path-cornwall-devon-homelessness-a8502256.html#comments-area
The Times, The Salt Path scandal: what Raynor Winn’s former neighbours think, 11 July 2025
https://archive.ph/g3sOO
Zoopla, Pen y Maes, Y Ffor, Pwllheli, Gwynedd, LL53 6YA: https://www.zoopla.co.uk/property/uprn/10070273056/

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DisappointedReader · 02/09/2025 14:05

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DoubtfulCat · 02/09/2025 18:31

Ooh first here

oldmanandtheangel · 02/09/2025 19:52

second! Fudgin' 'ell...

mauvishagain · 02/09/2025 19:56

<waves at everyone> Placemarking and thank you to our sterling organisers!

Peladon · 02/09/2025 20:34

Someone said that these threads are coming to their end and we should be careful on the stairs.*

But I'm not willing to give up on them so easily. I'm going to drag you all on a huge walk, where we are all mean and steal things, and then the threads will miraculously return to their full mothly vigour.

*Unless mistakes were made and I'm describing a statement which will be made two years in the future.

Debsthegardener · 02/09/2025 20:53

I’m still here although been shirking my duties as wild pooing co-correspondent 😅. Thanks DR

Pissenlit · 02/09/2025 23:03

Peladon · 02/09/2025 20:34

Someone said that these threads are coming to their end and we should be careful on the stairs.*

But I'm not willing to give up on them so easily. I'm going to drag you all on a huge walk, where we are all mean and steal things, and then the threads will miraculously return to their full mothly vigour.

*Unless mistakes were made and I'm describing a statement which will be made two years in the future.

I refuse to camp, but will happily earn my keep by playing a yachting type in an expensive jacket shrieking ‘Are you DRUNK?Are you a drunk TRAMP??’ And will also take walk-on parts as a dog-walker who drags my pet pooch away from you, or a hippy campsite manager who has the temerity to ask you to pay.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 02/09/2025 23:28

<waves slightly soggy headless cardboard Simon Armitage in acknowledgement of safe arrival on the shores of Thread 17>

AncientHarpy · 03/09/2025 09:10

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 02/09/2025 23:28

<waves slightly soggy headless cardboard Simon Armitage in acknowledgement of safe arrival on the shores of Thread 17>

Did you make him swim? ShockSmile

(I was YarrowYarrow on the last thread.)

Words · 03/09/2025 09:13

.

TonstantWeader · 03/09/2025 09:29

Debsthegardener · 02/09/2025 20:53

I’m still here although been shirking my duties as wild pooing co-correspondent 😅. Thanks DR

Don't worry, @Debsthegardener, the Wild Pooing Rovering Correspondent has been making up for you both , let's just say.......

Hello everyone, and thanks again, @DisappointedReader for going above and beyond on the marshalling front 😍

<skips back to Thread 16 a la fotherington-tomas. hullo clouds, hullo sky, hullo fudge>

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 03/09/2025 09:39

AncientHarpy · 03/09/2025 09:10

Did you make him swim? ShockSmile

(I was YarrowYarrow on the last thread.)

I used him as a flotation device. Simon Armitage is surprisingly buoyant, even in cardboard form.

Peladon · 03/09/2025 09:49

Like several others, I joined Mumsnet because of this impressive, interesting, thoughtful, collaborative and friendly discussion. Thank you @DisappointedReader and the many others who have made this (and continue to make it) such a positive experience

Freshsocks · 03/09/2025 10:00

Good morning all, so pleased to be joining you all again, thank you @DisappointedReader 💐

DorsetWaver · 03/09/2025 12:13

I too rejoined Mumsnet because of this thread. It has been like evesdropping on a very intellegent, witty and erudite book group.
So, a silly/not serious but maybe (!) suggestion, could anyone make it into a book?😉There are lots of similarities to you know what...
It has been a journey of sorts. From the inital innocent AIBU question of @DisappointedReader, the help and hindrance of the characters met along the way, the numorous fudges and "mistakes", the ups and downs of the revelations, and finally with the path running out, the wish that it would go on and on......Oh and SA to make the ladies swoon. Just need a health angle!

Uricon2 · 03/09/2025 12:53

I watched the film of The Thursday Murder Club the other day, hadn't read the book so no disappointment and it actually made me think of these threads (the atmosphere rather than the killings!) In a world (not just MN) that is increasingly dominated by AI and vicious squabbling like small bitey creatures in a sack, it has been lovely to have a space for discussion, diversions and humour. The threads have also lightened some rather dark times healthwise (I knew I was deep in when I checked for new Observer material while running a temp of 42 and basically off my head)

I'm determined to be well enough to keep up on the charabanc trip!

Thanks to @DisappointedReader and all of you Flowers

UpfromSomerset · 03/09/2025 12:59

DorsetWaver · 03/09/2025 12:13

I too rejoined Mumsnet because of this thread. It has been like evesdropping on a very intellegent, witty and erudite book group.
So, a silly/not serious but maybe (!) suggestion, could anyone make it into a book?😉There are lots of similarities to you know what...
It has been a journey of sorts. From the inital innocent AIBU question of @DisappointedReader, the help and hindrance of the characters met along the way, the numorous fudges and "mistakes", the ups and downs of the revelations, and finally with the path running out, the wish that it would go on and on......Oh and SA to make the ladies swoon. Just need a health angle!

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Not silly at all IMHO!
I've been wondering a) what to do with my copy of TSP plus a pile of newspaper cuttings dating from 6th July and b) whether this rather sad saga will, in the fullness of time, be added to the list of "literary hoaxes". (Which, BTW, in my ignorance I had to google, and found there are quite a few listed.)
Setting aside the frauds/hoaxes deliberately set up for financial gain, there have been many in the past where the originator (usually male) has failed to gain recognition (in their specialist field whether pro or amateur) e.g. the Piltdown man/van Meegeren's Vermeer forgeries. I believe in both examples the hoaxer thought "I'll show them" and in both examples very nearly "got away with it"!
So in writing TSP did SW seek recognition as a "failed writer" (HNTDDD) or was the idea purely to make money? Or perhaps both?

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 03/09/2025 14:00

UpfromSomerset · 03/09/2025 12:59

Not silly at all IMHO!
I've been wondering a) what to do with my copy of TSP plus a pile of newspaper cuttings dating from 6th July and b) whether this rather sad saga will, in the fullness of time, be added to the list of "literary hoaxes". (Which, BTW, in my ignorance I had to google, and found there are quite a few listed.)
Setting aside the frauds/hoaxes deliberately set up for financial gain, there have been many in the past where the originator (usually male) has failed to gain recognition (in their specialist field whether pro or amateur) e.g. the Piltdown man/van Meegeren's Vermeer forgeries. I believe in both examples the hoaxer thought "I'll show them" and in both examples very nearly "got away with it"!
So in writing TSP did SW seek recognition as a "failed writer" (HNTDDD) or was the idea purely to make money? Or perhaps both?

The thing is that SW couldn't have known that TSP was going to take off. It might just have been another failed writing venture - after all it's just a story about two middle class, middle aged people going on a walk. There's health issues (likely manufactured) and financial crisis (self inflicted), which are the bits that add the 'story'. The rest is just a walk. So if SW added Moth's rather over-massaged health problems and fudged the whole 'we lost our house' stuff to increase reader engagement, it was a good move. But that good move might prove to be her undoing.

Uricon2 · 03/09/2025 15:46

(I knew I was deep in when I checked for new Observer material while running a temp of 42 and basically off my head)

In the interests of total honesty, when it was 42, all I really remember managing was stabbing gormlessly at my phone screen before it was removed so they could do more tests and examinations, but the will was there.

MistMountain · 03/09/2025 17:08

Uricon2 · 03/09/2025 15:46

(I knew I was deep in when I checked for new Observer material while running a temp of 42 and basically off my head)

In the interests of total honesty, when it was 42, all I really remember managing was stabbing gormlessly at my phone screen before it was removed so they could do more tests and examinations, but the will was there.

Too funny!!!!!

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