To think it is not at all sad that the Women's Institute is now only for actual women?

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“Incredibly sadly, we will have to restrict our membership on the basis of biological sex from April next year,” Green said. “But the message we really want to get across is that it remains our firm belief that transgender women are women, and that doesn’t change.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/dec/03/womens-institute-no-longer-accept-trans-women-members-april

Tellingly - they still think women can have a penis.

It’s quite revealing that genderist points rarely convince on their own merits, so some other unrelated group gets dragged in as a comparator.

To bring home the point that the bigotry against trans people exists and is prevalent. And that the essential denial of their existence is in essence is no different to the rampant homophobia of the past.

And that people in this thread like to dress up hatred towards the other as some kind of progressive feminism and about “protecting our children” - when in fact it’s just plain old, outdated bigotry.

Just stop it.

Men aren't women. It isn't hatred, or bigory to say so and [where it matters], to want spaces away from men, who already have pretty much all the spaces on the bloody planet.

How does this so called bigotry against transpeople on here compare to this behaviour that the TRA dole out to women who stand up for their rights?

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Mate, I don’t “hate” men, however they dress. I do think they are frequently misogynistic and thoughtless, and I don’t want any of them in female spaces, taking things intended to benefit women and girls as a traditionally disadvantaged group, or speaking sexist nonsense over me about women’s experiences. That’s all.

No one is denying people with trans identities exist. Where are you getting that from? We know they exist. Are you “othering” transpeople now! Wow! Did you get out of bed on the wrong side of bed today? So far that’s homophobia, misogyny and transphobia and it’s not even 9am. Tut tut.

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic. Therefore transwomen are marginalised, despite being born male. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

People who identify as the opposite sex undoubtedly exist. I just don’t find the “identity” meaningful to me, as I don’t subscribe to your ideology @ByShyRaven

The vast majority of trans identified people have not gone through any formal (legal or medical) gender reassignment process however. I'm not sure why that's so hard to understand.

I’m not sure what you think is different from what the pp said. She acknowledged that men could be marginalised if they have a protected characteristic. “Trans women” aren’t marginalised on the grounds that they are men though, as she was clear on.

Every single person has protected characteristics. Being heterosexual is a protected characteristic so are all heterosexuals marginalised?

But are they any more marginalised than any other group of men? I mean old men may be marginalised. Should we not prioritise them? What about gay men? What about Muslim men? Why are you not concerned with them? You seem to be prioritising males with a gender identity above all other groups of men. Why?

Exactly.

There is no problem with this and people with all kinds of different beliefs existing in the world.

However, I am not going to pretend a man can become a woman. No matter how much he believes that himself or how he wants me too.

Just as I don't believe some humans are really cats. Or very thin people are actually overweight.

“We’re talking about a marginalised group of people who don’t have it easy. Some human kindness wouldn’t go amiss.”

Female people are marginalised and certainly don’t have it easy. Thank you for calling for some human kindness for women.

I am glad you understand that female people should have some kindess shown to them by allowing them to have single sex provisions that exclude all male people. It is really important to have any provision set up to prioritise female people to remain for female people.

There's an extraordinary blind spot here.

Women are consistently, seriously, significantly marginalised and have been for all of human history.

Yet never a murmur about their rights and needs. Even when all this is going on.

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I find it so extraordinary that posters find it so, so easy to declare themselves 'allies' to men, yet never seem to spare a thought for the actual women.

A gay man is not demanding that anyone treat him as if he is not a male person or as if he was not attracted to the same sex.

There is no demand to be treated as if he is not materially what he is.

No, they're aren't more marginalised to than any other group of men. No one is claiming they are. But some people are claiming transwomen aren't marginalised because they are just men and men aren't marginalised at all. Which is bullshit.

I don’t think they’re a homogeneous group. I’d say that some are marginalised considerably and others not really at all.

And yes, mental health is certainly relevant to their marginalising.

You are failing to ‘bring home’ anything because your logic and your comparisons are flawed and seem only to be based on emotional reasoning. Making your posts an attempt at emotional manipulation to convince people to allow some male people to access female single sex provisions or to stop discussing the harms of those male people accessing female single sex provisions.

Ok they’re marginalised. Now what? What do you want feminists to do about it? Stop demanding they stay out of female spaces? Call them women? They are no more marginalised than any other group of men and a hell of a lot less marginalised than many women. So why should women care about one group of marginalised men when there are so many more marginalised women that need our help and attention?

Gender incongruence is included in section 17 of the ICD, as a condition related to sexual health.

https://icd.who.int/browse/2025-01/mms/en#577470983

(Fetishist paraphilia must be checked for ans excluded before diagnosis)

Homosexuality, as a sexual orientation, isn't in the ICD.

Why should a group of marginalised male people be allowed to access female single sex provisions?

The fact they are marginalised male people is not relevant to the discussion around access to female single sex provisions. Therefore bringing their marginalised status into the discussion is emotionally manipulative.

There are plenty of marginalised sub groups of male people. None of them should be accessing female single sex provisions.

There is nothing wrong with or demeaning about mental health issues.

Your post here is a really good illustration of why sex realists need a space to share information and support each other. Far too many people, just like you, demonise women who believe in and speak out for women's rights. You fantasise wildly abwhat hateful people we are. Women's rights are human rights. They cannot be erased to suit men.