Labour Voters. Honest question

[Tryingtodobetter82]

I’m not looking to start an argument on this subject. I know it’s a very heated and emotive topic.

I have strong views on political issues. What with algorithms and biased news organisations, it’s very easy to end up only seeing information that confirms what we already believe. Because of that, you don’t often hear the other side of the political divide.

I’m honestly curious whether those who voted Labour at the last General Election, for reference I did not, would vote the same way if there were an early GE in January, purely hypothetical of course.

If so, I’d really appreciate you sharing what you feel they’ve done right so far in their term. I’m asking as I genuinely want to understand different perspectives.

YABU - I would vote labour again
YANBU - I wouldn’t vote for them again (or ever have)

There's a range of stuff I care about. While MN is social media, it's 100% anonymous, and this is an actual thread about who, how and why we vote. So it seems logical to write about why.

But if you can only see virtue signalling in wanting to live in a civilised society, I'd posit you're already voting Tory and therefore not in a position to criticise.

Do you not care about the people who are put out of work - how many?
the closed businesses - how many?
the farmers who committed suicide over the IHT - which hasn’t yet happened
the increase in rents - market forces
the closure of 270 independent schools - 60
the custodial sentences for Facebook posts - Connolly pleaded guilty
the low GDP growth - like the rest of the world
the people who can’t find jobs - why can’t they?
the tax increases squeezing families - there have been no tax rises affecting individuals
the fiscal drag until 2031 - would you have preferred tax rises?
the open borders policies - don’t exist
blasphemy laws - what blasphemy laws?
the decolonisation of state school policies - what does that even mean?

Words salad.

The 30 hours free childcare was a Tory policy that was being phased in. It’s a terrible scheme so not sure why they are trying to take credit for it. Nursery bills are still sky high due to cost increases like NI hikes.

i don’t know of any schools that have free breakfast clubs unless you are pupil premium. It’s £5 for me and has been for years

the 6500 new teachers is only what they have said they want - not what has materialised. I believe there are now less teachers in fact

Cameron promised a referendum to silence his backbench Eurosceptic lunatics but didn't really expect to win the election, and then when the Labour Party picked Ed over David, he won it anyway.

Cameron was an ardent Remainer. Labour traditionally were much less enthusiastic about the EU. Corbyn was virtually invisible for the whole campaign.

She’s not an alternative, she’s not the leader of a party?

What Reform policies don’t you like?

They are low average. I was hoping for a stronger and more competent government after the tories. What was the thinking behind the NI rise for employers - complete madness. What was the thinking behind putting full VAT on school fees? Why did they not choose a lower rate say 5%. Round here the good state schools have seen an influx of kids who woould have gone private making it harder for less privileged kids to get in. I bet getting into a grammar school now is like the hunger games. Why didn't they just improve state schools instead? It feels very idealolical and preachy. I am sort of ok with Keir Starmer but he needs to stop changing his mind. over everything. Everyone I know feels flat and a bit worried about the future. I think there needs to be growth in the economy or everyone who is mobile (by skills or nationality) will leg it.

And while we’re at it can we stop calling it ‘30 free hours’ it’s not 30 free hours… 30 hours per week over 38 weeks meaning for the vast majority it’s at best 22 or in mg case we can only use 6 a day so if you work 4 days a week it’s 24 for 38 weeks spread over 52 which I think is 18 or so…. On those 18 hours I have to pay a ‘surcharge’ and then they’ve jacked the price up on the other hours so I am literally no better off at all.

Although we are 14 pages in, I love the first page of replies.

I'm guessing, not what the OP was expecting.
Notably she hasn't returned to engage with her thread.

Presumably another of the interns paid to start the 3 or 4 threads a week slagging off the labour party ?

Do you think only interns dislike Labour?

@Tryingtodobetter82 , the mess the country is in is due to the successive Conservative governments. Cameron did so much damage. If you disagree with Brexit, he's the person to blame.

That’s on your nursery - we are heaps better off than with our first who we payed full price for. We paid £900 per month for 3 days for DD1 and pay £500 per month for 4 days for DD2.

in my area they are all expensive - south east. It’s all well and good saying find another nursery but I’m actually at what is known as the cheapest one around so do a 45 round trip which is already a huge petrol cost. There are 2 in my village - one is term time only which doesn’t fit with my work and the other is over £100 per day plus a ‘forest school surcharge’

ok, there is one cheaper but they employed a peadophile who just got sent to prison for 10 years so I think that’s why they are slightly cheaper

Sorry, you’re right. It wasn’t the 1990s. The later 1990s were just the years of Blair’s war on Iraq. Silly me.

In 1997 the Tories left Blair a golden legacy. Which he and Brown squandered, and then left us in the 2000s with colossal debt. Including continuing PFI debt, which of course Labour now forgets about.

I don’t have time to get you details for all the answers, but all readily available to search for.
The headlines:
-Unemployment up 20%
-Monthly redundancy averages up 32%
-You were right on the independent schools,
-If there’s no open border policies, how can people traverse our borders without paperwork?
-Blasphemy laws: https://www.newstatesman.com/thestaggers/2024/11/there-is-no-place-for-blasphemy-laws-in-the-labour-party
-Decolonise the curriculum (straight from Labour); https://www.lewishamlabour.com/decolonising-the-curriculum/
-As for your crass comment about committing suicide before Labours generational farm
raid, did you expect them to wait until after? I think you’ve shown the true face of hardcore Labour supporters with that comment.

Not a word salad, unfortunately for everyone in the U.K.

Um, the war on Iraq was 2003.

Your memory is appalling !

Thanks for this. It’s not great.

I didn’t say get a cheaper one, I was just saying it’s still a huge benefit for so many working parents. Despite it unfortunately not being as beneficial for you, it doesn’t make it a failure.

ETA - also I live in Brighton so it’s not exactly cheap.

It’s textbook virtue signalling, just look up. Your post is a perfect illustration.
Saying things like not voting for Labour is not voting to live in a civilised society is quite a laughable statement, to remind you that this is a party that has introduced a tax on children’s education, continuously pushes to police free speech whilst the prime minster crowes about welcoming a jihadist who had threatened the majority of UK citizen’s safety.

When people claim we have “Open borders” as above, because there aren’t men (presumably with guns) / fences / razor wire / minefields along every beach and clifftop within dinghy distance of France, what do you really mean ?

The border IS closed - essentially you can either enter the country for leisure or work with the appropriate documentation, or you can enter without the appropriate documentation and claim asylum.

If you enter without appropriate docs and do not claim asylum you’re sent back.

If you do claim asylum, you have the right to have your case heard.

This is absolutely not “open borders” - that would mean no document requirements or checking at all, like an internal Schengen border.

Who knows? Crazy aren’t they.

I think if anyone were interested in a discussion - the OP starts by claiming this is an 'honest question' - then they would engage with their own thread.

Thank you! I’d forgotten how recently Labour was disgraceful.

OK.

It’s about as accurate as their first post.

More relevant than that chart on every thread.