To think that antisemitism now needs to be tackled in the strongest possible way?

[LucyWestenra]

The Bondi thread in chat was eye opening.

Forty pages and a lot of it whataboutery, excuses and vile antisemitism.

It’s disgusting.

It needs to be called out. It needs to be rooted out.

I feel so sorry for the Jewish communities everywhere. How can they possibly feel safe?

Thank you for sharing your experience.

I find all of this very sobering and upsetting.

I know it may not mean much (and i am a foreigner to these shores too although my husband isn’t) but you have an ally in me.

I stand with all Jewish people. Today, tomorrow and the day after that.

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No, that's not it at all. Israel is God's chosen nation, from a Christian viewpoint, this means that from the beginning of its formation (way back in the Old Testament times) when God told Abraham he would give him the land and make his descendants as numerous as the stars, the Israelis have attracted hatred. Why? Because of Satan. Now all this will sound like a fanciful tale to people who don't believe, but it's true. Satan hates all humanity because he hates God, but he hates Israel and the Jews most of all, followed by the Christians. All he wants is to frustrate God's plans and destroy eveything He created. He will not succeed. Satan uses the sinful nature of humanity to turn against Israel to try to destroy it.

Which other nation has survived as long as Israel has despite being invaded multiple times, its people sent into exile and scattered throughout the world. Yet it exists today! This is nothing short of miraculous.

Thank you. Your support is much appreciated. ♥️ ♥️♥️

Nice fairy tale.

Gosh, well if you're happy with calls for other people to die, I'm not sure that makes you a good person.

And if you've heard those chants, you're marching alongside antisemites and supporters of antisemites. Well done.

Do you see how claiming that the words, sentiments and actions of a minority of extremists in the Israeli government and society are representative of the entire Israeli government and the whole country which hasn't actually "wiped out" any other group's existence might be problematic?

YES!! Well, on part of your point, because although Palestine is still trying to survive, the Israeli government has made it clear that they don’t believe in the Palestinian right to exist, but it works both ways. The extreme Hamas view doesn’t align with the majority of people who simply want peace and justice for Palestinians, but again, it still draws accusations of supporting terrorism.

Sorry, I just realised you may not actually be of Jewish heritage yourself.

But my point still stands.

I stand with the Jewish communities everywhere.

And right there, you prove my original point.

You are so welcome.

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Good point.

@Celestialmoods if you were calling for a Palestinian state while marching alongside people shouting "We don't want two state, we want 48" or " There is only one solution, intifada revolution" or "5,6,7,8, smash the settler Zionist state", would you challenge them? Or does calling for the complete eradication of Israel also not qualify under the definition of antisemitism no reasonable person can accept?

You are marching alongside people chanting support for the Houthis whose slogan starts 'Death to Israel and a Curse upon Jews'.

From the river to the sea is used to call for the eradication of Israel

Death to the IDF is just horrible, normal people don't call for the death of others.

But you march alongside them. Please note that I did not call you an antisemite, I said you march alongside antisemites and antisemite supporters. Are you ok with that, and if so, why?

Genuinely refreshing to hear this post go down the route of Christ killers and Bible stories. Very tired of hearing about middle east politics and the 'not-hate' marches that encourage hate and violence. This feels so retro - like when I was a child and some children threw stones at me in the playground because their priest told them I killed their messiah.

There is 0% chance that anyone hasn't seen any globalise the intifada signs or chants in a hate march. There are endless videos and photos and all sorts. Was going to share some of the thousands of photos but there's no need as there are so many of them.

From the river to the sea = destroy Israel
Globalise the intifada = massacre Jews worldwide
Yemen Yemen Make us Proud = we support Iran and terrorism
Death to the IDF = Don't love wishing death on young adults but I guess this is focussing on the army. Still it's a strange thing to say.

Honest question... what exactly do people think would happen if Israel did march itself into the sea and left the entire region to Hamas and the Houthis? What would life be like and what would happen next? There's a 0% chance that there would suddenly be a democracy with equal rights for women. It would be an absolute disaster and the rest of the world would pay the price of letting Israel fall. Obviously I'm emotionally invested but even just logically I can't work out why people could possibly think Iran + Islamic Republic + the Taliban are the best option to support.

Obviously I'm emotionally invested but even just logically I can't work out why people could possibly think Iran + Islamic Republic + the Taliban are the best option to support

You are wrong to think that is the alternative. Palestine would be more like Lebanon, where plenty of Muslims, Jews and Christians live in harmony.

It’s not an issue in the UK though.

radical Islam is not compatible with western values, and according to a survey reported in the guardian a few years ago, the majority of Uk Muslims want sharia law, which is also not compatible, it’s not even some extremist fringe supporting that.

No, the Israeli government has not made it clear that they don't believe in the Palestinian right to exist, this is hyperbole based on a few radical bad actors in the Israeli government who've been conveniently amplified by more bad actors because of their outrageous clickbait extremism. Do you even understand the makeup of the Israeli political system, the Israeli government or know how many members and parties there are and who and what they represent?

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Like this?
The number of Jews living in Lebanon is estimated to be very small, with recent reports indicating approximately 29 to 100 people. The community has significantly dwindled from a peak of several thousand (estimates range from 12,000 to 20,000) before the Lebanese Civil War.

The remaining Jews in Lebanon mostly live in or around Beirut, keep a very low profile, and generally do not openly identify as Jewish due to fears of persecution and the complex political climate.

What makes you think that? Given Gaza is governed by Hamas whose stated aim is to kill every Jew they see? I

I mean if the goal is another Lebanon that's already deeply problematic but I'm guessing that's not what would happen anyway

Didn’t Haaretz report earlier this year that 82% of Israelis support the forced expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza?

Are people just supposed to stay quiet?

20% think you are being unreasonable! That is absolutely shocking Please explain -someone who thinks OP is BU.

Because I’m told that’s what it was like before Isreal came into existence by people whose parents were there.

I was taking this seriously til you said Lebanon 😅
Channeling Lyse Doucet in Syria “This is one of the most diverse countries in the Middle East with multiple Christian [and] Muslim sects and you can see it here in the Old City, all the different quarters, Jewish, Muslim, Christian - they’re all here and they want to believe they have a space now as Syria embarks on this new chapter.” All 6-9 Jews left in Syria 😆

it’s hard to know exactly how many Jews are left in Lebanon (between 30-100 reportedly) as they keep an extremely low profile/hide their Jewish identity.

So peaceful. So harmonious.

How would I know? I don't have a subscription. Haaretz aren't exactly known for objectivity, I'm sure they went out of their way to find an equally representative sample of the Israeli population to ask in a completely non biased or leading way.