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To feel like I don’t like men anymore

463 replies

Dogsinsantasuits · 23/12/2025 21:38

Not as in not attracted to them, although I am less bothered these days
It’s almost like i’m coming to a realisation that most (not all) are not great and women are infinitely stronger people.
Is this an age thing-late 40’s? Sad as I used to really like men. Now all I see around me is amazing women with men who aren’t a patch on them or dangerous and/or perverted men in the news.

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Rubyslippers25 · 24/12/2025 15:44

VoltaireMittyDream · 24/12/2025 01:29

I’m going to go out on a limb and say there’s a particular issue with fecklessness, grumpiness and inertia among straight men middle aged and older. I know a lot of gay men who are hugely capable and energetic and engaged / engaging throughout the lifespan, but relatively few straight men who make it past 50 without becoming helpless, grouchy, embittered, and sedentary.

I don’t notice so much of an age-related temperamental change in women unless they are living alone in their 70s and beyond, when I think there’s a tendency to become quite anxious and rigid about plans.

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Maybe that's because gay men don't have a female partner who they expect will do everything for them so they have to be less lazy?

Moonlightfrog · 24/12/2025 15:47

I think it’s an age thing and being wise. I am 44 and feel the same, most men I meet seem pretty pathetic, some are very needy and childish. I have a few male friends but there’s no way I would want to spend more than the odd day with them. I think we just become less tolerant of bull shit as we get older and we realise that we don’t need a man to complete us. I love being single, love my own company and I don’t miss the hassle of being in a relationship.

Luckyingame · 24/12/2025 15:49

TrishM80 · 24/12/2025 15:40

Oh yes of course, that's the reason. 😂

I wonder how many of the amazing competent women on this thread who are shitting all over useless men can even change a car tyre on their own? Very few I'd imagine. Despite their amazing competence.

Can't they? They might not use a car to bother with this.
How about fixing a roof, window, cutting grass with a scythe, build a wall, fire a licensed weapon?
Competent, independent women don't need men for anything, not even to become pregnant anymore. 😂
Interesting I live in these times.

SillyNavyTiger · 24/12/2025 15:52

arethereanyleftatall · 24/12/2025 15:25

Oh my, this is really embarrassing for you. You’ve completely misunderstood and it really wasn’t difficult. Something is beginning to make sense now 😂. Not nearly all men commit crimes, but of the crimes are committed, nearly all are committed by men. 😂

and yet, "men" are our enemies, and women talk about "sisterhood" but come up with these nasty little posts 😂calling themselves superior. Love this.

Thank you so much for proving my point. 👏😂😂 It doesn't help the stereotypes against women, so I should be annoyed but you are too funny.

And read the post I was replying to, that might help 😉

SpoonBaloon · 24/12/2025 15:55

JHound · 24/12/2025 09:58

I think these posts are the very opposite of an “incel’s wet dream”.

Incels hate women because they cannot get the specific ones they feel entitled to.

I don’t see that happening here.

Have you read the thread? There are loads of posts where a woman wishing she could be whisked away by a tall, strong man who’ll provide for her. “There are no good ones left”.

And they do seem to think they’re entitled to one.

This is exactly what we are told boys believe women think and we offer mealy mouthed denials but this thread seems to show that it’s a reality.

SillyNavyTiger · 24/12/2025 16:00

arethereanyleftatall · 24/12/2025 14:58

Many - most - adults of oil rig age have children. Mums, luckily, recognise that being present to bring up their children is one of the most important jobs ever, so would rule out such a job.

How insulting, and depressing that some people still believe that.

Women can, and DO work in jobs where they have to work away, to travel, to be deployed. Mothers can proudly join the military and do any job a dad can do.

Life doesn't stop because you have children. We don't expect all men to become office workers doing a 9 to 5 weekdays the minute they have a baby, why on earth should we expect women to do that, if they don't want to?

It's 2025, no place for that backward thinking. "Stepford wives" are a movie character, not a role model.

We should be grateful that children can be proud of their working mum just as much as they are proud of their dads. Being an amazing mother doesn't mean you have to stay home if you don't want to.

KimberleyClark · 24/12/2025 16:00

Luckyingame · 24/12/2025 15:49

Can't they? They might not use a car to bother with this.
How about fixing a roof, window, cutting grass with a scythe, build a wall, fire a licensed weapon?
Competent, independent women don't need men for anything, not even to become pregnant anymore. 😂
Interesting I live in these times.

Women still need men to become pregnant. Humans can’t yet reproduce by parthenogenesis or immaculate conception. Sperm has to come from somewhere, it can’t be manufactured, where do you think it comes from?

SpoonBaloon · 24/12/2025 16:03

fishtank12345 · 24/12/2025 14:14

I cant speak for all men but I have felt failed by all the men in my life. Dh is soft and kind but clearly neurodiverse. I take on most of life planning. My dad... no longer see him was very selfish and aggressive. My mum married another 3 men... horrible people.

I think a woman who marries at least three times and has a daughter by a fourth man is also letting you down, tbh.

TrishM80 · 24/12/2025 16:03

Luckyingame · 24/12/2025 15:49

Can't they? They might not use a car to bother with this.
How about fixing a roof, window, cutting grass with a scythe, build a wall, fire a licensed weapon?
Competent, independent women don't need men for anything, not even to become pregnant anymore. 😂
Interesting I live in these times.

I'd be genuinely surprised if more than 10% of women could change a car tyre unassisted from start to finish.

likeafishneedsabike · 24/12/2025 16:05

TrishM80 · 24/12/2025 16:03

I'd be genuinely surprised if more than 10% of women could change a car tyre unassisted from start to finish.

Cringing in shame that I have no idea how to….Time to learn.

OverlyFragrant · 24/12/2025 16:08

TrishM80 · 24/12/2025 16:03

I'd be genuinely surprised if more than 10% of women could change a car tyre unassisted from start to finish.

Not many men know how to do this either. Its not like knowing how to change tyres is specific to the Y chromosome, like anything it is a skill that is learnt.

Luckyingame · 24/12/2025 16:14

KimberleyClark · 24/12/2025 16:00

Women still need men to become pregnant. Humans can’t yet reproduce by parthenogenesis or immaculate conception. Sperm has to come from somewhere, it can’t be manufactured, where do you think it comes from?

Alright, Kimberley!
I guess I meant the use of a sperm bank,
I'm aware of sperm coming from men.
"No direct contact with a man", I should have used!
From some of your posts, you seem very down to earth and no nonsense, so next time I'll be precise! 😊

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 24/12/2025 16:25

TrishM80 · 24/12/2025 14:47

But if practicality all men are useless shits, and practically all women are amazing competent superwomen, or so we're led to believe on this thread, how come there isn't even one all-female oil rig in the North Sea for example?

Why are they all operated by useless, incompetent men?

Most people on here are talking about how men act in relationships and family dynamics.
Who cares what job they do if they’re fucking useless fathers and husbands..

ChristmasCwtch · 24/12/2025 16:30

So many men are lazy and entitled. There will be a swarm of posts tomorrow from poor wives who’ve given everything to make Christmas special and receive nothing from their significant other. Really sad!!

Nearly all of the women I know are amazing!!

StressedoutTeddy845 · 24/12/2025 16:34

SillyNavyTiger · 24/12/2025 16:00

How insulting, and depressing that some people still believe that.

Women can, and DO work in jobs where they have to work away, to travel, to be deployed. Mothers can proudly join the military and do any job a dad can do.

Life doesn't stop because you have children. We don't expect all men to become office workers doing a 9 to 5 weekdays the minute they have a baby, why on earth should we expect women to do that, if they don't want to?

It's 2025, no place for that backward thinking. "Stepford wives" are a movie character, not a role model.

We should be grateful that children can be proud of their working mum just as much as they are proud of their dads. Being an amazing mother doesn't mean you have to stay home if you don't want to.

But that depends on a parent having the job that stays with the kids. Both parents cannot be away for months at a time. A parent cannot choose to work on an oil rig or 80 hours a week in a City job without the support of the other parent. One parent has to be there to pick up from nursery, to give dinner etc. Doesn't have to be a SAHM but they have to be present outside of 9-5 Monday- Friday.

The entire point of this thread is that women don't have these kinds of choices because men are also not supporting them in these choices by not pulling their weight at home.

And this is where the anger and disappointment is coming from.

StressedoutTeddy845 · 24/12/2025 16:37

TrishM80 · 24/12/2025 16:03

I'd be genuinely surprised if more than 10% of women could change a car tyre unassisted from start to finish.

I can pay someone to change my car tyre. I cannot pay someone to be a caring parent and husband.

And that's the point. So many women work and make money while also handling everything at home.

It's not enough for a man to go to work, take out the trash and change a tyre once in a while. Many women handle all that and more.

FlockOfSausages · 24/12/2025 16:38

SillyNavyTiger · 24/12/2025 15:15

yes, it is , nearly all men.
Give me strength. I sincerely hope you haven't got sons 🙄

Do you genuinely believe that (nearly) all men you live with/ live next to/ work with/ look after your own children/ look after your health, all the male emergency service and rescue workers, (nearly) ALL the men are jumping to war/ rape/ murder? Seriously?

Do you see (nearly) all male figure around you as a threat? For real?

Its not all men.
If all men were dangerous, we wouldn’t be talking about 1 in 5 girls abused before 16 — we’d be talking about almost all of them.

Women don’t have to like or trust men. And they don’t have to justify it either. The statistics speak for themselves.

arethereanyleftatall · 24/12/2025 16:48

This is just silly. Do we really have to pretend that men don’t commit 98% of serious sexual assault, or that they’re not the physically stronger sex, or that 1 in 4 women have been sexually assaulted in some way by a man. That means that one in every four women seeing a doctor has been sexually assaulted by a male. It is outrageous to suggest that these women who have been traumatised should keep quiet over their fears, rather than risk being prejudiced. It isn’t about prejudice, it’s about stats.

JohnTheRevelator · 24/12/2025 16:57

This is why I'm happily single.

TwistedWonder · 24/12/2025 17:01

I like men. I get on really well with my ex DH, I adore my adult son and i have fabulous male friends. However the older I get, the less appealing being im a relationship with a man is.

And anyone happily coupled up really doesn’t get what the men on offer out there are like. I didn’t have a clue until i found myself single at 50.

Fixydodah · 24/12/2025 17:17

Who cares about changing tyres or working on oil rigs, it’s about them as people and their many deficiencies in that direction.

And yes, dangerous men are all around us all the time. Look at Pelicot inviting men to rape his wife. All those men, who all lived close to her, who took up his kind offer. Men of all ages, ethnicity and professions. Everyday men who walk among us.

This is from The Guardian about the case…
of the shocking things about these 50 rapists is that their only common denominator was that they were from the same 50km radius. (Dominique Pelicot didn’t want to take chances on the drugs wearing off.) They came from every class, from every age group (the youngest was 27, the oldest 74) – a lorry driver, a soldier, a journalist, a DJ. They were single, they were married, they were fathers, they were not. They were such a perfect randomised cross-section of society that the world tied itself in knots to come to a sensible conclusion that wasn’t: “This is what men are.”

SillyNavyTiger · 24/12/2025 17:17

FlockOfSausages · 24/12/2025 16:38

Its not all men.
If all men were dangerous, we wouldn’t be talking about 1 in 5 girls abused before 16 — we’d be talking about almost all of them.

Women don’t have to like or trust men. And they don’t have to justify it either. The statistics speak for themselves.

women don't have to do anything. I just can't imagine what kind of life you have if you don't trust and avoid half the population, when the biggest majority of said population is perfectly decent.

A few individuals don't define the entire group. They do a lot of damage, but they don't define anything.

I can't imagine assuming that a man is an abuser unless proven otherwise, anymore than I would assume a woman is a "sister" (or whatever bullshit term someone will come up with) until she proves otherwise.

Pinkwhales · 24/12/2025 17:18

arethereanyleftatall · 23/12/2025 23:32

the most amazing dad ever is basically a bog standard everyday mum.

This is so true.

Pinkwhales · 24/12/2025 17:33

CBA to trawl the whole thread to find the post about fitting a spare tyre .... Many cars no longer have a spare tyre anyway.

The point OP is making us that while many men are decent who has the time or energy in middle age to sift through the pool to find one.

If I was single again no way would I want to get into a long term relationship again. Few dates maybe but that is all.

XWKD · 24/12/2025 17:43

I know two men who are doing a great job bringing up their children since their wives died.

It's easy to generalise.

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