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Thread 22 : To feel disappointed - and now disgusted too - after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 05/01/2026 19:13

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The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

First thread: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film? | Mumsnet

Links to threads 2-16, the other 20 Observer articles and videos to date, Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement, our timeline and sources can all be accessed in the OP and first few posts of Thread 17: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5403285-thread-17-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

Links to threads 18-20 can be found in the OP of Thread 21: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5460943-thread-21-to-feel-disappointed-and-now-disgusted-too-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

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New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse are welcome. It would be helpful to get the background from at least some of the Observer exposé items before posting.
To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Remember, even Hollywood rabbits attract the odd flea. Please do not engage with drive-by scolders and ploppers who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. Over 6 months we have done amazingly well together for 21 very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

After 21,000 posts there are still new things to look out for on the path ahead:

  • Observer Newsroom: The Real Salt Path Story, Thursday 8th January 2026 6.30-7.30pm. More information and to book via this link observer.co.uk/our-events/the-real-salt-path-story
  • Podcast series from The Observer's award-winning Investigative Journalist Chloe Hadjimatheou, 13th January 2026
  • BBC Podcast (NB Not involving Our Chloe)

Keep to the path, no saltiness, eat fudge and drink cider.

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BeaveringBrandy · 15/01/2026 09:04

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 15/01/2026 08:37

Ah, thank you. I'm at a bit of a disadvantage without listening to the podcasts. So did Sally not even think to discuss it with Tim? Because if she made such a decision (about letting strangers basically in on what they were doing) unilaterally without even talking over the implications with Tim, does that not say that their relationship was not one of the 'cowed and submissive' Sally always being in thrall to Tim and his whims? She must have thought he would be all right with it, and if the couple turning up was such a surprise that Tim lost his cool, that would imply that she just never even mentioned it to him subsequently.

Which would be strange behaviour, I mean I would at least mention it to my SO if someone was going to come and live very close on my land and I had given permission for it to happen. THAT would surely have been when Tim would spit out the dummy and they could have phoned Bill and given him some do doubt pathetic excuse about needing privacy or something. But they didn't, so I have to assume that Bill okayed it with Sal - who just, what, never mentioned it?

Ep. 3
I listened carefully to this - because I think we would have all heard this and thought of it as a significant episode.

Chloe said that Raynor has given her tacit agreement. When Bill and the couple arrive Moth is furious - he comes out shouting in a rage.

Bill, confused, contacts Raynor to say that I know you aren't delighted this couple are back but I thought Moth's reception was not in keeping ...

BeaveringBrandy · 15/01/2026 09:14

@Peladon I am so sorry to hear how close you have been to the falsehoods perpetuated by this deeply unpleasant 'brand'.

Thanks for sharing - you are always making me laugh! ⭐

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 15/01/2026 09:14

@BeaveringBrandy - I do feel disadvantaged without hearing the podcasts, so I'm relying on people like you to put these things straight in my head for me - thank you!

So does the general reaction imply that Sal never mentioned it to Tim? Or that she did and Tim felt unable to get angry with Sal, so took it out on Bill? Because there's a lot in this about interpersonal relationships and I fear I'm not getting it because I haven't heard the podcasts...but I don't want to miss out.

It's a bit like joining in a a game of Chinese Whispers when you are standing at the back of the room at the moment. But I'm getting there...

BeaveringBrandy · 15/01/2026 09:24

Ep. 3
@Vroomfondleswaistcoat I have presented this as reported speech - which is also how Chloe was presenting it. The background to this, and still the current situation, is that Bill saw himself as a friend and has been deeply hurt. Chloe does say that she is speaking his words as he did not chose to take part in the podcast - he felt hounded by Daily Mail and BBC reporters - but she says that she feels it is the hurt that is the main thing.

DreamyHiker · 15/01/2026 09:36

DoubtfulCat · 14/01/2026 20:21

@Anythingbutheadlands i keep my seat in the charabanc warm because it’s such an entertaining and erudite crew, the most enjoyable thread on MN by at least a Salt Path of miles.

And because I hate injustice, scams and greed. I really want it all to come out and them to be shamed for what they’ve done- to ill people and their loved ones, who were given false hope and also victim blamed. To their families and to those who have befriended them. To memoirists (anyone else note Clover Stroud’s contribution?) and to us, the public, already doubting so much in this age of misinformation and already so overwhelmed with toxic news, to find a heartwarming true story was anything but.

And I recognise the charismatic grifter. I’ve worked with/for several before, had the misfortune to be in a relationship with one, and usually the grift is stealing credit for other people’s ideas or unseen labour; or stealing time from people, and/or their emotional investment, or their joy. This time the grift may have been all these things and then huge sums of money on top.

I also recognise the miserable sods who never appreciate what others do for them because they feel entitled to it anyway!

Quite frankly crime of that nature deserves prison sentences, and many receive lengthy ones for much less. My guess is that we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg and there may well be other crimes such as benefit fraud, fraudulent mortgage applications etc.etc.

DreamyHiker · 15/01/2026 09:44

DreamyHiker · 15/01/2026 09:36

Quite frankly crime of that nature deserves prison sentences, and many receive lengthy ones for much less. My guess is that we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg and there may well be other crimes such as benefit fraud, fraudulent mortgage applications etc.etc.

And Penguin should have very serious concerns about benefitting from the "proceeds of crime" and do the decent thing and cut all links immediately.

BeaveringBrandy · 15/01/2026 09:52

DreamyHiker · 15/01/2026 09:44

And Penguin should have very serious concerns about benefitting from the "proceeds of crime" and do the decent thing and cut all links immediately.

I agree with you and can't understand why they have done nothing. This was on MSN from the Irish Independent:

In July, Observer journalist Chloe Hadjimatheou reported that Winn and her apparently terminally ill husband Moth (real names Sally and Timothy Walker) had greatly exaggerated their backstory, and omitted fundamental facts entirely. This resulted in a surge in book sales and an excellent Sky Documentaries feature film, The Salt Path Scandal. Now there’s The Walkers: The Real Salt Path (Apple, Pocket Casts, Spotify), Hadjimatheou’s “definitive wrap up” of her investigation.
Raynor/Moth have yet to officially argue their side of the story and as “Winn” remains with her publisher, Penguin, you suspect their biggest bestseller is yet to come. In the meantime, if you’ve been intrigued by Hadjimatheou’s headlines so far, check this out.

I feel so troubled at this prediction. These are not victimless crimes.

Innermagnolia · 15/01/2026 09:54

@Vroomfondleswaistcoat
Ep 3
Other listeners to the podcasts please correct me.
I got the impression that Bill was trying to find a way forward with the farm that allowed for TW to have all pressure taken off him. They had been discussing being in business together. BC put TW’s wellbeing at the forefront of all his decisions but the farm was losing a lot of money. Decisions had to be made and the couple brought in to make the cider. He did know that this wasn’t really welcome but thought he had SW’s tacit agreement. BC was extremely kind and generous to the Walker/Winns. It is quite heartbreaking to hear how he was completely shat upon by them. He must be so hurt.
As for TW, maybe he just forgot they were coming? Memory problems and all - I jest! Maybe SW just hoped it wouldn’t happen or was busy gestating her next scheme? I suspect that there were probably a lot of discussions between BC and SW about TW because he was supposedly too ill to be further stressed.

ItsNotYourUsername · 15/01/2026 10:01

EP 3

“Soon after that, Bill suggested to Raynor and Moth that he could bring people in for the harvest and to make the cider. But Raynor told him that Moth's pride was hurt by that, and so Bill dropped it immediately. Things carried on into the spring pretty much as before.”

From The Walkers: The real Salt Path | Tortoise Investigates: Cider at Haye | The Walkers Ep3, 12 Jan 2026
podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-walkers-the-real-salt-path-tortoise-investigates/id1590561275?i=1000744816683&r=1438
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ItsNotYourUsername · 15/01/2026 10:04

ep 3
“When I spoke to him about all this, Bill told me that at first his reaction to the book was just horror. That perhaps the demands of the farm had left Moth in the state described at the start of the book, where he's lying in his own urine. Bill couldn't bear the idea that Moth might feel obliged to take on more than he can cope with, so he decided to take action.
He brought in a young couple who could take over the cider making while living on the farm in a caravan. That way Moth and Raynor could continue to live on the farm and focus on Moth's health. Raynor gave Bill her tacit agreement to this, but when he arrives at Hay Farm with the young cider makers, Moth is furious.
He comes out of the farmhouse shouting. Bill told me it was really terrifying. Moth looked like a different person, he said.
His eyes were blank and he was in a rage. Bill fled. When he gathered his thoughts, he wrote to Raynor.”

From The Walkers: The real Salt Path | Tortoise Investigates: Cider at Haye | The Walkers Ep3, 12 Jan 2026
podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-walkers-the-real-salt-path-tortoise-investigates/id1590561275?i=1000744816683&r=1719
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SimonArmpit · 15/01/2026 10:05

Peladon · 15/01/2026 08:52

A close family member had a partner who passed away from a neurodegenrative disease. In the partner's last months, the close family member kept talking about SW's books: I could see that she was sometimes feeling a desperate hope (could she take him on a massive walk and cure him?) and sometimes regretting that he was now clearly far too ill to do the massive walk by which might have been able to fix him. It clearly affected her. I (naively) didn't disbelieve the premise of the cure, but just pointed out that in practice there was no chance of him being able to do the necessary massive hike given that he couldn't walk two paces.

Then CH's story broke, and I realised that th3 "cure" was probably a crock, and how much physical and psychological harm fabricating such a story could cause to extremely vulnerable people.

That's what brought me here. I had not previously joined mumsnet or anything similar.

I stayed because of the stories gradually coming out, the thoughtful analysis, the fact that there was so much information (in the books and online) that we could do genuine and useful sleuthing, and the warmth and kindness (not meant ironically) of this lovely group of people.

Also because, in a world where lying, shabbiness and corporate greed has become so common, this was an instance where there was a possibility of the truth prevailing.

There remain loose ends (were Dave and Julie made up, questions regarding benefits, what will SW and TW say, when will the mis-selling stop etc), and I won't be signing out of Mumsnet just yet, but this has felt like a monumental week.

I want to thank the OP and everyone else on this forum. And of course, Our Chloe for listening to the apparently wacky first approach and following up on it so tenaciously. In a world that feels increasingly dark, this has been a real glimmer of light.

I echo those sentiments!

Regarding the benefits, if TW only started receiving PIP sometime between Sept 2013- June 2015, this suggests that they may have been getting far more than £30-48pw when they walked bits of SWCP in 2015/16 and may help explain the margin comments in PD's SWCP about feasting on (pricey) mackerel salad at the Lamorna Cove cafe (conveniently omitted in TSP. PIP is paid monthly, so the jeapordy of weekly ATM withdrawals between LE and Poole is likely fictional.

As far as Dave and Julie go, I'm convinced they do exist and believe its possible that they first met next to an icecream van near Tyneham Gap:

  • there are IG photos of D&J from the Iceland walk

  • there are in IG photos on the PSPA Thames Path walk in 2014

  • there is an IG photo of Sal's tent on Chesil beach in the shadow of an adjacent tent which could be D&J's before the tent poles snapped the next day and Dave mended it with gaffer tape and pliers (which he conveniently had in his rucksack!)

  • Apparentlt PD met Raymoth with D&J at a talk Sal gave at the Kendal Mountain Festival in 2011

As to when they met D&J, I strongly suspect this was during the summer of 2016, not July 2014 as described in TSP.

Priorlake · 15/01/2026 10:12

Bill Cole's described Tim's blank-eyed rage in a politely puzzled / concerned email to Salray as 'un-Mothlike'. Very telling to me, suggests a mask being momentarily lifted...

SimonArmpit · 15/01/2026 10:17

SimonArmpit · 15/01/2026 10:05

I echo those sentiments!

Regarding the benefits, if TW only started receiving PIP sometime between Sept 2013- June 2015, this suggests that they may have been getting far more than £30-48pw when they walked bits of SWCP in 2015/16 and may help explain the margin comments in PD's SWCP about feasting on (pricey) mackerel salad at the Lamorna Cove cafe (conveniently omitted in TSP. PIP is paid monthly, so the jeapordy of weekly ATM withdrawals between LE and Poole is likely fictional.

As far as Dave and Julie go, I'm convinced they do exist and believe its possible that they first met next to an icecream van near Tyneham Gap:

  • there are IG photos of D&J from the Iceland walk

  • there are in IG photos on the PSPA Thames Path walk in 2014

  • there is an IG photo of Sal's tent on Chesil beach in the shadow of an adjacent tent which could be D&J's before the tent poles snapped the next day and Dave mended it with gaffer tape and pliers (which he conveniently had in his rucksack!)

  • Apparentlt PD met Raymoth with D&J at a talk Sal gave at the Kendal Mountain Festival in 2011

As to when they met D&J, I strongly suspect this was during the summer of 2016, not July 2014 as described in TSP.

Kendal Mtn festival in 2020

Freshsocks · 15/01/2026 10:24

BeaveringBrandy · 15/01/2026 09:04

Ep. 3
I listened carefully to this - because I think we would have all heard this and thought of it as a significant episode.

Chloe said that Raynor has given her tacit agreement. When Bill and the couple arrive Moth is furious - he comes out shouting in a rage.

Bill, confused, contacts Raynor to say that I know you aren't delighted this couple are back but I thought Moth's reception was not in keeping ...

I'm sorry @Vroomfondleswaistcoat, it was me that put the first post about this, I started the Chinese whispers, I said Bill had talked to them, @BeaveringBrandy is correct, It is only Sally who has given her tacit approval. So Bill had not spoken with them both, just Sally, sorry mistakes were made again. Bill starts by describing Moth's behaviour as very un Mothlike, or that is what my ears heard :)

OnlyAfterwards · 15/01/2026 10:32

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 15/01/2026 09:14

@BeaveringBrandy - I do feel disadvantaged without hearing the podcasts, so I'm relying on people like you to put these things straight in my head for me - thank you!

So does the general reaction imply that Sal never mentioned it to Tim? Or that she did and Tim felt unable to get angry with Sal, so took it out on Bill? Because there's a lot in this about interpersonal relationships and I fear I'm not getting it because I haven't heard the podcasts...but I don't want to miss out.

It's a bit like joining in a a game of Chinese Whispers when you are standing at the back of the room at the moment. But I'm getting there...

BC, having just read LL and discussed it with Ruth Salperton, is terribly distressed that TW has felt under an obligation to do more on the farm than his health could easily cope with, and worries that he has actually caused TW to be in the state described at the start of LL where he's lying in his own urine.

So he decided to take action. He brought in a young couple who could take over the cider-making while living on the farm in a caravan. That way, Moth and Raynor could continue to live on the farm and focus on Moth's health. Raynor gave Bill her tacit agreement to this but when he arrives at Haye Farm with the young cider makers, Moth is furious. He comes out of the farmhouse shouting.

Bill told me 'It was really terrifying.' Moth looked like a different person, he said. His eyes were blank and he was in a rage. Bill fled. When he gathered his thought, he wrote to Raynor. 'Hi Ray, Must admit that I left yesterday confused, and a little upset, so just wondering if Moth is OK, because he was very un-Moth-like. I know you are delighted that this couple are back, but I thought Moth's reception was definitely not in keeping, and slightly bizarre. Hope all ok.'

Raynor was busy and it took several days before she replied. 'Hi Bill, I'm so sorry you were upset. I'm so, so sorry you encountered the side of CBD I try to keep away from everyone. It can last a day, a week, or more. It can take its own shape, which I know how to deal with, but can come as a shock to others who can't understand the complete contrast to the Moth they know.'

But at the end of Ray's new book, Bill had just read that the disease had all but cleared from Moth's brain. What was going on? So he replied Hi Ray, I appreciate your message but my confusion continues. I've now finished Landlines, and although I had an inkling that the health update was positive, and thought it was just truly incredible news, are you suggesting that the final few pages are too positive? I'm aware of the pressures publishers put on writers, and read with caution, but I'm not sure what to conclude. Perhaps some time we just sit down and chat openly, without worrying about books and stuff.'

Raynor never acknowledges this message and they never speak about any of this again, and now, the more Bill thinks about it, the more confused he is. That autumn day when Moth told him he couldn't plan beyond Christmas, that seemed to be right at the same time as Ray's book said they were getting a miraculous brain scan from the doctor. Bill messaged Ruth to ask if he was going crazy. No, she told him, she'd started to go back over everything too, and this gradual sickening feeling was creeping over her.

Ruth then starts rereading the books and making copious notes 'about what made sense and what didn't,' BC likewise, particularly worried because he knows Rick Stein's film crew are about to arrive. BC told Ch he was feeling so 'confused and upset' about the situation that he couldn't bring himself to go to the farm while it was being recorded. CH notes that the processes TW demonstrates to Rick Stein are exactly what the Walkers haven't been doing the whole time they've lived there, and quotes BC as saying that the cider Rick Stein is shown as drinking on tv was 'made by the young couple Ray and Moth strenuously tried to keep away from the farm'.

Two weeks after the RS filming, BC gets an email out of the blue.

'Dear Bill, Moth's health must be our main focus, so it is with great sadness we are giving notice of the ending of our tenancy agreement. I am aware that our arrangement runs for another 12 months, but due to Moth's health considerations, we will be leaving at the earliest opportunity.

BC drove to Haye hoping to say goodbye, but the house was empty, the keys under the mat. A year after they've left, during 2023 Maxine Faramond phones him from Wales, having got the contacts from Companies House, because she's desperate to get the Walkers to do a mail redirect because she's still getting letters about money owed, and once they exchange stories, her first question is 'How much do they owe you?' BC says 'the utilities were left in a bit of a mess' and the lost farm revenue amounted to tens of thousands of pounds, but the emotional cost upsets him the most.

Other things from episode 3, that BC only charged them 'a tiny rent' and had actually been thinking of 'signing the farmhouse over to them permanently', and they'd been planning to go into business together as 'Ray at Haye' (something to do with rewilding). That he'd felt their paths were due to cross after he read TSP, as he'd been conned out of money and his wife had been diagnosed with cancer.

That he'd proposed bringing in the young cider-making couple before, but SW had told him that 'Moth's pride was hurt by that' so he dropped it. Also that BC had suggested that he meet them and walk with them for a day or two on the LL walk (it seems out of concern for their wellbeing) but that 'they didn't seem keen' so he dropped the suggestion.

Ruth Salperton disputes the portrayal of Haye as desolate and overfarmed. She also says the description of Bill in TWS as city slicker struck her as 'unkind' and that she asked him about it and he said 'Oh, publishing demands certain things' -- CH also describes BC as walking around Haye in cardigans full of holes and ancient slippers.

ETA Bolded bits are direct transcriptions from podcast.

Freshsocks · 15/01/2026 10:40

Thank you @OnlyAfterwards, your post is more trustworthy than my ears. At one point, we had a correspondent who knew about the sales figures for TSP, does anyone know if Chloe's investigations have caused an increase in sales, has that continued, or was it just a spike in sales that dropped again?

BeaveringBrandy · 15/01/2026 10:47

DisappointedReader · 13/01/2026 17:57

We may well be ok but as I'm going to be unavailable now for the rest of the evening at least, here's the next thread just in case. As always please, no posts at all on the new thread until this current thread is full, and if at least one person will repost this link close to the end of this thread that would be a great help.

Thread 23 : To feel disappointed - and now disgusted too - after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film? | Mumsnet

A last thought from me for the moment. After listening to some of The Walkers: The real Salt Path podcast episodes from The Observer today my thoughts are even more with the victims. I also believe that the publishers, agent and prizegivers must now act and be seen to act.

I am posting this so that we can all relax and ....beaver away ...

SimonArmpit · 15/01/2026 10:49

Freshsocks · 15/01/2026 10:40

Thank you @OnlyAfterwards, your post is more trustworthy than my ears. At one point, we had a correspondent who knew about the sales figures for TSP, does anyone know if Chloe's investigations have caused an increase in sales, has that continued, or was it just a spike in sales that dropped again?

The weekly ST bestseller top 10 list suggested that TSP sales peaked after the film release and declined thereafter with no spike after CH's article first appeared in July. TSP hasn't been in the ST top 10 sales for months (threshold is around 1,950 for No10 on the list). However, TSP continues to fare well in Amazon sales categories like Nature and Travel

Freshsocks · 15/01/2026 10:57

Thank you @SimonArmpit, so why does the woman who worked for PRH, featured in the documentary, I think it is the same woman in the podcast, but I'm not going to state that as fact, keep saying that Chloe's investigation raised the sales of the salt path? Chloe repeats this in the interview shared yesterday.

BeaveringBrandy · 15/01/2026 10:58

SimonArmpit · 15/01/2026 10:49

The weekly ST bestseller top 10 list suggested that TSP sales peaked after the film release and declined thereafter with no spike after CH's article first appeared in July. TSP hasn't been in the ST top 10 sales for months (threshold is around 1,950 for No10 on the list). However, TSP continues to fare well in Amazon sales categories like Nature and Travel

Edited

Thank you that was my, unscientific, analysis - based on a number of different factors.

Richard Osman's gentle reprimand of his podcast co-host, Marina Hyde, when she rushes to order her copy of TSP when they are discussing the controversy.

People who cared enough to find out more often specified they had got a copy second-hand, from a library, etc.

The slow, but markedly steady, rise of the Winn books in charity shops and online outlets.

Ironically, Gillian Anderson topping the bestseller list with her collection of women's sexual fantasies.

I did wonder on what basis the ex-Penguin editor told Chloe that her scoop had sent TSP up the list again. Chloe has then repeated this - but where are the stats?

Freshsocks · 15/01/2026 11:14

The woman who said this has been given a lot of time to offer her opinions about Salray, she seems very cavalier about the whole thing. Why hasn't Chloe checked this fact before repeating it?

SimonArmpit · 15/01/2026 11:18

Freshsocks · 15/01/2026 10:57

Thank you @SimonArmpit, so why does the woman who worked for PRH, featured in the documentary, I think it is the same woman in the podcast, but I'm not going to state that as fact, keep saying that Chloe's investigation raised the sales of the salt path? Chloe repeats this in the interview shared yesterday.

From June 10 to Aug 10 (CH's article appeared on 5 July) weekly TSP sales fell as follows: 14,145/12,290/9,245/7,535/6,235/5,680/3,475/2,095

BeaveringBrandy · 15/01/2026 11:29

Freshsocks · 15/01/2026 11:14

The woman who said this has been given a lot of time to offer her opinions about Salray, she seems very cavalier about the whole thing. Why hasn't Chloe checked this fact before repeating it?

My opinion: it is another legacy of Penguin's wall of silence. Chloe was so pleased to get someone who had worked within the hallowed halls that this person just said what she wanted, unchecked.

I have spotted another minor mistake in a printed copy, the second lot of revelations, but didn't say anything because I was so pleased with the main report.

We are very questioning and searching on here ....

DoubtfulCat · 15/01/2026 11:32

Re the rage. I wonder if Sally felt unable to demur BC’s offer of help without raising suspicion, so agreed. Then whether or not she told Moth, she couldn’t go back and reject the idea without admitting Moth was well enough to work (but too lazy). After that BC started getting too confused and too curious to understand, so first he had to be scared away and then they did another runner.

I’m sure it’s why they’re still renting- they can up and leave at a moment’s notice. You can’t do that if you own somewhere. I suspect they still have secrets to come out.

DoubtfulCat · 15/01/2026 11:32

Ooh did I get the last post!?

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