To think it is not at all sad that the Women's Institute is now only for actual women?

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“Incredibly sadly, we will have to restrict our membership on the basis of biological sex from April next year,” Green said. “But the message we really want to get across is that it remains our firm belief that transgender women are women, and that doesn’t change.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/dec/03/womens-institute-no-longer-accept-trans-women-members-april

Tellingly - they still think women can have a penis.

Are you, at any point in this debate, going to care at all about women and girls with trans identities? Who are welcome in the WI and Girls Guides by the way. Or is it only male trans people you care about?

It is not a permitted charitable purpose for the Guide Association to support boys.

The Guide Assocation is a charity whose purpose is listed on the Charity Commission website as "TO PROMOTE THE EDUCATION OF GIRLS AND YOUNG WOMEN TO HELP THEM DEVELOP EMOTIONALLY, MENTALLY, PHYSICALLY AND SPIRITUALLY SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE A POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO THEIR COMMUNITY AND THE WIDER WORLD."

The Charity Commission can come down like a tonne of bricks against the trustees if they stray outside of that purpose.

They have been breaking their own charitable objects. They have failed to act in accordance with charity law. They cannot do that with impunity, they never should have and since the SC clarification they can no longer ignore it.

Disagreeing that someone can defy reality and become the opposite sex apparently equals hate.

It is not marginalising transwomen to have a women's only group.

Transwomen can join mixed sex groups or male only groups.

The blokes I know are only too happy to show their support for transwomen, so I'm sure they'll be fine budging up in their male only group and being inclusive of transwomen.

The only reasons this isn't good enough, is because they want the power over women and for women to validate them.

They still don't change sex regardless of any of all this though and that's part of the problem because women seek women's only groups in part because of the shared biological experiences and social expectations and they want to get away from men to do this. Men declaring they are women never share these and they distress women by trying to pretend they do or force their way into intimate conversations.

And unfortunately this actually turns on a minority of males which makes it even worse.

The answer is still no.

It is still that it is not hate for women to want privacy and dignity away from males. Any male, no matter how vulnerable they are, can fuck off to the far side of fuck trying to take this away from women. Their own vulnerability should mean they appreciate the unique vulnerability of women on the basis of sex. If they cant even show women that respect, why in god's name should any woman who needs that give them respect in return?

Respect is earnt, not given. Respect is something that everyone deserves. But it doesn't mean you get to make demands on others. That's just taking.

Women wanting their own spaces are not demanding anything from anyone else.
Make demanding access to women's spaces want to deprived them of ability to share uniquely women's experiences.

They are always able to have trans only spaces for the same purposes, women aren't stopping them doing this.

Stop colonists.

They cannot do this. It is against their charitable objects

As groups, not on a case by case basis:

Men = not marginalised

Trans identifying men = not marginalised. If they were we wouldn't be having to fight them in courts to get our bloody rights and spaces back.

Women = definitely marginalised compared to men

Trans identifying women = definitely marginalised compared to men.

Crusaders?
We aren't the ones with the religious fever to blindly believe in the impossible.
The self righteous of TRA is Victorian in its moralistic tones and ideals of social decorum and just all round bog standard old fashioned sexism.

Women daring to uphold their own rights and have opinions of their own?
How UTTERLY GHASSSSTLLY and unfeminine.

Why aren't they good citizens who know their place and keep in order? How awwwwwwful that they have ideas above their station.

Women wear trousers? Hooooowwww degenerate.

We must E-D-U-C-A-T-E these disgusting bigots and low lives into Accepting Everything We Say Without Question, Because We Know Better. Lock them up. Tar and feather them and drag them down the street by making an example of them so others do not copy.

If we call you names, it's utterly deserved. If you say "Don't be a dick and treat us with respect" it's disgggggggrrrraaaaccceeeful behaviour, how very dare you answer back.

You should be TOTALLY ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES.

Na mate. The plebs gave the finger to that shite over a hundred years ago.

It’s been listed on here why women like the fact it’s single sex.
I can’t think why on earth it would be more appealing to women that a man would be there. My local WI group is extremely elderly, I doubt some domineering men turning up would make it better for them. People like socialising within their own sex, it’s not odd.

DH is in a society which is 99% old/middle aged blokes, it’s a fucking nightmare. They’re all a pain in the arse and all trying to be in charge of each other.

Why have some people got a problem with women meeting up with other women?

We’re being told it’s mean, it’s vile, it’s ’phobic, it’s bullying, but genuinely what is the issue? Do we need a male chaperone at all times just to make sure we’re not plotting something unsavoury?

I feel like we’re regressing somehow and pretty soon we’ll be getting thrown in a pond with our limbs bound to see if we’re guilty or innocent.

More appealing to who? Because if there's one thing both women and TIM appear to agree on, its that women only spaces are appealing.

There are plenty of mixed sex organisations they can join. Males who identify as women join women's organisations to validate their entirely made-up identity. Doing this forces women to validate males as female. It is entirely unreasonable to expect women to be support animals for male fantasies.

It's not possible for a man to participate in a female only space because it ceases to be female only once he's there. Even if all the women present play along with the lie, it's still a lie and they all know it.

He cannot possibly want access to the space because he's female because he simply is not. There are only two reasons: either he is a predator, or he wants to use it to validate himself. Both completely undermine the entire purpose of a female space, making it a tool for men rather than a refuge for women. To co-opt an old and rather vulgar phrase, it's like fucking for virginity.

I can’t remember which thread this was raised on but the peanut analogy is perfect by Naomi Cunningham so I’ll state it again -

It’s like the “no peanuts” rule for a peanut-free dish. If you label a dish “peanut free”, you have to leave the peanuts out. All of them.

The fact that lots of people like peanuts is no answer. Peanut-free dishes aren’t about those people: they’re about the people who may go into anaphylactic shock and die if they eat a peanut. It doesn’t matter if the peanut has been mashed to a paste, moulded into the shape of a walnut and scented with walnut oil, so that no-one looking at it, smelling it or eating it would dream that it might be a peanut.

It doesn’t matter if it’s got a special certificate that says that for legal purposes it’s a walnut. It still needs to be left out of the peanut-free dish, or the peanut-free dish ain’t peanut-free.

I'll raise a glass to that!

As usual I see a few TRAs have invaded in an attempt to change the topic from the title topic of women and the WI, to how sad for the menz. So it always goes.

No! This is not about the men! This is about women's right to a single sex group, which obviously includes biological women who are trans identified.

Men and their handmaids can keep trying to change the course of the topic, but the public is really starting to wake up to this and feminists won't wheesht so we will continue to redirect the conversation back to the matter at hand - women, girls, and female rights!

Women and girls are deserving of having groups like the WI and GG to themselves as a sex class away from males as a sex class. It's really that simple.

If you are against this simple, lawful fact, you are a misogynist. It's really that simple.

It's funny how all these TRAs are here shouting at the women for being so mean, instead of going out and setting up mixed sex groups, which are lawful too, and being properly inclusive. You know supporting the "most marginalised and vulnerable" trans identified people - by which of course they always mean the men!

But nah! They'd rather spend their time here shouting at women for not handing over all their stuff to men.

Thanks TRAs for showing everyone who you are! #OperationLetThemSpeak 👏👏👏

It’s the best way of explaining it to people who don’t grasp the issue. I’ve successfully used it (and a vegetarian/steak analogy) to get the point across to people who aren’t particularly invested either way.

😂

So how are they more marginalised thanMuslim women, lesbians and black women?

I don’t believe they necessarily are. But the original poster was stating that they were not marginalised at all was my point. And simply were “men with womanly feelings”.

And there is a discourse both on this thread and in society of belittling trans woman. “Men with womanly feelings” “man in a dress” etc. And the worst - being trans is a mental health issue. It’s these kind of views that are the problem and smack of bigotry. In the same way that until 1973 the DSM classified being gay as a mental health issue.

I believe it should be possible to have reasoned debates about trans women in female spaces without the constant punching down and name calling at a marginalised group of people.

But they are men who claim that they have “womanly feelings”. And what debate do you want to have about letting males with a trans identity into female spaces? As stonewall said “no debate”. Women are saying no. Thst don’t need to give a reason. The law says males with a trans identity are excluded from female spaces. No debate necessary. And I don’t care how many “womanly feelings” they have, how sad it makes them or how pretty their dresses are. The answer is no. Some women are saying no. Get over it. To paraphrase Stomewall.

Why would 'womanly' be a belittling description? Why would a mental health issue be demeaning?

I don’t believe these men do have any “womanly feelings” if that helps. They’re just men, no more, no less. Being a man isn’t a bad thing.

If you said to a gay man “your sexuality is a mental health issue”. Would that be demeaning?

Gay men don’t think they have the brain of the opposite sex, no?

Are gay men demanding other people give up their rights? Why are you bringing gay men into this. Rather homophobic don’t you think?

Being gay is a clear and easily understood concept.

There is no workable definition for being trans. Of course people are going to struggle with a concept that even the biggest advocates cannot define.