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Just been told to remove my pronouns from my Teams profile

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Horrace · 18/12/2025 10:11

I'm weak 🤣
My manager just phoned me to say there has been some serious complaints made about me that he must urgently address.
I panicked.
In the Pronouns section of my Teams profile, I have

'Take a Wild Guess'

Its been there for a few years. Its finally been noticed and I've been told to take it down because it's made someone or more than one possibly, FEARFUL of me.

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Seriestwo · 18/12/2025 13:53

If someone is made fearful by pronouns then they probably need to go off sick and see a psychologist. That’s batshite

Millytante · 18/12/2025 13:54

whittingtonmum · 18/12/2025 10:22

I think this can be interpreted as ridiculing those who share their preferred pronouns at work. I would not call this is professional behaviour or think it's acceptable in the workplace. If I were your manager I would have asked you to take this down before complaints come in. You don't have to share your preferred pronouns if you don't wish to do so but 'take a wild guess' is not appropriate in the workplace. No doubt transphopbic mumsnetters will disagree but wonder how many of them work professionally in environments where diversity and inclusion are regarded as part of a professional business environment.

Yeah, have to agree. No way on Earth would I agree to play the pronouns game at work (and I agree, let ‘em guess, because I couldn't care less) but still, you never know how others receive attempts at wit or sarcasm and it’s best to avoid such indulgence.
You'd be amazed OP how some people take humour, never mind sarcasm. In this particular case, it’s inevitable some would take your phrase as dismissive of other’s choices.
Bullying is always the default complaint.

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 13:57

I work for a global company and I actually find pronouns quite useful as I cannot always tell by the persons name if they are a man or a woman.

MissDoubleU · 18/12/2025 13:59

Horrace · 18/12/2025 13:34

By leaving my pronouns blank, all colleagues will now have to take a guess at my pronouns.

I wonder what would happen if your colleagues now used he/him pronouns with you as you haven’t clarified and have made no preference known. Would it upset you/would you be offended at being misgendered?

ThatBlackCat · 18/12/2025 14:00

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 13:57

I work for a global company and I actually find pronouns quite useful as I cannot always tell by the persons name if they are a man or a woman.

No need to know. Just address them by their name.

Horrace · 18/12/2025 14:01

MissDoubleU · 18/12/2025 13:59

I wonder what would happen if your colleagues now used he/him pronouns with you as you haven’t clarified and have made no preference known. Would it upset you/would you be offended at being misgendered?

Well I'd hope they'd address me by my name. I dont give a shit what they call me behind my back

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Ddakji · 18/12/2025 14:02

MissDoubleU · 18/12/2025 13:59

I wonder what would happen if your colleagues now used he/him pronouns with you as you haven’t clarified and have made no preference known. Would it upset you/would you be offended at being misgendered?

Using he/him for someone female isn’t misgendering as those words don’t refer to someone’s gender, they refer to their sex.

I would laugh if anyone used he/him for me.

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Fandangoes · 18/12/2025 14:07

AgentPidge · 18/12/2025 10:27

Excellent!

I really don't understand about the pronouns thing. It's for talking about you when you're not there, such a niche thing to be concerned about. (I'd rather state my choice of biscuits, tbh, or the fact that I'm not a morning person so not to expect a conversation at 9 am.) But if you decline to state your pronouns and therefore people are 'forced' to guess, and you obviously don't care how they refer to you, why is that a problem? If you're Alex from Accounts and people can't tell if you should be she or he, they can call you "that wanker from Accounts" or "Alex" if they want to be polite, but it won't matter to you because you aren't there at the time!

I love this idea! Can I put (oat milk / no sugar)

Ddakji · 18/12/2025 14:08

whittingtonmum · 18/12/2025 13:14

If I were you I would carefully read your employers bullying and harassment policy and reflect on how much I'd fancy the risk of being taken through a disciplinary or grievance procedure.

If the answer is not very much I would adjust my attitude and behaviour at work accordingly (suggest that laughing in the meeting with your manager wasn't the best move you could have made if you wanted to avoid risk).

Of course if you don't care that much about your current employment, future references etc just behave how you see fit. It wouldn't be considered good professional judgement in many workplaces.

It might interest you to know that the vast majority of employment tribunals on the basis of gender critical belief find in favour of the gender critical employee. That would be quite a risky step for the employer to take, to suggest that laughing at an ideology is bullying or harassment.

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 14:08

ThatBlackCat · 18/12/2025 14:00

No need to know. Just address them by their name.

Well I am saying I find it very useful as we often do use pronouns in emails and then it’s easier to get them right.

Diverze · 18/12/2025 14:12

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Are you ok?

I'm wearing jeans and a jumper. As it happens so is my trans daughter. She just made herself an egg sandwich.

She's just living in a way that makes sense to her. I am sorry that appears to make you so angry.

Ddakji · 18/12/2025 14:12

Diverze · 18/12/2025 12:19

Because they don't want to? Though if forced DC tends to use the men's, but doesn't feel she belongs in there.
I have no intention of policing that. You don't understand what it feels like to trans and neither do I. I just believe that she would rather not go than use male facilities, and knows if she uses female facilities she will make others feel uncomfortable. If forced, she chooses her own discomfort over making others uncomfortable.

So what? I don’t care if someone male doesn’t want to use the gents, that’s where they belong and they can sure as hell stay out of the ladies. Oh, and nowadays plenty of women and girls restrict fluids, especially in schools, as they know their spaces are no longer their own. So thanks for that.

And campaign for more third spaces - if trans activists had spent the last 10 years doing that instead of trying to invade and colonise spaces that are not there’s, the situation might be very different.

But of course that’s not what they want.

ACynicalDad · 18/12/2025 14:16

Dancingsquirrels · 18/12/2025 12:10

If my name was eg Alex, I might be happy if some people assumed I might be male. It's well known that some people still take men more seriously in the workplace

I'm more thinking of ethnic minority names.

Diverze · 18/12/2025 14:17

Ddakji · 18/12/2025 14:12

So what? I don’t care if someone male doesn’t want to use the gents, that’s where they belong and they can sure as hell stay out of the ladies. Oh, and nowadays plenty of women and girls restrict fluids, especially in schools, as they know their spaces are no longer their own. So thanks for that.

And campaign for more third spaces - if trans activists had spent the last 10 years doing that instead of trying to invade and colonise spaces that are not there’s, the situation might be very different.

But of course that’s not what they want.

Thats not what "they" want?

It absolutely 100 percent is what my trans daughter wants.

And she does "stay the hell out of the ladies". You cannot force her to use the men's. She has autonomy and free will and she chooses not to use toilets that are not 3rd space. I genuinely don't understand why that riles you.

My children - the boy, the girl, the trans woman who was a boy - ALL hated unisex toilet provision in school. I don't think you can blame my one trans daughter who transitioned 18 months ago for that policy, nor me for that matter.

5128gap · 18/12/2025 14:17

MissDoubleU · 18/12/2025 13:59

I wonder what would happen if your colleagues now used he/him pronouns with you as you haven’t clarified and have made no preference known. Would it upset you/would you be offended at being misgendered?

I decline to share my pronouns. In meetings I just ignore the 'invitation' and give my name and role and leave the pronoun part out.
Everyone calls me my name or 'you' to my face, as is customary. When speaking about me, as far as I'm aware they continue to say 'she' just as people have for the decades of my career spent before stating pronouns was a thing.
On one occasion, an EDI trainer chose to refer to me as 'they'. It amused me tbh as it was clearly done to make a point as the appropriate pronoun for me could never be in any serious doubt.

grinchmcgrinchface · 18/12/2025 14:19

I would purposely put she/him on there to confuse them further.

itsthetea · 18/12/2025 14:23

It rules because it’s a male person putting their desire over that of women

as per usual

bevuade you can’t change sex and sex is your body not your brain. And the sooner your child understands that the healthier they will be

if your transgender child had any female traits then putting their nose in where it wasn’t wanted clearly isn’t one of them

Plateofcrumbs · 18/12/2025 14:29

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 13:57

I work for a global company and I actually find pronouns quite useful as I cannot always tell by the persons name if they are a man or a woman.

Yes I find it helpful to know that "Arya" (for example) is a man because if I was forced to guess I'd 100% assume it was a female name. And it probably doesn't make a difference to him directly as I'm not calling him "she", but it's culturally sensitive to be able to say "I've asked Arya for the report, he'll have it over by Thursday" rather than getting it wrong or just having to dance around the fact I don't know.

itsthetea · 18/12/2025 14:31

As someone who was often mistaken for a male

trust me I would rather people do that than than what happens when they know you are female and so ignore you and assume you are the groups secretary - even when told you are the technical lead

DeathBanana · 18/12/2025 14:39

It’s difficult to argue that sex is important and should not be vague at the same time resisting people specifying their sex when it may not be clear. Eg you have Alex, Sam, Faith or Tejas who you may communicate with daily but haven’t actually seen or spoken in person to, giving you the heads up to which sex they are 🤷🏼‍♀️

”I’ve spoken to Jivan and he / she said it would be done by the end of the week”. It’s handy to know right?

FollowSpot · 18/12/2025 14:40

Plateofcrumbs · 18/12/2025 14:29

Yes I find it helpful to know that "Arya" (for example) is a man because if I was forced to guess I'd 100% assume it was a female name. And it probably doesn't make a difference to him directly as I'm not calling him "she", but it's culturally sensitive to be able to say "I've asked Arya for the report, he'll have it over by Thursday" rather than getting it wrong or just having to dance around the fact I don't know.

You can always put ‘Ms xxxx surname’ in your signature.

DeathBanana · 18/12/2025 14:42

FollowSpot · 18/12/2025 14:40

You can always put ‘Ms xxxx surname’ in your signature.

That would be weird and like you’d fallen into 1952

LiftAndCoast · 18/12/2025 14:45

justpassmethemouse · 18/12/2025 12:11

The definition of “cis” means “on the same side as” - would you be able to explain why this is offensive?

Trans means that you have a gender identity that does not align with your biological sex. 'Cis' means that you have a gender identity that does align with your biological sex. So what does that mean? 'Gender identity' itself is about feelings, characteristics, and personal expression.

I don't have a gender identity. When you call me 'cis' you're assuming that I have a feminine gender identity to match my female body, when in fact I have experienced femininity as oppression since I was a very small girl. I don't identify as loving high heels and shopping, as being emotional or submissive, or with most of the other characteristics that have been culturally marked as feminine. The same characteristics that many transwomen say are what makes them women.*

As a woman who rejects sex role stereotypes (which is what we used to call this 'gender' business) and who is a feminist, yes, calling me 'cis' offends me.

*It's invariably some combination of liking feminine clothes, hair, and makeup, liking a sexually submissive role (see 'sissies' - or don't, unless you have a strong stomach), or else some kind of inchoate feeling they claim is womanhood, to which I say firstly that we're individuals, not a hive mind sharing the same womanly feelings, and secondly, no man knows how it feels to be any woman, any more than I know how it feels to be a man, a horse, or a tree. He might know how it feels to be uncomfortable with male stereotypes or with his male body. That's not the same as being female.