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To think that Kier Starmer shouldn't be welcoming extremists into Britain?

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Twiglets1 · 27/12/2025 20:14

Reported in The Telegraph today that Sir Keir Starmer has welcomed an alleged Islamist extremist, who labelled British people “dogs and monkeys” and called for Zionists to be killed, into the UK.

The Prime Minister said he was “delighted” that Alaa Abd el-Fattah had arrived from Egypt on Friday evening after a travel ban imposed by Cairo was lifted following lobbying by ministers.

Mr Abd el-Fattah, an activist with dual British-Egyptian citizenship, previously said that it was heroic to kill Zionists “including civilians”. He urged Londoners to burn Downing Street, told his supporters to kill police and said he hated white people.

Ministers are facing calls to revoke his British citizenship, which he was granted in 2021 while imprisoned in Egypt, where campaigners described him as a “prisoner of conscience”.

Sir Keir’s tweet yesterday said how “delighted” he was that Alaa Abd El-Fattah is back in this country. Does that seem a reasonable stance to take for someone who has claimed at the same time to be committed to "eradicating antisemitism in the UK"?

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Sausagenbacon · 29/12/2025 11:59

BTW how did he travel? Did we pay his fare?
Probably paid for by Olivia Coleman, or any other of the useful idiots.

DaisyDazee · 29/12/2025 12:00

BIossomtoes · 29/12/2025 11:39

Just another Tory mess to clean up.

But Labour are not trying to clear up anything. They are bringing him here by invitation. It will add work for the Police to monitor him in-case he continues rabble rousing. How much will he get in benefits and safe housing.

Sausagenbacon · 29/12/2025 12:00

They are bringing him here by invitation
And greeting him effusively

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 12:05

Sausagenbacon · 29/12/2025 12:00

They are bringing him here by invitation
And greeting him effusively

And it was more than that, it was actively working with Egypt to get the ban to leave removed.

MaturingCheeseball · 29/12/2025 12:14

DaisyDazee · 29/12/2025 12:00

But Labour are not trying to clear up anything. They are bringing him here by invitation. It will add work for the Police to monitor him in-case he continues rabble rousing. How much will he get in benefits and safe housing.

Absolutely - is this person going to do a decent day’s work or will he continue to be an “activist” ?

Twiglets1 · 29/12/2025 12:19

luckylavender · 29/12/2025 10:02

Although you still can’t spell his name. I don’t agree with his comments but he’s not the person who set the ball rolling and is again getting the backlash. Badenoch is such a hypocrite.

My misspelling his name is irrelevant to the discussion. You will note that since it was pointed out, I didn't misspell it again so why mention it again.

Yes Badenoch is a hypocrite - so is Starmer when it suits him and he would have been all over this when in opposition if the PM had made the same misjudgement, assuming that's what this is.

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HappyFace2025 · 29/12/2025 12:22

MaturingCheeseball · 29/12/2025 12:14

Absolutely - is this person going to do a decent day’s work or will he continue to be an “activist” ?

I think we know the answer is the latter. He hasn't stopped being an activist while in jail in Egypt since 2019. The Egyptians must be delighted he is no longer their problem.
Incidentally el-Fattah has been awarded English PENs Writer of Courage in 2024. Did those presenting the award also not know of his hateful prejudice against white people, Brits and Zionists (aka Jews)?

ThatCyanCat · 29/12/2025 12:22

AlecTrevelyan006 · 29/12/2025 11:36

It's quite possible that a number of Abd El Fattahs tweets were meant to be sarcastic or flippant. I would not conclude that he intended people to take them all literally.

However, we are in a place as a society where free speech has been encroached on to such an extent that the intentions of the person stating an opinion matter less than the feelings of those who hear or read it. This is where the Public Order Act in particular has ended up.

There is a clear demonstration of that in the idea that some police forces now believe that the chanting the phrase “globalise the Intifada” is an arrestable offence, when it was previously tolerated, simply because the context has changed. The speech is the same, but the feelings it provokes are different. That is dangerous territory in my opinion because the boundaries of legality become perilously unclear.

There are clearly things that Abd El-Fattah has said on X that are every bit as bad as things that have resulted in imprisonment for others. That in itself is damning in respect of our treatment of free speech, but it becomes many times more problematic when our PM, who has roundly condemned hate speech is expressing delight at welcoming someone who indulges in it into the UK.

I think the underlying issue that this case raises is about the infantilising of minority groups by certain parts of the media and political establishment. Complex individuals like Abd El-Fattah are reducing to one dimensional caricatures - either good or bad. Messy details anround their beliefs are glossed over in favour of their totemic symobolism. They become a cause to be championed rather than a person to be understood.

The same thing happened in reverse with people like Lucy Connolly and Ricky Jones, who were imprisoned because of very similar statements that they made during the recent riots.

In the real world the good guys are not always entirely good and the bad guys are not always entirely bad. It’s never that simple and the fiasco over Abd El-Fattah is a cautionary tale for politicians and celebrities who try to make themselves look worthy by jumping on the latest bandwagon.

I'm not sure that he should be deported, but I do hope that this affair is a turning point in the battle for freedom of expression in the UK. We arrest more people for statements on social media than most totalitarian regimes. That should not be tolerated.

What a long winded way to say "calling to kill Jews and police officers isn't that bad really".

No, my sweet, he is not a modern day Churchill who, in casting his pearls, has been misunderstood by the swine who can't appreciate his impassioned yet nuanced rhetoric. "Globalise the intifada" has always meant what it means now, but people get away with it because the hate is centred on the Jewish state. Individual human imperfection and complexity are not reasons to welcome and absorb a guy who calls for murder and destruction into our state. And yes, he should be deported. The fact that Lucy Connolly got a ridiculous sentence doesn't mean we should make even more hateful and dangerous calls legal and acceptable.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/12/2025 12:24

The various parties and their supporters trying to claim "not me guv" was to be expected - after all that's politics - but I'm surprised more hasn't been said about what this suggests for the alleged checking of other migrants

We're invited to believe that there are rigorous systems in place and that incomers are subjected to careful screening, but does anyone seriously believe that any more?

HamptonPlace · 29/12/2025 12:25

Twiglets1 · 27/12/2025 20:26

Yaxley Lennon or Tommy Robinson is also an extremist who I don't "approve of" to use your words.

Do you really think that Alaa Abd El-Fattah should be welcomed into Britain? He hates white people so I'm ok with saying No he shouldn't be in my opinion.

white people, Jews AND police..

Twiglets1 · 29/12/2025 12:26

HamptonPlace · 29/12/2025 12:25

white people, Jews AND police..

And homosexuals apparently ... lovely guy though (not!)

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Twiglets1 · 29/12/2025 12:27

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/12/2025 12:24

The various parties and their supporters trying to claim "not me guv" was to be expected - after all that's politics - but I'm surprised more hasn't been said about what this suggests for the alleged checking of other migrants

We're invited to believe that there are rigorous systems in place and that incomers are subjected to careful screening, but does anyone seriously believe that any more?

It does seem increasingly hard to believe.

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HappyFace2025 · 29/12/2025 12:28

@Puzzledandpissedoff that's exactly what we should all be worried about, hence a letter to my (Labour) MP ensues. Although she has always responded in the past it is usually a 'follow the government line' or, in the case of the Metropolitan Commissioner, a complete whitewash.

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 12:33

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/12/2025 12:24

The various parties and their supporters trying to claim "not me guv" was to be expected - after all that's politics - but I'm surprised more hasn't been said about what this suggests for the alleged checking of other migrants

We're invited to believe that there are rigorous systems in place and that incomers are subjected to careful screening, but does anyone seriously believe that any more?

Yes agree there should be discussion on what checks we should have

Alexandra2001 · 29/12/2025 12:48

Twiglets1 · 29/12/2025 12:19

My misspelling his name is irrelevant to the discussion. You will note that since it was pointed out, I didn't misspell it again so why mention it again.

Yes Badenoch is a hypocrite - so is Starmer when it suits him and he would have been all over this when in opposition if the PM had made the same misjudgement, assuming that's what this is.

Apparently the Govt has no plans to remove citizenship and Starmer welcomes his apology.

Perhaps if there was an award for being unable to Read the Room, KS would win it...

But its also possible there are other issues going on here, involving the security services and thats why he is here....

Dollymylove · 29/12/2025 12:52

I bet Nigel is rubbing his hands together with glee at how many more reform supporters he will probably gain.
Evey time Calamity Kier opens his mouth Reform membership rises 🤣

Legolava · 29/12/2025 12:53

There is accountability across all parties. It’s a bit sad when people can only say what about the Tories. They aren’t in power. Labour are so ultimately the buck stops with them and they will get the blame. That’s politics and that’s being in power.

The current PM was the one negotiating with Egypt, he was the one grandstanding about it on X. Without his actions, this person wouldn’t be back in the UK. Like it or not. No whatabouterry changes that. You then have Labour coming out today to say that he’s not a risk to national security. When you’ve engineered a justice system to imprison people for bad words and a system such as PREVENT which only goes after people who say the wrong kind of nasty words.

Someone who was so horrific about homosexuality, our police and Jews welcomed so publicly by the PM will reflect on him.

Just like the unemployment rate, private sector collapse and the youth disengagement will reflect and is reflecting on him and his government. Were there issues leading up to the final blow? Sure. It’s the Labour government that have dealt the final blow on many an issue. As it is showing in general public opinion. This situation will just finish Labour for good in the eyes of many.

Serious questions need to be asked of all politicians no matter which party as to how we got here and why.

HappyFace2025 · 29/12/2025 12:56

@Legolava I shall write to my MP about this. I suggest others who feel as strongly do the same. It mustn't be brushed under the carpet.

Alexandra2001 · 29/12/2025 12:57

Dollymylove · 29/12/2025 12:52

I bet Nigel is rubbing his hands together with glee at how many more reform supporters he will probably gain.
Evey time Calamity Kier opens his mouth Reform membership rises 🤣

Support for Reform is falling, now just 26%, for the Cons and Lab is stabilised....

MaturingCheeseball · 29/12/2025 13:05

Can those who think admittance of this individual to the country is fine, please explain why. I just don’t understand.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 29/12/2025 13:12

TheKeatingFive · 29/12/2025 09:55

I don't think he was, he was resident in the us

Apologies I think you are correct. I was misled because the tweets in question were made in April 2025 & when Glinner was arrested at Heathrow in September 2025 it was reported that he had recently moved to the US which I took to mean that summer. In fact when Glinner gave evidence he said that he had moved to the US six months previously which would be March 2025.

TooBigForMyBoots · 29/12/2025 13:15

PrettyDamnCosmic · 29/12/2025 09:03

Statute of limitations has passed. The posts are over a decade old.

The UK has no statute of limitations for indictable criminal offences. Quite recently there was the case of a 75 year old man imprisoned for life for a murder committed nearly 58 years ago.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36xw0ryw51o

There is no statute of limitations for murder.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 29/12/2025 13:30

TooBigForMyBoots · 29/12/2025 13:15

There is no statute of limitations for murder.

There is no statute of limitations for any offence punishable by a prison sentence of six months or more.

HappyFace2025 · 29/12/2025 13:31

MaturingCheeseball · 29/12/2025 13:05

Can those who think admittance of this individual to the country is fine, please explain why. I just don’t understand.

That is what I shall ask my MP!

Dollymylove · 29/12/2025 13:43

HappyFace2025 · 29/12/2025 13:31

That is what I shall ask my MP!

My LOCAL MP has blocked me, along with others who have asked perfectly legitimate questions

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