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To tell them not to bother coming for Xmas?

533 replies

WantToHibernate · 08/12/2025 07:54

We are doing Xmas dinner this year for my husbands family and my mum and brother. We have a mix of vegans, vegetarians and meat eaters so dinner menu will reflect this.

I’ve been vegan for 20 years and my daughter who is 17 has become vegan this year. My husband and other child eat meat.

My mother and brother have always disapproved of me being vegan. Over the years they’ve told me I’m wrong and will be ill. They also do stupid things like make animal noises when they eat meat which I just roll my eyes at. Now they’ve found out, whilst discussing Xmas dinner menus at our house this weekend, that my daughter has become vegan and they’ve responded as expected, telling her she’ll be ill, that she shouldn’t listen to me ‘brainwashing and bullying’ her, quizzing her on why she has become vegan, telling her she’s mad and no better than them. My daughter remained calm, said it was her decision, that I obviously haven’t bullied or brainwashed her, that she doesn’t think she’s any better than anyone else, she just wants to be vegan. When they continued were quiz her on why she has become a vegan, they called her a ‘typical preachy vegan’. She wasn’t preaching, she just answered their questions.

Things got heated as my mother started shouting. I told her that she doesn’t get to shout at my daughter in our house about this, and that if they both don’t stop the comments they can leave and not bother coming for Xmas. My brother said our mum can say what she likes and that I owed my mum an apology for saying that. My daughter left the room. My son told my mum and brother that they were out of line and went to check on my daughter. My mum and brother left.

My brother text later on to say that when they come on Xmas day they don’t want to be seated by me or my daughter. I’ve not responded as I wanted to cool down before I did, but my husband has said to just uninvited them because they’re arseholes and he’s not risking them upsetting our daughter on Xmas day. My daughter says she isn’t bothered and thinks they’re idiots.

If I uninvite them, I think that will probably be the end of my relationships with them but I think that is possibly for the best. There have been lots of problems with them over the years and I think we may be happier without them. They have had issues with other aspects of our life, choices we’ve made, my husbands family (who are all lovely) who they see as ‘snobby’, so the vegan issue is just another thing. They are ok is small doses. My other siblings have low or no contact with them and although I invited them to dinner too, they won’t come because our mother and brother are coming.

OP posts:
Achangeintone · 08/12/2025 09:04

EINSEINSNULL · 08/12/2025 09:03

'Of course you won't be seated by my daughter, because you won't be seated anywhere in my house'.
They sound like horrible bullies, and I say that as a non-vegan (who respects the right of others to eat how they want to eat).

This is clearly not going to happen given latest update

But it should!!

DramaticEffect · 08/12/2025 09:06

KingJanie · 08/12/2025 08:06

You don't have to uninvite them first tell them how upset you were by the way they spoke to your DD and at how they persistently attack you for being a vegan.
Tell them if they are coming for Christmas you expect them to keep their opinions on veganism to themselves and be polite to the other guests. If they can't do that they shouldn't come.

Make them responsible for their own behaviour and choices.

Great response.

CalculatingCrispen · 08/12/2025 09:06

You dont have a responsibility to your brother.

Only to your husband and children - responsibilities are things you have chosen, not choices others have made (your mother made the choice to have him, not you)

EleanorReally · 08/12/2025 09:08

due to your young brother, does he still live at home?
i would just ignore his request.
dont uninvite them

RampantIvy · 08/12/2025 09:09

It’s not easy to just walk away now and it certainly wasn’t when he was a child.

Please do your DC a favour and uninvite these two. You will spoil Christmas for everyone else by placating this toxic pair. You need to model good boundaries to your DC. Could you imagine them allowing someone to treat them like this?

Member984815 · 08/12/2025 09:09

Uninvite them , they will spoil your Christmas.

Tooobvious · 08/12/2025 09:10

"I am not going to guarantee that you won’t be sitting next to DD or me at Christmas. I can however guarantee that if you can’t show respect for people whose views are different from yours, and start arguing with them in their own home or making childish animal noises etc., you will both be asked to leave immediately and will not be invited again. Your choice."

AnneButNotHathaway · 08/12/2025 09:11

YANBU, they are free to celebrate elsewhere since they don't like people gathering at your place.

DisruptiveCumin · 08/12/2025 09:12

I'd be so tempted to say something like "Didn't want you here anyway"

WantToHibernate · 08/12/2025 09:14

CalculatingCrispen · 08/12/2025 09:06

You dont have a responsibility to your brother.

Only to your husband and children - responsibilities are things you have chosen, not choices others have made (your mother made the choice to have him, not you)

I understand that, but if my siblings would have taken that approach with me and each other, and not supported each other, with a mother like we have, I don’t know where we would all be. I was trying to provide that same support for my youngest brother along with a couple of my other siblings. The difference is, us older siblings could see what our mum was like but my youngest brother seems completely under her spell. He has had times where he has come to us and we have thought he was breaking free of her, he has lived with us for a short time, got his life on track, started uni, but then she always talks him round and he gives up on everything. It’s hard to watch but I think the time has come to say no more.

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Evergreen21 · 08/12/2025 09:14

You can't help your brother in this instance and as hard as it may be you need to leave them to it. I'd say after recent events the invitation for xmas is rescinded and leave it at that. I wouldn't respond to any following calls or texts and if I'm honest I would block both of their numbers.

Your brother isn't the child you remember and you were not responsible for him then and shouldn't be now. Your own priority should be your children and nuclear family. As a child you had no choice but to put up with your mum but as an adult you very much do.

WantToHibernate · 08/12/2025 09:16

EleanorReally · 08/12/2025 09:08

due to your young brother, does he still live at home?
i would just ignore his request.
dont uninvite them

Yes he still lives at home.

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YourOliveBalonz · 08/12/2025 09:16

I can’t get past the request to not be seated by you at your house 😂 like, they will come on Christmas Day and treat it like you are providing a restaurant service, but have no intention of speaking to you.

EleanorReally · 08/12/2025 09:17

offer them their own separate kiddies table

CaptainSensiblesRedBeret · 08/12/2025 09:17

I would revoke the invitation. On Christmas Eve. After the supermarkets close.

CalculatingCrispen · 08/12/2025 09:19

WantToHibernate · 08/12/2025 09:14

I understand that, but if my siblings would have taken that approach with me and each other, and not supported each other, with a mother like we have, I don’t know where we would all be. I was trying to provide that same support for my youngest brother along with a couple of my other siblings. The difference is, us older siblings could see what our mum was like but my youngest brother seems completely under her spell. He has had times where he has come to us and we have thought he was breaking free of her, he has lived with us for a short time, got his life on track, started uni, but then she always talks him round and he gives up on everything. It’s hard to watch but I think the time has come to say no more.

I get what you are saying, but you can support your brother without being responsible for him and his adult choices

Bloozie · 08/12/2025 09:20

Asking not to be seated near you or your daughter...?

Yeah they can fuck right off and keep on fucking.

If they can't bear to be near the host, they're not guests. They're parasites. I would absolutely tell them both to stay away.

LittleArithmetics · 08/12/2025 09:22

Uninvite. But is there a chance they'll just turn up anyway?

jenny38 · 08/12/2025 09:22

I would send a message to say that food seems to be a trigger point for disagreements and unhappiness. So let's take this out of the equation , dont discuss it again and just meet for coffee in the future. In terms of christmas, it's clear to you that we would all be happier doing our own thing this year. Hope to see you in the new year for coffee.
You are putting a boundary in place and limiting contact in this way. If as suspected, they kick off about this then it's done really.
I hope you and your family have a lovely christmas.

saraclara · 08/12/2025 09:23

EleanorReally · 08/12/2025 09:17

offer them their own separate kiddies table

Oh that would be wonderful. It's a shame that it would add fuel to the fire though.

saraclara · 08/12/2025 09:24

jenny38 · 08/12/2025 09:22

I would send a message to say that food seems to be a trigger point for disagreements and unhappiness. So let's take this out of the equation , dont discuss it again and just meet for coffee in the future. In terms of christmas, it's clear to you that we would all be happier doing our own thing this year. Hope to see you in the new year for coffee.
You are putting a boundary in place and limiting contact in this way. If as suspected, they kick off about this then it's done really.
I hope you and your family have a lovely christmas.

Oh that is an excellent and very grown up response. I think I'd do that.

SockFluffInTheBath · 08/12/2025 09:24

OP I would tell them to fuck right off, and tell them there’s only going to be a vegan option to make sure they don’t come. My dad used to wave bacon sandwiches at me because ‘it’s not proper meat, ha ha ha’ 🙄

I’m NC with my mum and yes it’s cost me some family who took her side, after only hearing her side, but it’s their loss and worth it for the peace.

Have a lovely Christmas without the poisonous comments at the table.

NoTouch · 08/12/2025 09:25

My brother text later on to say that when they come on Xmas day they don’t want to be seated by me or my daughter.

My reply would be along the lines of - It saddens me that it has come to this, but it is better for all of us, while we cannot respect each others differences and are continually upsetting each other that we celebrate our Christmas Days separately.

I hope you have a lovely time and let’s try to catch up next year when we both have had time to reflect on it and what it means for us going forward. x

Chocja · 08/12/2025 09:25

I would say that due to avoiding arguments on Christmas, the whole day will be vegan only and as such you will understand if they don’t want to come.

I would imagine that they will decline and you can then cook what you want.

I would take a huge step back from them, they sound toxic and shouldn’t be speaking to anyone like that. Your DD is an adult and capable of making her own decisions.

A vegan diet, when done correctly is healthy.

Chocja · 08/12/2025 09:26

I would say that due to avoiding arguments on Christmas, the whole day will be vegan only and as such you will understand if they don’t want to come.

I would imagine that they will decline and you can then cook what you want.

I would take a huge step back from them, they sound toxic and shouldn’t be speaking to anyone like that. Your DD is an adult and capable of making her own decisions.

A vegan diet, when done correctly is healthy.