Council tax is a c**t

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What kind of a tax doesn't take account of how much money you have? It's all just a bloody con.

OP - have you appealed your CT? https://www.gov.uk/challenge-council-tax-band/do-not-have-a-legal-right-to-make-a-challenge

As a young and naive adult I appealed the CT for my newly converted studio flat - my first property purchase. Turned out the CT had been calculated for the whole converted house as if we had separate bedrooms in our studios. Proof that LAs are idiots, and it saved all the residents in that large converted house what felt like an enormous amount of money at the time.

I'm going to hazard a guess where you are.
Wandsworth's council tax level is a joke. All the central government levels of support for different areas need to be rethought.

Wandsworth was Thatcher's favourite borough back in the 1980s as it set low rates and provided minimal service; its level of central government was grossly unfair.

I lived in a different Tory-run London Borough which occasionally bleated that they could also set a zero tax if they got Wandsworth's levels of support.

I’d really like to see some statistical evidence of this. It sounds like bollocks madeupium to me.

We get bin emptying every three weeks which is fine for a single person like me but not families. Come the third week the whole neighbourhood stinks. Its disgusting.

You keep spouting nonsense that people in lower bands are using all the services whilst they don’t work, and now they don’t own homes. It’s not the case.

Yep. Never sure why he became PM. To impress his father in law? Cameron, Johnson, Truss and Sunak. Some sick joke.

If you're a homeowner, council tax becomes ground rent. You own a house (in my case mortgage-free, therefore I own outright) and I still have to pay council tax just to live in my freehold house that I've bought and worked my arse off to pay off.

I would try to formulate another (fairer) way to do council tax, but I'm fully against all forms of taxation, so it'd be totally moot.

Genuinely, what the fuck are you on about?

Are you suggesting that you were not allowed to participate in a baby group because you live in a property that is not Band A?

And that all those amenities you mention are only available in a locale that is solely Band A properties?

Are you talking out of your arse?

There's no such thing as London Council Tax. The 33 boroughs/cities all charge different amounts, get different central government grants, provide different services.

They vary hugely.

Are you fully against all types of government services too?

No police, military, roads, fire departments?

@weirdoboelady thanks for the information. I did appeal, unsuccessfully - the valuation office blank assigns all two bedroom flats built after council tax came in as band C. Even HA flats, built to much lower specs with smaller square footage, no parking and no outside space. The only variation is the really swanky penthouse style new builds which are obviously higher.

Odd that it was so successful too. Raised over £5 billion more than expected which councils used as a surplus for years.

Oh, hang on, are we in the real world ?

Ah,. there the poll tax left a £5billion black hole of uncollected tax which has never been recovered and never made up to the councils.

Feel free to advocated taxing people - it never ends well.

Here's the breakdown- most goes on social care. The admin/pension costs are hidden in each line.

I'm fully against the idea that everyone pays into the system for services that can either:

a) be provided privately and paid for directly by those who need it
b) are limited in availability via rationing, ie NHS services

I'm not against the services themselves.

You do realise a lot of lower bands are flats, which a lot of people own and those people strangely enough work to pay their mortgage on said flat.

I wasn't going to rise to your comment but you keep spouting the same shit just phrased differently.

So how would say the military get funded in your world?

The police? Just turn to private security guards? Prisons?

You've really not thought this through at all.

Which country is this and how do their services get funded?

I don't think calling someone's intelligence into question is particularly helpful. Many people have only ever known services to be available via taxation, as in the only way a service can exist is via taxation. If that were true, the private sector wouldn't exist (which is the ultimate goal in a socialist country).

Link?

She is not on her own with that. Lots of studies demonstrate a social construct whereby people accept it and think it is the norm, but we didn't consent to it. It is a form of theft, but simply just authorised by higher authorities

Tax free countries manage just fine (if not better) and taxation doesn't exist. They fund their services via financial trading and different excise duties. In the UK, you get very little back for what you put in.

I had to work in London with my overseas job for a year. I was astounded by the poverty, and basic infrastructure there was nationwide, and worse, people think it is normal and that it is a wealthy nation.

As well as our own house, I'm paying £800 a month on my late dad's property because it's empty. Have cleared my savings doing it up to sell (and put so much time into it) but the market is not moving. Reduced the price loads too. But I'm paying double because it's empty. It's breaking us and I resent it so much. Don't use bins, lights, anything.

Come on, answer the question

In your zero tax and zero services world how would the military and justice systems work?

how does it still
get found out though? Is someone from the council checking Rightmove listings?

Just check your own council tax info. It’ll tell you. Freely available. Comes through your front door every year, as well as being online
will vary slightly between LAs so check your own.

So these tax free countries still raise taxes, just not on individuals? Would you care to share which ones these are?