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Council tax is a c**t

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Upholstery · 08/12/2025 21:13

What kind of a tax doesn't take account of how much money you have? It's all just a bloody con.

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SerendipityJane · 15/12/2025 11:05

XenoBitch · 15/12/2025 10:55

Remove housing benefit and you will make people homeless.

But that's their problem, isn't it ?

(For anyone who wants to report this post it's sarcasm level has been rated: moderate)

BIossomtoes · 15/12/2025 11:12

Balletpoint · 15/12/2025 10:40

I don't. I propose they work/contribute during their working lifespan.

Approx 35 contributory years required.

Working life starts at 18. That would make them 53. Therefore they could start work later say 27 and still qualify at 62 or start at 18 and take 14 years off to raise a family and still qualify. Ituis upto the individual how they arrange it.

You didn’t know about the two different rates of state pension depending on when it was claimed, did you? And you’re still refusing to acknowledge it. The full old state pension is £9175. Those claimants paid as many years NI as those on the new pension. It’s clear you don’t understand how this works.

And many current pensioners started work at 15, ironically mostly those who only get £9k.

NorthXNorthWest · 15/12/2025 11:47

Differentforgirls · 15/12/2025 09:37

So treat them differently to every other tax payer?

This is about everyone contributing. It isn’t about being heartless or treating them differently. It’s about having an honest conversation.

Pensioners do not stop using the NHS when they retire. They live longer, cost more, and many will need social care. Look at your council see where they are spending their money. Those costs do not disappear simply because people dislike acknowledging who is actually paying for them. The NHS and state pensions are not free. They are funded by today’s workers. Pushing ever-increasing costs onto younger and middle-earning taxpayers is not compassion, it is robbing Peter to pay Paul. Calling it ‘fair’ does not make it sustainable.

The welfare state should protect people from need, not guarantee comfort. A safe home, food, heat and healthcare are essentials. Netflix subscriptions, the latest iPhone or a PS5 for your children are not. Want and need are not the same thing.

Saving, private pensions and deferred gratification should not be punished to cover government failure. Yet we increasingly encourage the opposite, while showing open contempt for anyone who earns more, lives in a larger home or has made provision for retirement, often despite growing up in poverty or spending a lifetime on modest wages. Only the ‘poor’ are treated as morally worthy. People are nudged to spend rather than save, on the assumption that the state will step in later because they ‘paid in’, even when many were never net contributors, excluding the disabled and their carers. That simply shifts risk onto future taxpayers. You do not need to be Einstein to see that this system is not fit for purpose.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. There are threads on here where people encourage parents who have already taken more out of the system than they put in to spend everything because the state will pick up the tab. There are others where people are complaining about parents spending ‘their’ inheritance. There is no such thing as free state money, and inheritance is not a right.

If people are angry, they should direct it at governments that have known about demographic ageing for decades yet refused to reform, grow the economy or plan honestly, not at other taxpayers who already do more than their share.
The safety net the welfare state was meant to provide has given way to entitlement. Entitlement to other people’s money for comfort or to support lifestyle choices, whether through the welfare system or through expectations of inheritance.

Entitlement is slowly killing this country. What is needed is wholesale reform, not punishment. If we want to preserve a welfare state at all, we must manage the risks of an ageing society and ensure the connection between responsibility, contribution and reward is upfront and center.

Balletpoint · 15/12/2025 13:02

NorthXNorthWest · 15/12/2025 11:47

This is about everyone contributing. It isn’t about being heartless or treating them differently. It’s about having an honest conversation.

Pensioners do not stop using the NHS when they retire. They live longer, cost more, and many will need social care. Look at your council see where they are spending their money. Those costs do not disappear simply because people dislike acknowledging who is actually paying for them. The NHS and state pensions are not free. They are funded by today’s workers. Pushing ever-increasing costs onto younger and middle-earning taxpayers is not compassion, it is robbing Peter to pay Paul. Calling it ‘fair’ does not make it sustainable.

The welfare state should protect people from need, not guarantee comfort. A safe home, food, heat and healthcare are essentials. Netflix subscriptions, the latest iPhone or a PS5 for your children are not. Want and need are not the same thing.

Saving, private pensions and deferred gratification should not be punished to cover government failure. Yet we increasingly encourage the opposite, while showing open contempt for anyone who earns more, lives in a larger home or has made provision for retirement, often despite growing up in poverty or spending a lifetime on modest wages. Only the ‘poor’ are treated as morally worthy. People are nudged to spend rather than save, on the assumption that the state will step in later because they ‘paid in’, even when many were never net contributors, excluding the disabled and their carers. That simply shifts risk onto future taxpayers. You do not need to be Einstein to see that this system is not fit for purpose.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. There are threads on here where people encourage parents who have already taken more out of the system than they put in to spend everything because the state will pick up the tab. There are others where people are complaining about parents spending ‘their’ inheritance. There is no such thing as free state money, and inheritance is not a right.

If people are angry, they should direct it at governments that have known about demographic ageing for decades yet refused to reform, grow the economy or plan honestly, not at other taxpayers who already do more than their share.
The safety net the welfare state was meant to provide has given way to entitlement. Entitlement to other people’s money for comfort or to support lifestyle choices, whether through the welfare system or through expectations of inheritance.

Entitlement is slowly killing this country. What is needed is wholesale reform, not punishment. If we want to preserve a welfare state at all, we must manage the risks of an ageing society and ensure the connection between responsibility, contribution and reward is upfront and center.

You raise some really valid points.

As far as entitlement goes the one that irks me is when posters advise tenants to remain in a property and withold rent. They then have the nerve to berate landlords. This is off the scale entitlement.

Before anyone asks, I am not a landlord. I have common sense and manners.

NorthXNorthWest · 15/12/2025 13:33

Balletpoint · 15/12/2025 13:02

You raise some really valid points.

As far as entitlement goes the one that irks me is when posters advise tenants to remain in a property and withold rent. They then have the nerve to berate landlords. This is off the scale entitlement.

Before anyone asks, I am not a landlord. I have common sense and manners.

Agree. In the absence of enough homes being built we need sensible mechanisms to hold both tenant and the landlord to account - I am not a landlord.

Differentforgirls · 15/12/2025 15:53

NorthXNorthWest · 15/12/2025 11:47

This is about everyone contributing. It isn’t about being heartless or treating them differently. It’s about having an honest conversation.

Pensioners do not stop using the NHS when they retire. They live longer, cost more, and many will need social care. Look at your council see where they are spending their money. Those costs do not disappear simply because people dislike acknowledging who is actually paying for them. The NHS and state pensions are not free. They are funded by today’s workers. Pushing ever-increasing costs onto younger and middle-earning taxpayers is not compassion, it is robbing Peter to pay Paul. Calling it ‘fair’ does not make it sustainable.

The welfare state should protect people from need, not guarantee comfort. A safe home, food, heat and healthcare are essentials. Netflix subscriptions, the latest iPhone or a PS5 for your children are not. Want and need are not the same thing.

Saving, private pensions and deferred gratification should not be punished to cover government failure. Yet we increasingly encourage the opposite, while showing open contempt for anyone who earns more, lives in a larger home or has made provision for retirement, often despite growing up in poverty or spending a lifetime on modest wages. Only the ‘poor’ are treated as morally worthy. People are nudged to spend rather than save, on the assumption that the state will step in later because they ‘paid in’, even when many were never net contributors, excluding the disabled and their carers. That simply shifts risk onto future taxpayers. You do not need to be Einstein to see that this system is not fit for purpose.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. There are threads on here where people encourage parents who have already taken more out of the system than they put in to spend everything because the state will pick up the tab. There are others where people are complaining about parents spending ‘their’ inheritance. There is no such thing as free state money, and inheritance is not a right.

If people are angry, they should direct it at governments that have known about demographic ageing for decades yet refused to reform, grow the economy or plan honestly, not at other taxpayers who already do more than their share.
The safety net the welfare state was meant to provide has given way to entitlement. Entitlement to other people’s money for comfort or to support lifestyle choices, whether through the welfare system or through expectations of inheritance.

Entitlement is slowly killing this country. What is needed is wholesale reform, not punishment. If we want to preserve a welfare state at all, we must manage the risks of an ageing society and ensure the connection between responsibility, contribution and reward is upfront and center.

State pensions aren’t benefits.

NorthXNorthWest · 15/12/2025 16:06

Differentforgirls · 15/12/2025 15:53

State pensions aren’t benefits.

It is actually. Look it up.

Feel free to argue about definitions whilst the country burns, because that the important part🙄

InlandTaipan · 15/12/2025 16:31

Differentforgirls · 15/12/2025 15:53

State pensions aren’t benefits.

Of course they are. There isn't some ringfenced pension pot where a chunk of your nation insurance gets saved each month.

SerendipityJane · 15/12/2025 16:37

InlandTaipan · 15/12/2025 16:31

Of course they are. There isn't some ringfenced pension pot where a chunk of your nation insurance gets saved each month.

Quote a few people who bang on about "cutting benefits" would be every well advised to remember that includes the state pension before voting for face eating leopards.

BIossomtoes · 15/12/2025 16:41

InlandTaipan · 15/12/2025 16:31

Of course they are. There isn't some ringfenced pension pot where a chunk of your nation insurance gets saved each month.

They’re still contribution based, unlike the majority of other benefits.

suburburban · 15/12/2025 17:08

BIossomtoes · 15/12/2025 16:41

They’re still contribution based, unlike the majority of other benefits.

Yes and supposedly you have to 35 years to qualify so I think it is different

Balletpoint · 15/12/2025 17:09

SerendipityJane · 15/12/2025 16:37

Quote a few people who bang on about "cutting benefits" would be every well advised to remember that includes the state pension before voting for face eating leopards.

State pension is the only 'benefit' dependent on NI contributions, so whilst not ring fenced it is also the only benefit that would require a long phased out withdrawal.

If state pensioners had paid their NI contributions into their private pension pot, they would probably receive more. There is no way a government can withdraw the state pension from those who have paid sufficiently into a scheme whilst at the same time reward other benefits to those who have contributed nothing.

TigerRag · 15/12/2025 17:16

Balletpoint · 15/12/2025 10:31

A pensioner on the full state pension only receives £12,014. They have to survive on that. They have spent a lifetime contributing and still pay full Council tax.

Pension credit should be phased out. The public need to be aware that if they fail to make sufficient contributions they will not receive a tax payer funded pension. Ii is about time people took some responsibility for their own lives.

How do you take responsibility when you've given up work to care for a disabled person?

Balletpoint · 15/12/2025 17:26

TigerRag · 15/12/2025 17:16

How do you take responsibility when you've given up work to care for a disabled person?

Work part time, have a partner, rely on family, pension, investments, house equity. The options are endless. If someone was previously working they had time to put insurance in place.

SerendipityJane · 15/12/2025 17:28

Balletpoint · 15/12/2025 17:26

Work part time, have a partner, rely on family, pension, investments, house equity. The options are endless. If someone was previously working they had time to put insurance in place.

Can you link to one policy that will cover lifetime provision for a chronic condition ?

Just one.

TigerRag · 15/12/2025 17:31

Balletpoint · 15/12/2025 17:26

Work part time, have a partner, rely on family, pension, investments, house equity. The options are endless. If someone was previously working they had time to put insurance in place.

A friend is a single parent to a disabled child who needs 24/7 care. How does she find time to work, do appointments for her child, etc?

Balletpoint · 15/12/2025 17:32

Whilst able, work for a company with the good health and life insurance policies.

I know people who have left work due to poor health and the policy has paid out.

SerendipityJane · 15/12/2025 17:32

Balletpoint · 15/12/2025 17:32

Whilst able, work for a company with the good health and life insurance policies.

I know people who have left work due to poor health and the policy has paid out.

So no, then.

TigerRag · 15/12/2025 17:37

Balletpoint · 15/12/2025 17:32

Whilst able, work for a company with the good health and life insurance policies.

I know people who have left work due to poor health and the policy has paid out.

I was born with my disabilities. How do I get health insurance? It's not as simple as you make it out to be

Balletpoint · 15/12/2025 17:41

SerendipityJane · 15/12/2025 17:32

So no, then.

I am not here to advertise companies. If you do a search on critical illness cover on mse, compare the market etc you will find them. Employers offer critical illness as a perk. Many people overlook it but along with employer pension contributions it should be at the top of your list when seeking employment. It also covers your children.

SerendipityJane · 15/12/2025 17:44

Balletpoint · 15/12/2025 17:41

I am not here to advertise companies. If you do a search on critical illness cover on mse, compare the market etc you will find them. Employers offer critical illness as a perk. Many people overlook it but along with employer pension contributions it should be at the top of your list when seeking employment. It also covers your children.

Let's pretend my Google is broken and just dreams up "AI" answers.

Just one. Only one. Lifelong cover for chronic conditions.

purpleygrey · 15/12/2025 17:44

what really pissed me off was the council tax going up AND now charging for my green bin.

TigerRag · 15/12/2025 17:46

Balletpoint · 15/12/2025 17:41

I am not here to advertise companies. If you do a search on critical illness cover on mse, compare the market etc you will find them. Employers offer critical illness as a perk. Many people overlook it but along with employer pension contributions it should be at the top of your list when seeking employment. It also covers your children.

As an adult who is undiagnosed it's bloody difficult trying to get any critical illness cover

XenoBitch · 15/12/2025 17:47

purpleygrey · 15/12/2025 17:44

what really pissed me off was the council tax going up AND now charging for my green bin.

Yes, I used to have a green bin. It just goes up every year. This year it was £65. No concessions either. Where my parents live, they get it half price as due to my dad being a pensioner.
I just take my garden waste to the tip now (I do love doing tip runs), although I read some councils even charge for that.

Balletpoint · 15/12/2025 17:48

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