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Twiglets1 · 2025-12-27T20:14:47+00:00

Reported in The Telegraph today that Sir Keir Starmer has welcomed an alleged Islamist extremist, who labelled British people “dogs and monkeys” and called for Zionists to be killed, into the UK. The Prime Minister said he was “delighted” that Alaa Abd el-Fattah had arrived from Egypt on Friday evening after a travel ban imposed by Cairo was lifted following lobbying by ministers. Mr Abd el-Fattah, an activist with dual British-Egyptian citizenship, previously said that it was heroic to kill Zionists “including civilians”. He urged Londoners to burn Downing Street, told his supporters to kill police and said he hated white people. Ministers are facing calls to revoke his British citizenship, which he was granted in 2021 while imprisoned in Egypt, where campaigners described him as a “prisoner of conscience”. Sir Keir’s tweet yesterday said how “delighted” he was that Alaa Abd El-Fattah is back in this country. Does that seem a reasonable stance to take for someone who has claimed at the same time to be committed to "eradicating antisemitism in the UK"?

PennyLaneisinmyheartandmysoul · 29/12/2025 08:09

Twiglets1 · 29/12/2025 08:06

It is a bit late now I agree.

But Starmer is going to be asked about this repeatedly & won’t have the option of shrugging and saying it’s a bit late now. So I imagine his comms team are working on a full statement.

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Wonder if it will be blamed on a rogue intern who tweeted it without approval..,

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 08:10

Twiglets1 · 29/12/2025 08:06

It is a bit late now I agree.

But Starmer is going to be asked about this repeatedly & won’t have the option of shrugging and saying it’s a bit late now. So I imagine his comms team are working on a full statement.

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I think they’ll have to decide whether he stays or not. If they were ‘unaware’ apparently they’re not now. So is it revoked or does he stay.

The scene for acting strongly over a tweet is set by the same gov, they also feel fine to drag things up from years ago. Calls for him to leave are there, maybe they’ll try to wait it out instead.

PandoraSocks · 29/12/2025 08:13

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 07:48

Poor Starmer being criticised. It’s not great for him no matter how it’s spun.

Outside a few on mn people will quickly see whether tweets count for Starmer or not. Sometimes it’s jail other times it’s delight. Good luck with that.

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Stating truths about the justice system is not "spinning". It is a right wing trope to blame Starmer for the likes of Connolly being jailed.

And what about the actual issue at hand? You know, those pesky old facts?

Are you not concerned about the catalogue of failures that have led to this almighty fuck up by Starmer?

Aren't you concerned that the Home Office either practiced zero due diligence or didn't care about el-Fattah being a disgusting anti-semite?

Aren't you concerned that not a single PM, Home Secretary or MP supporting this man over the past years bothered to take 5 minutes to check his background? What does that say about the calibre of our political representatives?

Yes, the buck stops with Starmer now because he is PM, but plenty have had a hand in this, including Sunak, Johnson, Patel, Cleverly etc.

But as @Alexandra2001 says, some posters only want to use this as a stick to beat Starmer with and don't care about the underlying issues this has thrown up.

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 08:18

PandoraSocks · 29/12/2025 08:13

Stating truths about the justice system is not "spinning". It is a right wing trope to blame Starmer for the likes of Connolly being jailed.

And what about the actual issue at hand? You know, those pesky old facts?

Are you not concerned about the catalogue of failures that have led to this almighty fuck up by Starmer?

Aren't you concerned that the Home Office either practiced zero due diligence or didn't care about el-Fattah being a disgusting anti-semite?

Aren't you concerned that not a single PM, Home Secretary or MP supporting this man over the past years bothered to take 5 minutes to check his background? What does that say about the calibre of our political representatives?

Yes, the buck stops with Starmer now because he is PM, but plenty have had a hand in this, including Sunak, Johnson, Patel, Cleverly etc.

But as @Alexandra2001 says, some posters only want to use this as a stick to beat Starmer with and don't care about the underlying issues this has thrown up.

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No I think it’s great the man’s here. Of course not. I think he should go. I wonder how many agree on that.

Starmer and co won’t do well from this even if some find that hard.

Dollymylove · 29/12/2025 08:27

Alexandra2001 · 28/12/2025 14:03

She was prosecuted under a law introduced by Margaret Thatcher in 1986....

You do realise its the Police/CPS that charge people and the courts that sentence them?

Govts of all colours have nothing to do with any of this and long may that be the case.

Regardless, he should have his citizenship revoked and sent back to Egypt.

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The police and courts.weee told to "hit them hard" after the South port riots and they didnt disappoint.
Unless your name is Ricky Jones on video making death threats, of course......

PandoraSocks · 29/12/2025 08:27

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 08:18

No I think it’s great the man’s here. Of course not. I think he should go. I wonder how many agree on that.

Starmer and co won’t do well from this even if some find that hard.

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Starmer and co won’t do well from this even if some find that hard

Repeating variants of this line doesn't wash, I am afraid and it is a little nonsensical in this context. I don't find it hard that this will impact Labour's standing or polling or whatever. I don't actually care. To me that is a side issue.

What I do care about and find hard is the fact that so many people, politicians and institutions over the years ignored blatant anti-semitism and Holocaust denial. It is sickening.

PandoraSocks · 29/12/2025 08:28

Dollymylove · 29/12/2025 08:27

The police and courts.weee told to "hit them hard" after the South port riots and they didnt disappoint.
Unless your name is Ricky Jones on video making death threats, of course......

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The jury found Jones not guilty, much to.the surprise of most of us. Do you think Starmer had a hand in that?

Alexandra2001 · 29/12/2025 08:29

This man is here because the Tories gave him citizenship, with no checks whatsoever.

Look over there wont wash, they caused this mess, no-one else.

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 08:30

PandoraSocks · 29/12/2025 08:27

Starmer and co won’t do well from this even if some find that hard

Repeating variants of this line doesn't wash, I am afraid and it is a little nonsensical in this context. I don't find it hard that this will impact Labour's standing or polling or whatever. I don't actually care. To me that is a side issue.

What I do care about and find hard is the fact that so many people, politicians and institutions over the years ignored blatant anti-semitism and Holocaust denial. It is sickening.

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Repeating variants of your lines do the same.

Starmer will now have to decide whether the man stays or goes. It’s in his court now.

Alexandra2001 · 29/12/2025 08:33

Dollymylove · 29/12/2025 08:27

The police and courts.weee told to "hit them hard" after the South port riots and they didnt disappoint.
Unless your name is Ricky Jones on video making death threats, of course......

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Every single one of the Southport rioters were sentenced under guidelines introduced by the Tories, Labour had been in just a few weeks.

Ricky Jones was found "Not Guilty" by a Jury of 12 who were all in agreement.... are you suggesting Starmer nobbled the Jury? 😂

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Twiglets1 · 29/12/2025 08:35

Alexandra2001 · 29/12/2025 08:29

This man is here because the Tories gave him citizenship, with no checks whatsoever.

Look over there wont wash, they caused this mess, no-one else.

I blame both the Tories & Labour for this.

Tories because they gave him citizenship without due diligence.

Labour because they made his case the highest priority since coming into power according to them, but again without due diligence.

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PandoraSocks · 29/12/2025 08:35

Starmer will now have to decide whether the man stays or goes. It’s in his court now

Yes, whatever the process is to get rid of this man should begin. Plus a full public inquiry into how citizenship was awarded in the first place. We need to know if any political pressure was applied to the Home Office.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 29/12/2025 08:36

PandoraSocks · 29/12/2025 08:13

Stating truths about the justice system is not "spinning". It is a right wing trope to blame Starmer for the likes of Connolly being jailed.

And what about the actual issue at hand? You know, those pesky old facts?

Are you not concerned about the catalogue of failures that have led to this almighty fuck up by Starmer?

Aren't you concerned that the Home Office either practiced zero due diligence or didn't care about el-Fattah being a disgusting anti-semite?

Aren't you concerned that not a single PM, Home Secretary or MP supporting this man over the past years bothered to take 5 minutes to check his background? What does that say about the calibre of our political representatives?

Yes, the buck stops with Starmer now because he is PM, but plenty have had a hand in this, including Sunak, Johnson, Patel, Cleverly etc.

But as @Alexandra2001 says, some posters only want to use this as a stick to beat Starmer with and don't care about the underlying issues this has thrown up.

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Starmer may not have been directly responsible for the likes of Lucy Connolly being jailed but he supported it. And he has now (along with Cooper and Lammy) expressed 'delight' that Alaa Abdel Fattah has been released.

for comparison, Connolly took down and apologised for her one tweet, whereas Alaa Abdel Fattah's tweet are still online and he has now offered up a typical non-apology about being misunderstood and comments being taken out of context.

I'm not generally in favour of prosecuting people (or even just 'cancelling' them) for stuff said on social media, however, this is another example of Labour's inconsistency and hypocrisy.

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Twiglets1 · 29/12/2025 08:37

PandoraSocks · 29/12/2025 08:35

Starmer will now have to decide whether the man stays or goes. It’s in his court now

Yes, whatever the process is to get rid of this man should begin. Plus a full public inquiry into how citizenship was awarded in the first place. We need to know if any political pressure was applied to the Home Office.

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It’s so depressing. Another public enquiry at taxpayers expense into another fuck up at the highest level.

And they wonder why a lot of people are switched off from politics, elections etc.

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PandoraSocks · 29/12/2025 08:39

Twiglets1 · 29/12/2025 08:37

It’s so depressing. Another public enquiry at taxpayers expense into another fuck up at the highest level.

And they wonder why a lot of people are switched off from politics, elections etc.

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Yep. The whole debacle is just awful.

PandoraSocks · 29/12/2025 08:42

He has apologised unreservedly. Too late IMHO.

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/dec/29/british-egyptian-rights-activist-alaa-abd-el-fattah-apologises-for-hurtful-tweets

Alexandra2001 · 29/12/2025 08:44

AlecTrevelyan006 · 29/12/2025 08:36

Starmer may not have been directly responsible for the likes of Lucy Connolly being jailed but he supported it. And he has now (along with Cooper and Lammy) expressed 'delight' that Alaa Abdel Fattah has been released.

for comparison, Connolly took down and apologised for her one tweet, whereas Alaa Abdel Fattah's tweet are still online and he has now offered up a typical non-apology about being misunderstood and comments being taken out of context.

I'm not generally in favour of prosecuting people (or even just 'cancelling' them) for stuff said on social media, however, this is another example of Labour's inconsistency and hypocrisy.

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Labour or any other Govt don't prosecute people... Connelly pleaded guilty, taking down the tweet is like a robber returning stolen goods.. too little too late.

It'll be up to the Police to look into his tweets and act accordingly.

Holocaust Denial has no specific offence but there are other means to prosecute under and it should be considered.

Aside, i thought the sentences handed down were correct, had the Police not acted quickly, the riots could have spread.

However, Labour seem to like the sport of Own Goals Football.

Alexandra2001 · 29/12/2025 08:46

Starmers/no10 response (so far) "welcoming him back to his family, is not the same as supporting his political views"

That is beyond pathetic.

I think the Cons jumping on this though has rather back fired on them....

notimagain · 29/12/2025 08:49

Starmer certainly tried to set the tone for the treatment for SM offenders during the Southport related unrest (I think as a PM newly in office the events frightened him) so he can darn well own the comments about our Dual national friend ..but....I'd agree this whole story makes every politician involved look incompetent and easily swayed by clever lobbying.

As a result I'm still fairly convinced the Westminster bubble will want to sit on this in the hope the story gets overtaken in the media by other events in the next few days, you know, celeb weddings, that sort of thing....

About the only politician who will want to keep stirring the pot will be Farage and he will be dismissed by both Tory and Labour as a right wing trouble maker....

JaquelineHide · 29/12/2025 08:50

ChristieMcVie · 28/12/2025 23:42

His mother is a professor of mathematics and his aunt a celebrated novelist. He’s from a family of “human rights” activists. He clearly has political connections in high places and liberal, intellectual circles. That’s probably why he received citizenship in the first place, and hasn’t been treated by successive governments like the violent, racist, anti semitic, homophobic, jihadi thug that he aspires to be.

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Ah that makes sense.

EasternStandard · 29/12/2025 08:54

notimagain · 29/12/2025 08:49

Starmer certainly tried to set the tone for the treatment for SM offenders during the Southport related unrest (I think as a PM newly in office the events frightened him) so he can darn well own the comments about our Dual national friend ..but....I'd agree this whole story makes every politician involved look incompetent and easily swayed by clever lobbying.

As a result I'm still fairly convinced the Westminster bubble will want to sit on this in the hope the story gets overtaken in the media by other events in the next few days, you know, celeb weddings, that sort of thing....

About the only politician who will want to keep stirring the pot will be Farage and he will be dismissed by both Tory and Labour as a right wing trouble maker....

Conservatives and Reform are asking for him to go, although only one had zero MPs sign that letter.

Then again some MPs are now saying they didn’t know about the tweets and now regret it. The celebs will hide for a bit on it all.

Just reading the hoops gone through to get him here, including Starmer getting the Egyptian President to reverse a ban on him leaving Egypt.

And then there’s a ruling from ECHR on bloodline and removing background checks. Incredible how much political capital has been spent to get one man here and with those views.

ThatCyanCat · 29/12/2025 08:57

Incredible how much political capital has been spent to get one man here and with those views.

Which is why I'd like to know why? Who were the politicians trying to win over? For Starmer and his barmy army to make all these performative announcements welcoming the horrible bastard, they must have been playing to someone. Who?

HappyFace2025 · 29/12/2025 08:57

I would love his citizenship to be revoked but no doubt the government would have a legal fight on its hands.

ThatCyanCat · 29/12/2025 09:00

HappyFace2025 · 29/12/2025 08:57

I would love his citizenship to be revoked but no doubt the government would have a legal fight on its hands.

I'm no legal expert but I'd have thought that if they could revoke Shamima Begum's, they could revoke his?

PrettyDamnCosmic · 29/12/2025 09:03

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/12/2025 16:14

Statute of limitations has passed. The posts are over a decade old.

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Statute of limitations has passed. The posts are over a decade old.

The UK has no statute of limitations for indictable criminal offences. Quite recently there was the case of a 75 year old man imprisoned for life for a murder committed nearly 58 years ago.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36xw0ryw51o