To say that most people in the UK want illegal immigration to stop

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I recently commented on a Facebook post to say the majority of British people are against illegal immigration. I was asked by several other users what survey I based that opinion on. I responded with the question ‘do you think most people want illegal immigration to continue then? Because if not, then surely they want it to stop?’ I didn’t receive any responses to that.
Without getting into any political arguments or name calling and giving no ifs, buts or reasons for your view, please vote as follows.

YABU - I want illegal immigration to continue.
YANBU - I don’t want illegal immigration to continue.

It's almost as if with border controls we can choose to pick who we let in. If we feel we need immigrant labour we can choose on how many to let in. We don't have to accept those crossing illegally on boats.

We have border controls.

We do pick who we let in.

We are obliged to give asylum seekers a fair hearing. All countries on earth are.

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Every single sentence a lie!

In addition, I can assure you that there are plenty of DV perpetrators inside the hotels too. Totally normal in many cultures.

According to gov.uk, the greatest part of UK farmland is devoted to livestock.

Good old wheat and barley are by far the biggest crops. Oats and sugar beets are at a secondary level. Rape is way behind.

Cannot imagine why anyone would mock wheat. It is the heart of Mediterranean cuisine, after all.

Why the numerous threads on this topic?

Whilst I have no objection to immigration whether it be economic or in search of asylum, I do have major concerns over unvetted checks of people coming into this country i.e 'illegal immigration'.

That said, if they are working and behaving I don't see the problem. Just like our own should be doing.

It is people coming into the country and staying under false pretences including but not limited to:
Student visas but the college is a sham
Tourist visas and people overstaying
Asylum seekers disappearing and never reporting in
Tourist only visas but people taking up cash in hand work
Human trafficking

No, there is some truth here. But in totality it is a rant that will just discourage a lot of people from doing what they can to make the UK and the world a better place.

We need food security. We need a civil society - not that I think immigrants of any variety are the main issue with that. Focusing Out There where problems are too big to solve distracts attention from steps we can take today.

Of course we can do both, to some extent.

I notice that @OmNomShiva has not answered my question about their views on the role of Child Benefit, free nursery hours, etc - I asked above whether these should exist in an ideal society when pensioners are being taken down a peg, according to @OmNomShiva, and workers are being valued properly. Looking forward to the answer.

I meant every sentence here was a lie

I’d like to see all the Brexit and Reform voters deported to China or Russia but I guess Santa can’t grant everyone’s wish? 🤷🏻‍♀️

We do make our own immigration policy so in that sense we choose who to let in. Border controls are arguably the controls at the frontiers. How effective they are is another question.

You are correct, though, that the last sentence is wrong. Only the countries that signed the UN Convention on Human Rights are obliged in international law to offer asylum.

You can also offer it somewhere else and stay a signatory.

This post sums it up so well - the recent stories about Nigel Farage’s style of bullying at school (and his responses to that) show exactly where he sits on the moral line. You only need to read some history books and learn about what populism is and how it’s played out in the past to see how people are sleepwalking into voting for something really regressive and that won’t serve their needs at all. It’s the biggest scam going.

That was what Rwanda was all about right?

No, it’s all correct. The convention you mentioned is the 1951 Convention Relating to the State of Refugees, and its related 1967 Protocol.

149 countries are signatories.

The only country with no formal asylum system is Libya.

That’s it.

Malaysia doesn’t have one of its own, but has delegated operating such a system to the UNHCR instead.

Now, are you seriously saying the UK should be more like….Libya ?!?

How do we not have border control? Point based immigration and an asylum process.

Did you think the UK also didn't have sovereignty?

Feel free to explain how you believe this is a lie ?

Care to explain?

Yep it’s what Aus do. They are still a signatory to the convention.

No it wasn't.

Asylum seekers were sent there to go through the Rwandan system. Even with asylum granted they wouldn't be allowed to come to the UK.

Rwanda was not an offshore process.

Apologies, missed that one.

I think ALL benefits should be means tested.

When you no longer qualify, you don’t receive them. Regardless of whether it benefits young or old.

I also think unemployment benefits should be related to previous salary.

Switzerland has a really good system on that front, and by the way has a FAR higher share of immigrants in their economy.

In the ME only four (rather ironic) countries are signatories. Several important Asian countries, including India, as well as other countries also have not signed.

If a country has not signed, it has not formally pledged to offer asylum. It can rescind any asylum policy at will with no international condemnation. Only signatory countries are breaking international law if they rescind asylum policies.

In practice all those countries offer asylum whether they signed or not.

It’s ultimately not about compliance, but rather about decency and morality.

We might as well comply and be signatories though, it makes no difference at all if we’re continuing to practice decency and morality.

It’s Middle Eastern countries who actually receive and house the most refugees globally. Orders of magnitude more than we do.

A very decent and moral approach to this crisis.

We still have to unfortunately answer to the ECHR. The numbers are still way too high.