Labour Voters. Honest question

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I’m not looking to start an argument on this subject. I know it’s a very heated and emotive topic.

I have strong views on political issues. What with algorithms and biased news organisations, it’s very easy to end up only seeing information that confirms what we already believe. Because of that, you don’t often hear the other side of the political divide.

I’m honestly curious whether those who voted Labour at the last General Election, for reference I did not, would vote the same way if there were an early GE in January, purely hypothetical of course.

If so, I’d really appreciate you sharing what you feel they’ve done right so far in their term. I’m asking as I genuinely want to understand different perspectives.

YABU - I would vote labour again
YANBU - I wouldn’t vote for them again (or ever have)

Stronger porn regulations
making choking porn illegal

They’re all useless.

It would be really interesting to compare a list of what Labour have achieved since the election against a list of what the Conservatives achieved in 14 years.
Or indeed the achievements of Nigel Farage when he was MEP.

I'm a lifelong Labour supporter and have been a party member for more of my life than not, but I wouldn't vote for them now. They have done next to nothing to improve the public services most of us depend on and absolutely nothing to introduce more progressive taxation that would benefit those on low incomes.

The demonisation of those too unwell/disabled to work is straight out of the Tory playbook. What's the point of a Labour govt that does shit like that? Starmer and Reeves are more right wing than the Tory govts of the 60s and early 70s imo. (I'm ancient, so remember them well.)

I've lived in a Tory/LD marginal for decades and consequently vote LD tactically, so it won't actually change how I vote. If I lived in the neighbouring city though, I'd vote Green, as they're the party best placed to get rid of Labour.

Harold Wilson, who was imho the best PM of my lifetime, would be too leftwing for Starmer's Labour if he were to be magically reincarnated today and would probably be expelled from the party. And the Corbyn/Sultana party shows all the signs failing via the traditional left mechanism of falling out among themselves.

These points I can't fathom.
Digital id. We already have it in so many ways, this will be one efficient card
Pay per mile, we all have to pay to use roads and it's services it's far less than using fossil fuels
Cashless society isn't in their manifesto
Jury trials are notoriously unrealiable. Having a panel of legal experts it's far superior than having some biased person deciding your future because they don't like the look of you

Yes I would vote for them again. Am not voting in your poll.

One of the first things they did was to remove the restrictions on ARRS funding, already distributed, that prevented it being used by GP practices to pay actual doctors. I’d been mentally begging for that change for months.

Also I remembered one of the first actions of the 2010 coalition being to orphan all the government department websites and set up new ones that looked slightly different. Absolutely captured the pettiness of that administration. Labour didn’t do that.

They have made actual decisions, many of which have been really unpopular, which desperately needed making, in flawed circumstances. I admire any administration that will do that. Where they go wrong in my view is where they start chasing headlines.

Slightly goady post I think but however. I’m a Labour voter and would definitely vote Labour and indeed Starmer again.
They've made mistakes and their Comms is not where it should be. They have also done a lot of good things.

But the right wing media is unforgivingly hostile.
Putting 14 years of carnage right is far from a straight forward task
No one is really questioning Farage, he’s allowed to lie with impunity like he always has
And no one really cross questions Tory ex ministers who suddenly have all the right answers

Am disappointed, I voted, will never get my vote again, killed the job market for our young people, part time jobs to keep DC going at Uni are non existent, very lucky if they can get one. Making benefits seen as attractive, what message does that give to youngsters, may be right wing propaganda but even so, the seed has to be there. I should have taking my fathers advice and never voted labour, any subsequent government will have even more of a mess to sort out, the conservatives couldn’t do it in 14 years, it was a mess when they came in, so we are just digging a bigger hole, I don’t want Reform, but the way labour are carrying on that’s what we are going to get and I will be seriously pissed off.

I voted Lib Dem to keep the Tories out (Labour never stood a chance where we live). As of April next year our employment rights are also further strengthened under Labour. Under Cameron these were further eroded. Between me and my husband we earn over £300’000 and we are still supporters of this government.

We have private healthcare too but our family and friends and the general public will end up suffering under austerity cuts that Reform and the Tories will end up imposing.

Go look at Gary Economics on Instagram. Liz Truss was still the most disastrous PM.

“and absolutely nothing to introduce more progressive taxation that would benefit those on low incomes.”

What kind of more progressive taxation do you think should be introduced?

The way I'm feeling right now, I wouldn't vote for Starmer again after this - him enthusiastically welcoming an extremist with antisemitic views into Britain.

If Labour changed their leader before the next GE and I thought they had more genuine concern for the Jewish community, I would consider voting for them again. Though the only one I like at the moment is Wes Streeting.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5466146-to-think-that-kier-starmer-shouldnt-be-welcoming-extremists-into-britain?reply=149452313

It’s not ‘lifelong Labour voters’ they need to keep, obviously they will stick with them anyway. It’s those who are less fixed as voters. Agree with your points btw

I think the other problem is that it doesn’t take into account the role that tactical voting now plays. I’ve moved so I wouldn’t vote Labour in this constituency it would be a mad choice that would let the tories back in.
I’d happily vote for them again in a different constituency.

Ate there things I disagree with? Yes. But they are the best option we’ve had for the country in a long time. I certainly won’t be voting Tory again for a long time, if ever and I’ll never vote for reform.

Yes exactly, no one also questions why Reform accepted Russian bribes through Nathan Gill, why we have the boats situation because of Brexit and are poorer all round. It was all brushed under the carpet. My biggest concern is the NHS it will be sold to the US companies. Over 500’000 Americans file bankruptcy every year because they can’t pay their healthcare bills. My family in the US are seeing their healthcare bills double and increase every year.

I would like to see us all come together and boycott those companies that don’t pay corporation tax here like Caffè Nero, Amazon, Starbucks and others. We the people have the power but the right wing media wants to divert our attention to blame others, instead of the billionaires that control our media and social media and hoard resources and power.

The demonisation of those too unwell/disabled to work is straight out of the Tory playbook.

This is my biggest disappointment with them. It’s part of a larger problem of trying to ‘chase the reform vote’ I think and they need to stop doing it. Not least because it’s what the Tories ended up trying to do and still are. It didn’t exactly end up well for them.

I wouldn't vote for Labour again - because they've taken my vote and used it to push legislation for Tory/Reform policies.

Look at their horrendous plans for the immigration system, stirring up racism and pandering to Farage.

Look at how long it took them to remove the two child benefit cap.

Credit to Ed Milliband and he is trying to take concrete steps to reduce climate change, but Kier Starmer has less commitment than even Boris Johnson on the green agenda.

Labour think they are shedding voters to Reform. They are ignoring the votes they are shedding to the greens - or even the Lib Dems!

Agree! I voted Labour last time to get rid of the smug, insufferable Tories.

17 months is insufficient time to turn the oil tanker that is our political landscape. It will take more time. Disappointed with a few things that they have reversed on but they've delivered on some stuff that they promised (see first poster). And yes, I'd vote for them again.

My instinct for Farage is hell, no but I've not done any in-depth reading into Reform's beliefs, wants and plans.

As for the Greens, they can get in the bin as they believe TWAW. Nah...

I feel the same. I have mostly always voted Labour and voted for them this time because I agreed with their centre Left policies. I agreed with the workers rights bill and the increases in minimum wage but I admit that this has killed the jobs market, especially for younger people. Its all very well saying ' I earn £300k a year and still vote Labour'. Lack of entry level jobs for your young people dont affect you as much as it will if you have teens who you cant afford to subsidise through college and University, so need them to get jobs and work experience. Or if you are on a mid range salary but you may as well be on minimum wage because minimum wage increases mean that your employer can't afford pay rises for everyone else, or you are doing the work of 3 people because people who leave arent replaced. None of these things affect you as much if you earn £300k as they would if you were on £40 or £50k.
I think I have sadly realised that what people said about Labour before the election was true. That no matter what gets them elected, there is no group of people who hate Labour governments more than people in the Labour Party. They are held to ransom by their backbench MPs and by their members, so can't get anything done, then make stupid decisions they have to overturn and cost more money because they have to appease them.

The Tories are tainted with this also aren't they though? Didn't they arrange for him to have UK citizenship to enable him to come back? (Not saying that having this individual here should be celebrated at all but it wasn't just Labour's involvement that got him back)

Could they stop it?

Yes they could.

Wake up!

Yes the Tories are tainted with it too as they did indeed arrange for him to have UK citizenship.

As I said on the other thread, I find myself politically homeless now as wouldn't vote for any of the main parties at the moment. I am a floating voter who normally always votes in general elections.

I used to find it hard to understand why people - especially women - would choose not to exercise their right to vote but I get it now.

They could stop anything any fringe group has a bee in their bonnet about.

But cashless payments are more convenient, popular, more secure, and overall much cheaper.

We should follow Europe’s lead in keeping US corporations VISA and MasterCard out of the loop - no reason they should skim fees from UK domestic payments really. This is where a CBDC will help.

You don’t want any cash?

In Scotland many people vote Labour to keep the SNP out. That’s it.

I suspect that in many many cases both in Scotland and elsewhere Labour have historically appeared the least worst of an appalling set of options. Whether that will continue to be the case remains to be seen.

Let’s not hijack this thread about the current government with a sidestep into debating cash vs digital payments.

Start a thread on that perhaps if we want to explore it.