To think it is not at all sad that the Women's Institute is now only for actual women?

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“Incredibly sadly, we will have to restrict our membership on the basis of biological sex from April next year,” Green said. “But the message we really want to get across is that it remains our firm belief that transgender women are women, and that doesn’t change.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/dec/03/womens-institute-no-longer-accept-trans-women-members-april

Tellingly - they still think women can have a penis.

Yes. A thirteen year old girl claiming gender incongruence has very little in common with a fifty year old man who chooses to wear a dress.

So, you don't like 'men with womanly feelings' can you give me an explanation of what a transwoman is that would explains why just that particular group of men should be given access to women only spaces.

What makes a man a woman?

These men are not a marginalised group.

It is not bigotry to want men, all men, to stay the fuck out of women's spaces.

Even worse than that.

A 13 year old girl who has been subject to sexual abuse who is offered a way out where the caution is 'you will lose sexual function' is an ADVANTAGE because in her head she thinks this will act as a barrier to men is MORE likely to take up this option offered to her than not.

If that is what 'gender incongruence' is, the girls should be taken to a place of safety/have the sexual offender placed in a place of restriction...not keep the girl in a child like state in perpetuity and slice their breasts off and bring forward their menopause.

Trans identifying people have been celebrated and given special privilege almost everywhere over the last decade or so. They have risen to high governmental positions in the USA, driving policy. They have engineered connections among politicians from all political parties in order to promote their beliefs at the highest levels, in this country and others. They have infiltrated the medical, educational and social work hierarchies. They have controlled output from our own national broadcaster to the point where any output remotely critical of them has been quashed. Their existence has been recognised to an unprecedented degree with trans Pride appropriating whole months and special days devoted to them. Bigotry is not prevalent; rather, a slavish devotion to the cult has taken over.
Trans identification and sexual orientation are entirely different things. Homosexual people don’t deny reality, invade spaces meant for the opposite sex and don’t proselytise for harmful drugs and surgeries for children and young adults struggling with mental health issues.
Those of us who are mothers and fathers, grandmothers and grandfathers and who have our children’s and grandchildren’s health and happiness as our priority are rightly concerned about their vulnerability to transgenderism. If anything is prevalent, it’s the promotion of this toxic nonsense via social and mainstream media and most worryingly in schools and through BBC programming for children.
To characterise people’s genuine and well-founded concerns about transgenderism as “plain, old outdated bigotry”, when we have seen its devastating consequences, particularly for women and children, across so many sectors and groups is ridiculous.

A lot of them talk very openly about their mental health struggles.

Being a man, or having mental health struggles, or even acknowledging that some men have mental health struggles is neither belittling or demeaning.

More importantly, why are you still banging on about the men, it's not about them.

This is about how beneficial it will be to women that the WI have decided to stay single sex (instead of taking the other option open to them, which was change their charter and become a mixed sex "People's Institution"), and subsequently how the WI must obey the law regarding single sex groups.

I'm quite interested to see how they go about these "Sisterhood" groups, and I hope that if it comes to it and it becomes necessary again, that someone threatens to sue the WI again if they misappropriate WI funds for the "Sisterhood", or unlawfully discriminate against anyone.

Thinking you are the opposite sex is not someones sexuality

Exactly this!

“People in this thread like to dress up hatred towards the other as some kind of progressive feminism and about “protecting our children” - when in fact it’s just plain old, outdated bigotry.”

The agenda from people like this who hang out on these threads is becoming increasingly clear and they are being seen. They thankfully don’t speak for women or indeed everybody.

Just answer this one and we can all go home.

What traits are shared by all born women AND all transwomen, which are not shared by any born men OR any transmen?

Can you please clarify for us what 'hatred' you are seeing on thus thread?

And how it compares to this level of hatred?

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But but… youre hanging out on this thread. Are you calling yourself a bigot?

The ‘agenda’ for most people on this board is to protect female single sex provision and to protect safeguarding policies around all female people. These impact ALL female people, even those who don’t want to be called girls or women.

That agenda does not include prioritising male people. It is a feminist board.

And you and others consider that bigotry?

What is bizarre is trying to claim that the issues we discuss and campaign for are supported by the majority of the population shown by the polling data from independent research organisations. So, do we speak for anyone but ourselves, no. But our campaigning is in line with the opinions of the majority of the UK population and several other countries.

You do you, by all means. Call us whatever you want. However you need to accept that your emotional manipulation just will not work here.

I've been asking this question for years now, I would love to hear an answer.

Wouldn’t it be nice to get an answer to this?

Didn't the Dentons document also outline this sort of thing as a strategy? Like how if getting trans identified males into female prisons could be done everything else would be a cake walk?

So IIRC the Dentons document outlined strategies like having trans identified men join groups similar to the WI to essentially put forward a real life friendly face. A person who could essentially infiltrate groups and be the connection to gender ideology as a wider movement.
It essentially suggested this strategy would be useful because the women targeted by it would either want to, or be guilted or peer pressured into, support for the individual, therefore supporting gender ideology.

How often have we heard it here? "Oh but I know a lovely trans woman, and the lovely trans woman I know wouldn't hurt anyone! The lovely trans woman I know is the most vulnerable! I don't see what the problem is!".

The problem is, that even if they are lovely, they are men. By allowing some men into single sex groups like the WI, it excludes some women who need that group - it excludes the very people who the group was set up for in the first place!

I won’t hold my breath.

I'm aware this sounds bat shit insane, tin foil hattery, but luckily there are still copies of the Dentons document archived online for people to read if they should wish to check for themselves.

It could probably be found by searching MN for a link.

“Emotional manipulation”🙄

It's not about hatred. It's about protecting the human and legal rights of women and girls. You do not get to give those away and you do not speak for women. I don't know how you could be so arrogant in your thinking to decide that you're entitled to do that. Framing it as hatred and bigotry is pure manipulation.

Gay men claim to be sexually attracted to other men and they actually are sexually attracted to other men. All the evidence points to their claim being true.

People with a trans identity claim to be the opposite sex (or no sex, both sexes ...) and they actually are not the opposite sex. All the evidence points to their claim being false.

They have an unshakeable, deeply held belief in something which is very obviously not true. And this belief seriously impacts every aspect of their lives, and also impacts the lives of everyone around them.

This meets the clinical definition of delusion, which the NHS and Mind both describe as a symptom of psychosis. Sometimes delusional disorder can exist without other symptoms.

https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/psychosis/symptoms/

https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/psychosis/about-psychosis/

It should not be demeaning to say this. It should never be demeaning to discuss mental illness. We need clear language, honesty and a lot less stigma. To claim it's demeaning to discuss this is to increase stigma, something the TRA have been doing for a long time.

The reason trans got moved from mental disorders to sexual disorders in the ICD is because the TRA lobbied and captured WHO and got them to move it to avoid the stigma of mental illness.

Yes, that’s right.

Well that is what you're doing.

You haven't been able to explain what this awful hatred and bigotry is that you keep referencing

Solid answer!

Yes. Emotional manipulation.

Do you need a line by line analysis of it so you can recognise why?

It's awful hatred and bigotry for women to want to uphold their rights as a sex, or to be able to congregate without men present.

Remember that trans identified man that called the police when a book group(? I think it was a book group) wouldn't allow him to attend their women only group held at one of their houses? They were a small privately run group of women, they didn't want to include a man, and they didn't want to include him in their homes. So he called the police and tried to have them arrested for transphobia and exclusion!