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Just been told to remove my pronouns from my Teams profile

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Horrace · 18/12/2025 10:11

I'm weak 🤣
My manager just phoned me to say there has been some serious complaints made about me that he must urgently address.
I panicked.
In the Pronouns section of my Teams profile, I have

'Take a Wild Guess'

Its been there for a few years. Its finally been noticed and I've been told to take it down because it's made someone or more than one possibly, FEARFUL of me.

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Horrace · 18/12/2025 10:43

SoScarletItWas · 18/12/2025 10:37

I’ve been picked up on this twice which is fair. I hesitated over it as I was typing at speed. I’m trying to consider than someone who has gone through surgery and is legally now ‘recorded’ as female on documentation etc would be (clumsy word) genuinely trans.

I agree that their fundamental biology hasn’t changed and cannot change. I didn’t mean ‘genuinely trans’ indicated that it had.

My personal view is that calling trans women ‘trans women’ is fine and we shouldn’t have to call them ‘women’ but there are so many pitfalls in this discussion that I will paint myself into a corner that doesn’t represent my actual thoughts.

I still feel that OP’s choice of words was antagonistic.

I meant to be antagonising. Or at least pointing out the ludicrous views that my employer is trying to push on it's employees and woe betide anyone that that has a personal opinion that differs to them.

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JellySaurus · 18/12/2025 10:43

‘Have a wild guess”. You could be someone who changes their presentation from day to day, and you never know in which identity you will wake up. Your interlocutors will have to take a wild guess depending upon whether Horresse is wearing pink leggings with ‘her’ blonde hair flopping loose, or whether Horace is wearing black formal robe with ‘his’ blond hair slicked neatly back into a pony tail.

MurkyMo · 18/12/2025 10:44

😅

Ddakji · 18/12/2025 10:44

Plateofcrumbs · 18/12/2025 10:39

It’s just pronouns. I have a first name that is commonly a given name for both males and females. Having pronouns on my email or teams profile avoids confusion. There doesn’t have to be any “ideology” about it.

Of course it does. No one cares about your unisex name. People have had unisex names for centuries.

This is 100% about the normalisation of the distortion of language to shore up gender ideology.

Journeycake · 18/12/2025 10:45

That cracked me up OP 😂 glad some people still have a sense of humour.

anniegun · 18/12/2025 10:45

It is a very unprofessional thing to have in your profile.

TorroFerney · 18/12/2025 10:46

Plateofcrumbs · 18/12/2025 10:39

It’s just pronouns. I have a first name that is commonly a given name for both males and females. Having pronouns on my email or teams profile avoids confusion. There doesn’t have to be any “ideology” about it.

Confusion over what?

Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 18/12/2025 10:47

whittingtonmum · 18/12/2025 10:22

I think this can be interpreted as ridiculing those who share their preferred pronouns at work. I would not call this is professional behaviour or think it's acceptable in the workplace. If I were your manager I would have asked you to take this down before complaints come in. You don't have to share your preferred pronouns if you don't wish to do so but 'take a wild guess' is not appropriate in the workplace. No doubt transphopbic mumsnetters will disagree but wonder how many of them work professionally in environments where diversity and inclusion are regarded as part of a professional business environment.

Nobody cares mate.

CountryMouse22 · 18/12/2025 10:47

I don't understand.

AnSolas · 18/12/2025 10:47

whittingtonmum · 18/12/2025 10:22

I think this can be interpreted as ridiculing those who share their preferred pronouns at work. I would not call this is professional behaviour or think it's acceptable in the workplace. If I were your manager I would have asked you to take this down before complaints come in. You don't have to share your preferred pronouns if you don't wish to do so but 'take a wild guess' is not appropriate in the workplace. No doubt transphopbic mumsnetters will disagree but wonder how many of them work professionally in environments where diversity and inclusion are regarded as part of a professional business environment.

Yawn

Pronouns were never professional and never about DIE. It was a bully boy tatict by transactivists to force people to be seen to comply.

It has been proven over and over that it disadvantaged women when the focus is on their sex lady brain rather than their job function.

And it was and still is also a realllllly fuuuuckn stupid idea for a HR professional to suggest their organisation to provide documented proof which can be used against themselves in a HR dispute.

Hesse · 18/12/2025 10:48

whittingtonmum · 18/12/2025 10:22

I think this can be interpreted as ridiculing those who share their preferred pronouns at work. I would not call this is professional behaviour or think it's acceptable in the workplace. If I were your manager I would have asked you to take this down before complaints come in. You don't have to share your preferred pronouns if you don't wish to do so but 'take a wild guess' is not appropriate in the workplace. No doubt transphopbic mumsnetters will disagree but wonder how many of them work professionally in environments where diversity and inclusion are regarded as part of a professional business environment.

There are lots of us working in Education where this anti-scientific nonsense has taken hold. I'm guessing you're NHS.

It's not inclusive - it erases women. I've had an 'inclusive' colleague correct my English with regard to pronouns for an individual who had left our workplace and was no longer a colleague. Bonkers.

Maray1967 · 18/12/2025 10:48

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 18/12/2025 10:39

A fella at work has his pronouns as His/Majesty.

I told my HE line manager if we were forced to add pronouns I was going with HRH/YRH, he laughed and said he very much hoped we wouldn’t be, and we haven’t been.

luckylavender · 18/12/2025 10:48

I think it’s quite childish & unprofessional. I wouldn’t be happy if one of my team did that.

KimuraTan · 18/12/2025 10:49

RobinEllacotStrike · 18/12/2025 10:15

change pronouns to No/Thankyou?

This 🤣🤣

inamarina · 18/12/2025 10:49

justpassmethemouse · 18/12/2025 10:29

Have you guys not thought that maybe Alex, Sam and Charlie may not want to be called the wrong pronouns for their cisgender identity?

If I were Alex from accounts and someone was talking about me without me being present and without them knowing whether I’m a man or a woman, it wouldn’t bother me if they accidentally used the incorrect pronouns.
If they were talking about me with me being present they would be perfectly capable to correctly establish that I’m a woman.

PoppysAunt · 18/12/2025 10:49

Also, you should never, ever force people to "out" themselves.
Insisting on pronouns does just that.

bigboykitty · 18/12/2025 10:50

whittingtonmum · 18/12/2025 10:22

I think this can be interpreted as ridiculing those who share their preferred pronouns at work. I would not call this is professional behaviour or think it's acceptable in the workplace. If I were your manager I would have asked you to take this down before complaints come in. You don't have to share your preferred pronouns if you don't wish to do so but 'take a wild guess' is not appropriate in the workplace. No doubt transphopbic mumsnetters will disagree but wonder how many of them work professionally in environments where diversity and inclusion are regarded as part of a professional business environment.

Ridiculing others. Do you think that's a bit of a reach? Are we not having transphobic bigot as well?

SabrinaThwaite · 18/12/2025 10:51

justpassmethemouse · 18/12/2025 10:29

Have you guys not thought that maybe Alex, Sam and Charlie may not want to be called the wrong pronouns for their cisgender identity?

I’m quite happy for people to assume I’m male for work purposes. You do get treated differently in some industries.

The only time it was an issue was when I arrived at a remote work site and they were expecting a bloke. One hasty reshuffle later I got my own en suite single cabin.

Ddakji · 18/12/2025 10:51

Ncncnca · 18/12/2025 10:36

I strongly disagree. You can have an opinion, but you can’t go around harassing people that share a different viewpoint.

Laughing at other people’s nonsense isn’t harassment. And anyone who publicly displays their adherence to a sexist, homophobic, child-abusing ideology at the workplace is frankly lucky to only get laughed at.

LuncheonInThePark · 18/12/2025 10:52

TorroFerney · 18/12/2025 10:46

Confusion over what?

Presumably the PP doesn't like being referred to as a man when she's a woman. Saves having to correct every person who has made an assumption based on her name.

I personally would be annoyed if everyone referred to me as he/him in emails because they'd not met me in person or spoken to me on the phone.

Daygloboo · 18/12/2025 10:52

Ddakji · 18/12/2025 10:43

YesX it changes over time - slowly, organically and ultimately with the consent of the majority.

But this not the evolution of language. It’s the distortion of language to shore up a sexist, homophobic, child-abusing ideology, and it should have no place at work.

Not necessarily slowly or organically..What about all the new words in OED every year. They are not evolved particularly slowly or organically. And the other stuff you said. That's such a generalisation as to be meaningless. I mean, come on. ALL trans people are those things ? Surely not. That's silly..

Angrybird76 · 18/12/2025 10:52

HappyNewTaxYear · 18/12/2025 10:32

What’s antagonistic is to have fully grown middle aged men stomping about in black mini dresses and tights in the City and expecting to be treated like a special kind of woman in the workplace. It’s bloody insulting.

However I think there are fewer of them now than a couple of years ago. Maybe it was all simply too much trouble.

I work in 'the city' (which I assume is London) and have done for many years in a number of different organisations. i have never seen grown middle age men stomping about in black mini dresses expecting to be treated like a woman, either in the workplace or elsewhere. I did, years ago, work with one transgender who was very nice, reasonable and did not demand anything. They also used the disabled toilet so as not to 'offend' anyone. As a very senior manager i have dealt with my fair share of stomping men, but none of them wearing tights.

Ddakji · 18/12/2025 10:52

LuncheonInThePark · 18/12/2025 10:37

I haven't, I've already said I do not list my 'preferred' pronouns because I'm a woman so it's self explanatory.

Writing 'take a wild guess' under anything on a work profile is unprofessional, and the only reason people are pretending they don't see that is because which section it was written under.

The existence of that section is unprofessional.

Hoardasurass · 18/12/2025 10:53

whittingtonmum · 18/12/2025 10:22

I think this can be interpreted as ridiculing those who share their preferred pronouns at work. I would not call this is professional behaviour or think it's acceptable in the workplace. If I were your manager I would have asked you to take this down before complaints come in. You don't have to share your preferred pronouns if you don't wish to do so but 'take a wild guess' is not appropriate in the workplace. No doubt transphopbic mumsnetters will disagree but wonder how many of them work professionally in environments where diversity and inclusion are regarded as part of a professional business environment.

Tell me which other acts of religious observance do these so called professional environments request their staff to preform? And how does that request fit on with a diverse and inclusive environment?

EasternStandard · 18/12/2025 10:54

justpassmethemouse · 18/12/2025 10:29

Have you guys not thought that maybe Alex, Sam and Charlie may not want to be called the wrong pronouns for their cisgender identity?

I know I don’t want to be referred to ‘cis’. I’d take an incorrect assumption over that. Not that it’s ever happened.