Girl Guides are now GIRL ONLY!

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Following April's supreme court ruling, the Girl Guides have FINALLY made a statement and will remain GIRLS ONLY - Finally closing the door on admitting trans members or allowing BOYS to invade female only spaces/camp (which, would be done without informing parents that their daughter would be sharing a room with a biological male!) - I have a previous post in feminism chat for anyone wanting to read the previous thread on this

EMAIL RECEIVED HOT OFF THE PRESS 5 MIN AGO -

As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.
Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement. Details below.

Contact [email protected] or 020 7532 3970
All calls/emails will be confidential, and the service will be open 24hrs, 7 days a week.
Find out more, including how this team will handle personal data.

Denise Wilson (Chair of Trustees), Felicity Oswald (CEO) and Tracy Foster (Chief Guide)

In what way are they teaching girls to be scared of men?

But it’s not boys they’re excluding, it’s trans girls.

Don’t be sad, they can go to scouts, cadets, lots of other youth clubs ….. why push into the ONLY female only space ????

A WHAT four year old? Do the parents also have a vegan cat?

Men have always been able to volunteer and help and many are married/living with to unit leaders. They can't be members though.
When we ask for helpers we just ask for an adult family member.

Why? When we are told that people who are transgender are honest about their sex. Some things in life are based on a person's sex. Female people with transgender identities are not excluded from being Girl Guides, only male people.

They're males, whatever they and you like to call them and single sex spaces are important for girls.

When they first brought in their trans policy, young members who were girls but identifying with male stereotypes associated with 'trans' were specifically singled out to be 'encouraged' to join another organisation.

They did change this when people pointed out the absurdity of it.

But it seems odd that they cannot do this with the boys they have mistakenly admitted when they were flouting the law.

Who are male.

GG is a female only organisation and should have always remained that way. It was not set up for male children.

Why should a female only organisation centre male people?

I didn’t. But thanks for checking!

I am one of the few voices on this post offering a different view, so I have been replying to the multiple other posts, some of which are downright nasty, so I have taken a breather.

I found it difficult to read because of all the bold shouting, and I won’t click on links, so went straight to the source of yougov, which shows that 55% of women support people to identify how they like socially. In my personal experience, it’s higher, but we only know about the people we interact with.

YES !

But it is boys. Because that’s what so called “trans girls” are. When they aren’t middle aged men.

Trans girls are boys (males) who identify as girls.

Trans boys are girls (females) who identify as boys.

(There is a reason the language is so confusing. It is deliberately so.)

So trans boys can still be part of Girlguiding - but in this constantly centring-the-males way, GG don't seem to have bothered to address that.

So, you have chosen to not inform yourself by clinking the 5 or so other YOUGOV polls?

You didn't have to in any case - I gave you the results on a year by year comparison in the post. You just have to read the post to have the information.

You now sound that you are unwilling to consider factual information that you might not agree with. That is purely your own choice, of course, but if you choose not to read widely on this topic don't be surprised that you remain misinformed.

Look beyond the first line in the graphic. To help you, I’m attaching screenshots to this post.

Trans girls are boys.

“Identifying socially” is a woolly nothing phrase. If you drill down you will see that most people want intact males to stay out of spaces for women and girls, regardless of “social identity”.

Interesting wording. This didn't come because of a single complaint.

I still remember someone i read years ago. She was fostering two young girls who had been sexually abused. Guides was the only group activity they were allowed in (set by social services) because it was female only. If a male had joined, either as a brownie (I think that was the age group) or helper the girls would no longer be able to attend. It didn't matter how the male identified - they couldn't be in the girls' presence without the foster mum. This was their only chance to just be little girls.

Why would a single sex female organisation be any form of support to boys with special identities?

Girl Guides were set up for girls not boys, boys have enough groups for support systems girls need single sex groups to be heard, seen and their needs centred.
If boys with special identities need support groups then why dont they or their parents set some up or jion one of the many trans support groups that already exists.
Women and girls are not shields or support people for men and boys

Just to repeat again.

Yes. When asked a general question about supporting people who are transgender, people DO answer that they do support them living as their gender. If you leave it at that, you only have a part of the facts. Because when asked further with specifics, those answers swing to excluding male people from female single sex provisions.

This is consistent across several polling platforms in the UK. It is also a consistent pattern in the USA, Canada, NZ and in Australia.

It's not just the safety and dignity aspect of pretending mixed-sex spaces are single-sex, it's the horrendous sexism that underlies the belief that being male or female is about what you're like or the things you like. Restrictive, regressive, harmful and homophobic.

I can see that a few people on this thread either hadn't grasped that or were pretending not to.

Thank you. For the lurkers, because this poster doesn’t want to admit this.

Probably trying to avoid being attacked by the TRAs. We know how aggressive they are.

The trans girls can join the scouts instead.

oof - some of the comments on girlguiding facebook

I'm incredibly disappointed by this decision. This is not my Girlguiding. My Girlguiding is a safe space for ALL girls. We have been educating and raising allies. Calling out discrimination and bullying and teaching our girls to do the same. Sadly this does make me reflect on my role as a volunteer and if I can continue to be in an organisation that doesn't align to my values.

sounds like brainwash camp to me

I think we need to acknowledge that some posters will reject anything that they don't agree with while accusing people of not listening to their opinions.

This is also a consistent pattern. They will grasp the one thing they feel supports their belief and ignore all the other evidence to the contrary.

Once you see it, you cannot unsee it.