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Thread 21 : To feel disappointed - and now disgusted too - after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 16/12/2025 16:15

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The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

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Links to threads 2-16, the other 20 Observer articles and videos to date, Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement, our timeline and sources can all be accessed in the OP and first few posts of Thread 17: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5403285-thread-17-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

Thread 18: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5422393-thread-18-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

Thread 19: www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5437058-thread-19-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

Thread 20: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5454438-thread-20-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse are welcome. It would be helpful to get the background from at least some of the Observer exposé items before posting.
To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Remember, even Hollywood rabbits attract the odd flea. Please do not engage with drive-by scolders and ploppers who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. Over 5 months we have done amazingly well together for 20 very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

Keep to the path. No saltiness. Our Cardboard Mascot Our Simon has had his head stuck back on and is wearing a very fetching tinsel boa. The charabanc is bedecked with fairy lights and very well stocked up. May the seasonal fudge and mulled cider be with you one and all. 🎅🌲🎁❄️🎄

These threads are the gifts that keep on giving:
New:

Up and coming:

  • Observer Newsroom: The Real Salt Path Story, Thursday 8th January 2026 6.30-7.30pm. More information and to book via this link observer.co.uk/our-events/the-real-salt-path-story
  • Podcast series from The Observer's award-winning Investigative Journalist Chloe Hadjimatheou
  • BBC Documentary (NB Not involving Our Chloe)
*MNHQ correcting above 'Documentary' to 'Podcast' at request of author

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BemusingBrandy · 05/01/2026 18:51

SimonArmpit · 05/01/2026 18:27

You could have got return flight from the UK to Iceland in midwinter for around £50-60 pp back in 2019. Cheap for a a reason...

Also, thinking about why they went twice when they would have been restricted in what they could do ... I think it must be the man who only reads (and performs?) the one book makes a connection to the Icelandic sagas. So only has one idea for a holiday ....?

SimonArmpit · 05/01/2026 18:53

SimoArmo · 05/01/2026 18:37

All good points. To add a further date observation...as the consultation was 11 Oct 2019 and the book review published in April 2020 (in a quarterly journal), it is conceivable that Davies was told about, or even given the book by them at the consultation. Not conclusive by any means, but still something. It was likely too late to include a review in the Winter edition given magazines and journals line up content well ahead of print. So it would make sense he put it in the next available slot for the Spring issue, IF he is indeed Tim's consultant.

What's more, think about the fact the consultant states in 2019 that he last saw Tim a number of years ago...which certainly suggests he isn't Tim's regular Dr for assessments and check ups, or who conveyed the initial DaTScan results...so why all of a sudden do they travel all the way from Haye Farm in Cornwall to north Wales to attend his clinic? Again, was there a specific motive to want to see this particular consultant?

Edited

So to be clear, there are 3 neurologist letters which (from the content seem to be from the same consultant...)

  1. The first dates from June 2015 at which time, according to TSP, Raymoth are supposedly happily settled in Polruan with Moth some months into his course at Plymouth Uni which started in Sept 2014.. (but didn't - it started in Sept 2015)
  2. The second dates from 2019 by which time Raymoth were living at Haye Farm in Cornwall, some distance from RD at the Walton Centre in Liverpool.
  3. The third letter dates from May 2025, (possibly shortly after Sal was contacted by CH) and is based on a Zoom interview with the self same neurologist (it seems) that saw Tim in 2019 and 2015.

If you were being somewhat cynical, you could envisage a scenario whereby the original 2015 tentative CBS diagnosis was heavily engineered by Raymoth and despite their reluctance to believe the initial diagnosis (according to TSP) they hung on to the diagnosis like grim death (to coin a sordid colloquialism) to the same neurologist despite the fact that he was based at the opposite end of the country from where they were living from 2015 and there were other eminently more qualified CBD/CBS experts located much nearer (ie Southampton) to them....

Freshsocks · 05/01/2026 18:58

A tame consultant is worth his weight in gold, well a few million quid anyway :)

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 05/01/2026 19:00

SimoArmo · 05/01/2026 18:50

I only know because i recall being bamboozled when suddenly weather reports jumped from E (Eowyn) to H (Herminia) within days with no F or G. Turns out storm naming differs among agencies and whoever calls it first takes precedence. Though I could be oversimplifying...seems like a dark and complex art. I wonder if there will ever be a Storm Raynor or Moth. They already have a shitstorm I suppose.

Yes, whomever is going to be hit by the worst effects of the storm, or where the storm will make landfall, gets to name it. Hence Claudia (which was named by the Italians), when the next storm we get to name will also begin with C, which will be Chandra. I'm looking forward to the one after that, because that's going to be Storm Dave.
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SimoArmo · 05/01/2026 19:04

SimonArmpit · 05/01/2026 18:53

So to be clear, there are 3 neurologist letters which (from the content seem to be from the same consultant...)

  1. The first dates from June 2015 at which time, according to TSP, Raymoth are supposedly happily settled in Polruan with Moth some months into his course at Plymouth Uni which started in Sept 2014.. (but didn't - it started in Sept 2015)
  2. The second dates from 2019 by which time Raymoth were living at Haye Farm in Cornwall, some distance from RD at the Walton Centre in Liverpool.
  3. The third letter dates from May 2025, (possibly shortly after Sal was contacted by CH) and is based on a Zoom interview with the self same neurologist (it seems) that saw Tim in 2019 and 2015.

If you were being somewhat cynical, you could envisage a scenario whereby the original 2015 tentative CBS diagnosis was heavily engineered by Raymoth and despite their reluctance to believe the initial diagnosis (according to TSP) they hung on to the diagnosis like grim death (to coin a sordid colloquialism) to the same neurologist despite the fact that he was based at the opposite end of the country from where they were living from 2015 and there were other eminently more qualified CBD/CBS experts located much nearer (ie Southampton) to them....

Yes, and even if they didn't originally seek a CBS/D diagnosis, but merely set out to get ANY diagnosis based on whatever real/fabricated symptoms, it does look like, as you suggest, that from the moment CBD was raised they latched on to it...then sought to keep it going by maintaining contact with the diagnosing consultant. An odd thing about the 2019 letter is it doesn't really explain why he is seeing Tim. Yes, he has migraines etc. But why this consultant hundreds of miles across the country who Tim has not seen in years? It may have made more sense to see this consultant if Tim had rapidly deteriorated. But that appears not to be the case. It seems more like a courtesy at their request, much like the video call in 2025.

TonstantWeader · 05/01/2026 19:09

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 05/01/2026 09:52

Oh and @TonstantWeader How is our Wild Pooing Correspondent doing?

Thanks for asking @Vroomfondleswaistcoat, he’s doing ok. He’s been through the wars a bit, but we think we know what’s happening now thanks to the specialist vets, so once we get a diagnosis, we can treat accordingly. You know how these things go. He’s lost a lot of weight (6kg, but luckily he’s a large breed lad) and he’s a baldy in places atm because of all the scans and biopsies, but he’s still standing and happy. Phew.

fascinating that OWH doesn’t feature in the 2026 highlights blurb. That feels a significant shift from the bullish ‘nothing to see here’ approach in July.

@ThisQuirkyRaven the speed with which PSPA disassociated themselves suggests to me that they had been starting to be suspicious for a while as TW continued hale and hearty as the years went by. They would know from bitter experience that this was, erm, unusual for that condition.

BemusingBrandy · 05/01/2026 19:13

DisappointedReader · 04/01/2026 18:24

Thank you @Peladon
If I were Police Chief Brody, I'd say "You're gonna need a bigger charabanc."

I am hoping that this thread will see the year out, but as that equates to roughly 1.77 posts per week, my grip on reality may be just as tenuous as the Walker-Wyn-Winns'!

Err ...as you mention it @DisappointedReader .....

DisappointedReader · 05/01/2026 19:36

Fear not gang, the charabanc engine is warming up nicely. I've been in negotiations with Aardman Animations, which basically involved drinking a lot of tea and eating a lot of cheese. It's a tough job but somebody had to do it. I'm delighted to announce that we are featuring in a special episode in which Wallace and Gromit invent some cracking contraptions to enable any extra correspondents and rovering reporters - especially those with digestive upsets and attacks of the dreaded winter lurgies - to travel in armchair comfort on the charabanc roof wearing flying hats and goggles. Wrap up warm folks, it's going to be a chilly ride over to thread 22!

New year, new thread:

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SimonArmpit · 05/01/2026 19:44

If you were an author who for narrative purposes concocted a fictitious diagnosis of CBD for somebody who had observed first symptoms some 6-8 years previously when the average life expectancy for somebody with such a condition is 6-8 years, then in order to show that it wasn't a misdiagnosis/something that had been engineered in the first place, wouldn't one "get out from jail free scenario" involve the shtick that the apparently arduous long distance walk miraculously stopped the disease in its tracks.....?

Same shtick repeated in TWs and LL and repeated by Sal and Tim in numerous interviews (including ones with Rick Stein and Mel Giedroyc/Martin Clunes) that if they hadn't walked the SWCP when they did, Moth would be dead...

Unless of course, he never had CBD in the first place and they never walked the SWCP in the way described in TSP.... Now that would be pathological lying or (depending on your viewpoint) telling "your truth":

"We are taking legal advice and won’t be making any further comment at this time. The Salt Path lays bare the physical and spiritual journey Moth and I shared, an experience that transformed us completely and altered the course of our lives. This is the true story of our journey" ( July 10).

Except that has now been changed to read as follows:

"The Salt Path is about what happened to Moth and me, after we lost our home and found ourselves homeless on the headlands of the south west. It’s not about every event or moment in our lives, but rather about a capsule of time when our lives moved from a place of complete despair to a place of hope. The journey held within those pages is one of salt and weather, of pain and possibility. And I can’t allow any more doubt to be cast on the validity of those memories, or the joy they have given so many."

"or the joy they have given so many" - a very interesting attempt to validate a deceitful pack of lies that was marketed as an unflinchingly honest travelogue and has subsequently proved to be anything but!

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 05/01/2026 19:56

It’s not about every event or moment in our lives, but rather about a capsule of time when our lives moved from a place of complete despair to a place of hope.

Nobody ever said it WAS about every event in their lives though, did they? Or even should have been. It looks as though this is an attempt to try to say 'well, we didn't mention the thefts, or the reason we lost our house, or the fact that we didn't do all the walk because we weren't documenting our entire lives, just a capsule of time.'

Sort of trying to wheedle out of so much by pretending that those things weren't necessary because they weren't part of the journey to 'a place of hope'.

HatStickBoots · 05/01/2026 20:42

👏🏻❤️ what a lot of brilliant posts!! Just catching up here!
@Vroomfondleswaistcoat your last paragraph above just sums them up completely. It always makes me ‘laugh’ when I read the scolding tone in her rebuttals and the hurt wheedling (as you so excellently describe it) regarding the “journey to a place of hope” that it must not be questioned. Con-people always do this. According to her, the reasons that they became homeless are irrelevant. They are not nice people, that is irrelevant also. Their “journey to a place of hope” in reality is that they hope they can get away with it. It’s clear to me that they don’t care one iota for anybody else unless they can be benefitted in some way.

ThisQuirkyRaven · 05/01/2026 20:59

I've got all three RW books on kindle. Just out of interest I searched "CBD" and "CBS" in all three. CBD gets mentioned between 11 and 22 times, depending on the book. CBS doesn't get a single mention. I just remembered someone quoting Salray stating that she used the terms interchangeably in defense of the diagnosis being questioned.

ThisQuirkyRaven · 05/01/2026 21:02

Actually, here's the actual quote "CBS is a rare condition, about which we still know very little. But to clarify how the condition is discussed - Corticobasal Degeneration, CBD (as I’ve described this condition in my previous books) is now more commonly referred to by neurologists as Corticobasal Syndrome, CBS. CBS being the clinical diagnosis which describes the symptoms observed during life, while reserving CBD for the disease observed at post-mortem. From here on I’ll refer to the condition as CBS"

SimoArmo · 05/01/2026 21:07

ThisQuirkyRaven · 05/01/2026 21:02

Actually, here's the actual quote "CBS is a rare condition, about which we still know very little. But to clarify how the condition is discussed - Corticobasal Degeneration, CBD (as I’ve described this condition in my previous books) is now more commonly referred to by neurologists as Corticobasal Syndrome, CBS. CBS being the clinical diagnosis which describes the symptoms observed during life, while reserving CBD for the disease observed at post-mortem. From here on I’ll refer to the condition as CBS"

More guff to hoodwink those who are willing to believe. She even contadicts herself by providing the 2015 letter that is very clearly using CBS. How recent is "now more commonly" in your medical dictionary Sally???

ThisQuirkyRaven · 05/01/2026 21:12

@SimoArmothe shift in use of terminology occurred in 2013 - two years before the 2015 diagnosis

ThisQuirkyRaven · 05/01/2026 21:14

"In 2013, an international consortium (Armstrong et al.) introduced updated diagnostic criteria to clarify the distinction between Corticobasal Degeneration (CBD) and Corticobasal Syndrome (CBS)"

Freshsocks · 05/01/2026 22:58

That's interesting @ThisQuirkyRaven, there shouldn't have been any confusion for Salray, if the difference had been clarified in 2013. It's more of the smoke and mirrors stuff that goes on around Tim's health.

NeverEnoughCake2 · 06/01/2026 00:00

Freshsocks · 05/01/2026 14:32

Yes quite @ThisQuirkyRaven, there are many medications that can affect a Datscan, and surprisingly the eye results can have other causes including some ear conditions.

Just coming back to this point, we know that TimMoth was seen in a pain clinic before being referred to neurology. Amitriptilene is a tricyclic antidepressant that's also commonly used to treat chronic pain. It's also a drug that could affect the accuracy of a datscan, leading to a false positive result (i.e. apparently low dopamine transport)

I'm wondering if TimMoth might have been taking amitriptyline for his pain symptoms, messing up the first scan result. If the second, "lit up like a christmas tree" datscan really happened, it could potentially be explained by Tim no longer taking the medication - a rather more prosaic explanation than walking the SWCP!

Freshsocks · 06/01/2026 00:12

That's right @NeverEnoughCake2, it's a far more plausible explanation than walking reversing, an irreversible condition.

Freshsocks · 06/01/2026 00:46

I just had a look at some information about preparing for a datscan @NeverEnoughCake2, the preparations include giving a list of medications taken, the person undergoing the scan should be aware that they must stop certain medications or they will interfere with the results, we don't know what drugs Tim was prescribed, or if he complied with preparation for the first scan.

Tim is supposed to be taking pregabalin, and withdrawing from it in TSP, I just had a look to see if pregabalin would interfere with a datscan, it apparently doesn't, but pregabalin in rare cases causes drug induced symptoms of Parkinsonism, for example, difficulty moving, tremors and stiffness, all reversed when the drug is stopped, there could be a few different things going on with Tim's recovery.

SpidersAreShitheads · 06/01/2026 05:02

ThisQuirkyRaven · 05/01/2026 21:14

"In 2013, an international consortium (Armstrong et al.) introduced updated diagnostic criteria to clarify the distinction between Corticobasal Degeneration (CBD) and Corticobasal Syndrome (CBS)"

While I don’t believe Salray’s glib explanation for suddenly pivoting to using CBS, it’s not unusual for changes to diagnostic criteria to take a while to filter through to clinical practice.

The obvious example is the changes to ASD, specifically when Asperger’s was removed as a diagnosis. Patients continued to receive new diagnoses for Asperger’s quite literally years after it was supposed to have been removed.

So if I was inclined to be generous, I would say that CBS being explicitly defined in 2013 doesn’t mean the same terminology was picked up in clinic until (potentially) quite a long time after.

Of course, I don’t believe a word of Salray’s explanation. She’s very clearly switching as she’s realised that she’s stretched the boundaries of plausibility too far. The diagnosis of CBS is far more flexible and can be used to suit her narrative.

SpidersAreShitheads · 06/01/2026 05:05

Freshsocks · 06/01/2026 00:46

I just had a look at some information about preparing for a datscan @NeverEnoughCake2, the preparations include giving a list of medications taken, the person undergoing the scan should be aware that they must stop certain medications or they will interfere with the results, we don't know what drugs Tim was prescribed, or if he complied with preparation for the first scan.

Tim is supposed to be taking pregabalin, and withdrawing from it in TSP, I just had a look to see if pregabalin would interfere with a datscan, it apparently doesn't, but pregabalin in rare cases causes drug induced symptoms of Parkinsonism, for example, difficulty moving, tremors and stiffness, all reversed when the drug is stopped, there could be a few different things going on with Tim's recovery.

My DM has a tremor and was on Gabapentine, the same group of drugs as Pregablin. She had to come off it for six months to rule out her tremor being caused by the medication.

SimoArmo · 06/01/2026 09:25

SpidersAreShitheads · 06/01/2026 05:02

While I don’t believe Salray’s glib explanation for suddenly pivoting to using CBS, it’s not unusual for changes to diagnostic criteria to take a while to filter through to clinical practice.

The obvious example is the changes to ASD, specifically when Asperger’s was removed as a diagnosis. Patients continued to receive new diagnoses for Asperger’s quite literally years after it was supposed to have been removed.

So if I was inclined to be generous, I would say that CBS being explicitly defined in 2013 doesn’t mean the same terminology was picked up in clinic until (potentially) quite a long time after.

Of course, I don’t believe a word of Salray’s explanation. She’s very clearly switching as she’s realised that she’s stretched the boundaries of plausibility too far. The diagnosis of CBS is far more flexible and can be used to suit her narrative.

Very true about there usually being a lag, but we know CBS was already being used by the consultant in 2015. And the diagnostic criteria formulated in 2013 suggests CBS was already in use before then (according to the research paper).

Sally probably only switched to CBS and her questionable terminology explanation in her rebuttal because CBS is what the 2015 letter said. So she had to align her argument to her evidence and I guess to avoid questions like "oh, he has CBS not CBD"...except that didn't work so much.

Because she did this, it strongly suggests there is no earlier evidence of a CBD diagnosis and that 2015 is the first time CBS or atypical parkinsonism is raised.

BemusingBrandy · 06/01/2026 09:36

DisappointedReader · 05/01/2026 19:36

Fear not gang, the charabanc engine is warming up nicely. I've been in negotiations with Aardman Animations, which basically involved drinking a lot of tea and eating a lot of cheese. It's a tough job but somebody had to do it. I'm delighted to announce that we are featuring in a special episode in which Wallace and Gromit invent some cracking contraptions to enable any extra correspondents and rovering reporters - especially those with digestive upsets and attacks of the dreaded winter lurgies - to travel in armchair comfort on the charabanc roof wearing flying hats and goggles. Wrap up warm folks, it's going to be a chilly ride over to thread 22!

New year, new thread:

Thread 22 : To feel disappointed - and now disgusted too - after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film? | Mumsnet

I am just sharing this again so everyone has a smooth charabanc ride to thread 22.

BemusingBrandy · 06/01/2026 09:37

After a gold and red sky sunrise, followed by a thick mist over the water - the sun is shining on the coast so sunglasses and wide-brimmed hats at the ready ....

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