To think it is not at all sad that the Women's Institute is now only for actual women?

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“Incredibly sadly, we will have to restrict our membership on the basis of biological sex from April next year,” Green said. “But the message we really want to get across is that it remains our firm belief that transgender women are women, and that doesn’t change.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/dec/03/womens-institute-no-longer-accept-trans-women-members-april

Tellingly - they still think women can have a penis.

Trans identifying people have been celebrated and given special privilege almost everywhere over the last decade or so. They have risen to high governmental positions in the USA, driving policy. They have engineered connections among politicians from all political parties in order to promote their beliefs at the highest levels, in this country and others.

Agree, however, I would say it is Trans Identifying MALES who have achieved this, females, as ever, are notable by their abscence from the hallowed halls of influence. The females platformed in this Men's Rights Agenda are the supine, be kind, alles who are not trans.

To some extent that plays out on here, the most vociferous supporters of including males in anything and everything for females are not themseves trans, which begs the questiion as to why they are pushing so hard for the men who are driving this. If they think they have the respect of these males they are sorely mistaken they are at best viewed with contempt and labelled as useful idiots at worst is not repeatable on here. Just look at how some of the most staunch female trans allies are turned on and eviscerated by the males in the trans lobby for any perceived infraction no matter how minor.

Imagine thinking inserting male people into the human rights of female people makes you progressive and righteous!

'In fact'.

Mmmkay.....

I will NEVER understand this

No it’s called people disagreeing with you and calling out bigotry. Emotional manipulation is posters like yourself trying to make bigotry into some brave, self congratulating crusade. It isn’t. You don’t speak for all women and many many women disagree with you.

Now why don't you try answering my question upthread? You aren't dependent on emotional blackmail and spurious claims of bigotry, after all. You've got facts and clear and solid reasoning on your side, apparently, and we're the ones talking risible bollocks, so go on. Embarrass us. Silence us forever. Make us look like total fools. Answer the question.

What is the trait shared by all born women and all born men who say they're women, but no born men and no born women who say they're men?

It's because you don't possess the necessary blend of arrogance, naivety and amorality.

Calling people bigots when they are not, is the epitome of emotional manipulation. You can deny this all you wish, it won’t change it.

If you wish to call people names and make false accusations about them, just own it.

Sneering, much?

But WHAT is this bigotry?

You can't keep throwing around the word without explaining what you mean.

Absolutely

I certainly do not hate my husband or son but I do not want them in women only spaces - because they are men
We can't allow safe men, nice men, harmless men, gay men, or ANY men, its not how they behave or dress or what they say, its because they are men not because of how they behave or dress

We don't care, that's fine. Just don't try to stop those of us who do want a single sex space from having one.

Just what do you think is so 'toxic' about women wanting the law upheld. I mean, seriously? 🫠

You might not want to join a single sex society, but other women will. Why can't they talk about that?

That's fine, no one here is suggesting they do speak for all women.

However, it is not bigotry to protect women's rights, or single sex spaces, groups, prisons, sports, awards, etc etc etc.

The fact is that women need those things, and no woman or women have the right to give them away for all women either.

The law as it stands supports the women who want their own rights, single sex spaces, etc and so on.

If you have a problem with this (what you call hatred and bigotry), you are not going to change the mind of any one who believes this is right.

It does not help those trans identified men who you think are so hard done by, by the law upholding women's rights, single sex spaces etc etc, to shout at women who you say are displaying their "awful and hateful bigotry" by agreeing with the law and sharing a sense of relief that, reluctantly begrudging though it was, the WI is to be a single sex group like it is supposed to be.

You could be doing something useful to help those trans identified men, who you say are most vulnerable and marginalised, but instead of choosing to help trans identified men do something, you have chosen misogyny.

You'd rather come and scold us and call us names and tell us how horrible it is that the law agrees we can have our fucking rights, groups and everything else back from the men who crept in by stealth, politically and socially, and stole them away.

Imagine thinking an open discussion about the Women's Institute and whether men should be welcome to join being considered 'toxic'?

And if the Women's Institute is not for you, because you want to hang out in mixed sex groups, don't join it.

It’s so awful that you’re forced to read the thread and post on it and are unable to simply scroll past it. Most oppressive.

I know, perhaps the pp would be better off starting a thread about why the Women’s Institute is silly.

Is joining the WI compulsory then?

There was also a push to remove trans-identification from mental health to sexual health for insurance purposes particular to the USA.

It's quite an amazing level of self absorption. I have no interest in learning to play the French horn, therefore there is no point to any groups dedicated to learning the French horn.

Very, very much.

It's great that the WI in your area works to improve the lot of women and girls, in mine it seems intent on dragging us back to the 50s and locking us in.

It's hard to believe that it does much nationally though if it has to be legally forced to recognise that women and men are different.

😂😂😂

Are you going to go to your next local orchestra concert and shout about how hateful and bigoted they're being? 😂

Do you even know what being marginalised means?

A quick google gives you:

To be marginalized means to be pushed to the edges of society, treated as unimportant, and prevented from fully participating in social, economic, or political life, often due to discrimination or low status, leaving individuals or groups powerless and excluded from mainstream opportunities and decisions.
Simple breakdown:

• Being pushed aside: Being treated as if you don't belong or aren't as important as others.
• Losing power: Having little to no influence on decisions that affect you.
• Limited access: Difficulty getting basic services, opportunities, or rights.
• Exclusion: Being shut out from mainstream society, work, or politics.

As far as I can tell, trans people, and trans women in particular, are none of those things.

Demanding rights that are contrary to the law, demanding and getting language changed, having month long celebrations in your honour, demanding that society fits around your ideology and demonising anyone who disagrees or questions you, is about as far from being marginalised as you can fucking get.

Being told ’no’ is not being marginalised.