To wonder if the Doctors strike will still go ahead next week?

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Does anyone know when it will be decided if the strike will be called off because of the flu next week?

What do you think about it?

It is weird and I was not impressed with the comments about Chester medical school from someone claiming to be an NHS consultant.

In London, 15% of pupils achieve 3Astar-A grades or better; in the highest performing borough the figure rises to 34%. To put this into context, only 8% of the population went to university when I did, and medicine was probably the most competitive course. AAA or better may be required by older universities, but new universities and graduate entry have completely changed the landscape, and Chester is an example.

Furthermore, academic attainment is a weaker predictor of acceptance than UCAT scores, which respond very well to tutoring. UCAT scores not only preferentially exclude high attaining lower socioeconomic status applicants, they are weaker predictors of postgraduate performance than academic attainment.

PBL/CBL has been around since the beginning of the 20th century. Traditionally it was reserved for the last three years of undergraduate teaching, after two or three preclinical years of resource intensive instruction in six medical sciences, and it continued into postgraduate medical education. It is a popular substitute now for the traditional preclinical curriculum because students find the instruction and rote learning required for the medical sciences too difficult.

It is obvious that little science is taught in many medical schools, newer ones do not have the resources.

And that I will disagree with you about forever. Unless you have trained in every University how on earth can you comment about what is being taught in each one ? Why do newer ones not have the resources ? They are always supported by older ones for the first 5 years to ensure quality.

V v few still do PBL, most dumped it years ago. Manchester have renamed it though.

Oh and when I was at school you could get into medicine with standard offer of BBC. Imperial that was (my ex from a long time ago who is now a v eminent cardiologist).

A level grades are not the fault of the students. And majority of students I know have A/A stars even if contextual. What else do they need to achieve to be worthy ? UCAT is a cognitive test and if bright you'll do well, regardless of available cash. I hate it but Unis don't. I think they know best what will make a good doctor, it being their job.

How interesting. And odd that you didn't know which kind of doctors are called Dr. or Mr. He must have been one or the other Or that people weren't consultants until that actually got a consultant job.

This makes no sense ?? He trained as a doctor, still is a doctor but goes by Mr (although he sometimes uses doctor as he's not a pretentious prat). He's semi retired now as we are old.

CCT is a thing. What do you call someone who has done it ? Unemployed is quite common at the moment.

A junior doctor.

@Scotiasdarling wow you really don't like them do you ? So after 10 years post qualifying and loads of v hard professional exams you patronisingly call them junior. Really hope you are not a consultant (but if you are I bet you train PAs).

But this is the same in an number of careers. It's exactly the same with law. You can't apply to go on the roll of solicitors unless you have an offer of employment as a solicitor. It's completely correct linguistically. Those who've done the training for a particular position are merely eligible to apply.

Nothing to do with liking. Until someone will give them a job as a consultant then that is what they are. A junior doctor. Not a consu!tant.

@Milmington semantics. Completing CCT should, and always has, led to being a consultant. No more training. After 10 years. Solicitors can and do go on roll without a job - know one currently in Aus who had her graduation thing before she left. Only takes 2 years and a few exams (which are not easy and deserve respect).

@Scotiasdarling the fact you call them junior doctors says a lot more about you than them. So out of touch.

@Milmington rules to be on solicitors role

Making supper. This might help. Anyone calling themselves a solicitor without employment is over reaching:

https://www.sra.org.uk/mysra/manage-account/individual-account/step-by-step-guides/apply-practising-certificate/

Sorry, but all CCT has always led to is the ability to apply for a consultant job.Some will get one, some will not. You are fairly unique in not realising that senior doctors jobs are, and always have been, extremely competitive. Just because there is no more training DOES NOT mean that they automatically get the top jobs.

mumsneedwine have you any notion of just how few consultant posts are available at the moment in certain specialties?

Completing training in no way means you are a consultant. And if you never get an offer of a job you never will be a consultant.

Apologies, crossed. Peeling swedes.

And it isn't a matter of semantics mumsneedwine, it's a matter of substance. Which is why it's linguistically correct.

And I should add that getting a consultant post is likely to become even more competitive given Wes Streeting's stated aim of moving resources from hospitals into the community. With the promise of no increase in consultant numbers services like Obstetrics will almost certainly be run by up skilled midwives.

Exactly.

Evening shift has arrived @PurpleFairyLights 😂

Glad you both agree that many doctors who have CCT are unemployed (I did mention it earlier). Whilst waiting lists are 7 million and waits in A&E are 20+ hours. What a stupid waste.

Some posters are presumably fairly busy through the day.