To think loo roll is not enough

[Makinglasagnatakesages]

Not the nicest subject in the world -sorry!

I live abroad and bathrooms have bidees (spelling) I don’t use these, but always use wet toilet wipes which are said to be easily disposable here and not harmful to the environment
Since doing this it makes me think how normal loo roll paper is pretty gross and just can’t possibly get you properly clean 😬

I coped with periods by washing with soap and water and using tampons.
Coped with childbirth and the aftermath the same way; soap and water.

Had plenty of nappy explosions; again soap and water/a bath/rinse off worked perfectly well. Or lots of wipes if that wasn’t possible.

Plenty of sick and snot etc. Cleaned it up. No big deal.
I’ve had norovirus a few times, we all have.
Vomit and shit everywhere.
Soap/water/bleach.
Not rocket science.

The good thing about shit etc is that it WASHES OFF.

Bum gun is so useful for periods and post childbirth

Yes but the revulsion some people have expressed about their own bodies or being intimate without a full body scrub just feels like they must be constantly hyper -vigilant. It's no way to live and not necessary unless you're immune system is compromised.

And when I changed nappies after my babies had done poos I always held them under the tap to clean their bums, as I was taught in the hospital. Did that until they were too big and wriggly to easily hold under the tap with one hand.

Many cultures have used jugs of water for centuries post-toileting and still do. Do you think they all have bowel issues and eat a poor diet?

Yes but the revulsion some people have expressed about their own bodies or being intimate without a full body scrub just feels like they must be constantly hyper -vigilant. It's no way to live and not necessary unless you're immune system is compromised. When tissue paper comes away clean having been pressed hard against my bum hole, any remaining residue is literally inside, so I really cannot see why anything more is needed. Any "germs" are wedged between my cheeks, not being spread around. We live surrounded by germs and that's ok.

I have seen that advertised and wondered about trying it!

Just for those talking about installing a bum gun. It's actually often difficult to do in the UK due to the plumbing regulations that need to be adhered to.

I feel no revulsion whatsoever about my body or intimate parts.
I don’t feel the need for a full body scrub before sex, either.

I just prefer my intimate parts to be fresh and clean, and expect my husband to be fresh and clean too before we have sex.

There nothing sexy about a pissy minge/willy.

I’m also quite at ease with germs, in general.
I just prefer not to have arse bacteria on me when I can easily clean it off with some liquid soap on a bit of toilet paper.

(I’ve had an illness where I literally shat myself uncontrollably about 15 times a day, and relied on other people to clean me up as I was too unwell.
I am not remotely fazed by poo germs. Shit washes off.)

THEY ARE NOT FLUSHABLE

What do you think happens to them after your bins are emptied? Most wet wipes contain plastic fibres and take over 100 years to decompose.

The moist toilet wipes tend not to contain plastic now. I still bin them but they should disintegrate easier and faster than the old ones containing plastic

Sorry but you always have arse bacteria on you.

Our skin teems with bacteria (and other microflora), as does our gut. It's normal, natural, and not harmful.

I don't really recognise the idea of a "pissy minge or willy" though. Perfectly adequate cleaning happens without some of the methods described here.

Cotton is biodegradable but still clogs pipes & worse, pumps which have to be cleared by hand. Very qualified expensive sewage pump engineers have to clean textiles off the pumps by hand. Don't flush wipes unless made of thin paper.

It’s pissy if either party have been to the bathroom a few times.
Especially with female anatomy, it just lies around on your skin. Not very pleasant.
I prefer to be fresh before anyone goes near my bits.

Says the person who has never had to care for anyone with a prolapse or incontinence issues!

Quite a few women over sixty leak small amounts of urine you know. As do some men later in life. Frankly, I think we all need to grow up and recognise this issue. Especially when we live in a country that doesn’t automatically offer post partum pelvic floor exercises.

Why are supermarket shelves lined with Tena products do you think? Are they just there for show?

I am very happy that you are not affected and have the luxury of “not really recognising” this issue but many women who have developed issues post-partum, or post-menopause , or post-hysterectomy, are not as lucky as you unfortunately.

My mother for example had a severe prolapse after her fourth child from which she never completely recovered despite two surgeries, and a bidet was an absolute godsend, and became an intergral part of her care.

Sorry for rant but your “pissy whinge or willy” terminology could be rather hurtful for someone reading this who is already laid low with bladder issues which are both physically uncomfortable and potentially embarrassing, particularly when combined with lack of mobility.

Oh ok. Let’s just not wash at all then, if it’s so pointless?

Fs, I am WELL aware of that and as I already said, I have no problem with germs, in general. (I’ve literally been covered in shit, many times.)
I just prefer to wash off the bacteria that I can.

What exactly is wrong with that?

You know absolutely FUCK ALL about me!
I have urge incontinence and I regularly piss myself if I can’t get to the bathroom in time.
Satisfied now??

Difference is, I clean myself up. With either a shower or a wash cloth and soap. It’s hardly rocket science, is it?

And you’ve NO IDEA who I’ve cared for.
I have cared for someone with a stoma which regularly burst. And they also had bladder issues.

My comment re a pissy minge was in reference to intimacy but if you’d read my post properly, you’d know that.

You are being deliberately obtuse.

If your gut health is good then toilet paper should be plenty. In other words, you should get a ‘clean drop’.

If you’re in that much of a mess after doing a poo then I’d look at your diet.

I also have poor mobility which greatly hinders my ability to get to the bathroom in time!
As I said, you know FUCK ALL about me.

In summer, I wear skirts with nothing underneath as it’s one more layer getting in the way of me getting to the bathroom.

In winter, I try to wear skirts that I can pull up easily so that I can get my tights etc down quickly.
I don’t wear jeans or fiddly trousers as I can’t get them down in time.

I have no problem with buying and using incontinence products. If I have caffeine, it irritates my bladder.
I’ve worn “pee pants” to bed if I’ve had a lot of tea or Diet Coke because I’ve pissed the bed a few times. (I used to put loads of towels under my sheets for this reason.)

I’ve lain in bed for 1/2 an hour before, unable to move because I’d piss myself if I did.

I make and have had to make many adjustments because of my urge incontinence.

Having bladder issues does not preclude me from keeping myself clean.
I have full sympathy with people who have leaks. If this were me, I’d also use Tena lady etc and I’d keep myself as clean as possible.
Not easy, I appreciate.

I’m 57 so I’m no spring chicken!

I think it’s those who are on keto/very low carb diets that get very messy poos, because they have to drink so much water to avoid constipation.

I was quoting someone else and talking about my personal experience thus far in life and in relation to my own sex life and preferences. It has nothing to do with additional complicating issues. Not every post can be caveated with "unless X condition".

This sounds like a miserable way to live at such a young age.

Have you sought help? There is a lot you can do to improve urge incontinence - you don’t have to put up with it. Unfortunately it’s normalised in our society but it is actually very curable.