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Girl Guides are now GIRL ONLY!

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Iamwhoiamwhoareyou · 02/12/2025 14:41

Following April's supreme court ruling, the Girl Guides have FINALLY made a statement and will remain GIRLS ONLY - Finally closing the door on admitting trans members or allowing BOYS to invade female only spaces/camp (which, would be done without informing parents that their daughter would be sharing a room with a biological male!) - I have a previous post in feminism chat for anyone wanting to read the previous thread on this

EMAIL RECEIVED HOT OFF THE PRESS 5 MIN AGO -

As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.
Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement. Details below.

Contact [email protected] or 020 7532 3970
All calls/emails will be confidential, and the service will be open 24hrs, 7 days a week.
Find out more, including how this team will handle personal data.

Denise Wilson (Chair of Trustees), Felicity Oswald (CEO) and Tracy Foster (Chief Guide)

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SoMentallyDrained · 02/12/2025 16:48

HagCymraeg · 02/12/2025 16:38

The admins seem to have closed down the debate on the FB groups, directly them to contact GG HQ directly about the policy changes.
If anything goes by how HQ dealt with "enquiries" when they threw out their last batch of members (4000+ overseas members in 2023) these phone lines will be manned by non-members working from a flowchart enquiry script.
What a shitshow GG is honestly.
I am no longer taking new girls into my Ranger unit. When they age out I will leave, even though I am happy about today's decision.

Edited

Yes I was really looking forward to celebrating this wonderful news publicly (😁), however comments have now been turned off.

I so wish my DDs did not enjoy their (all genuine female) GG groups so much as I would love to have pulled them out of that disgraceful organisation.

PullingOutHair123 · 02/12/2025 16:48

nearlyemptynes · 02/12/2025 16:41

when my son came out he received nothing but support from his scout group a much more inclusive and friendly environment for all than girl guides. Girl guides are teaching girls to be scared of men - not at all healthy.

As I've said above. It is comparing apples and oranges.

GG sells itself as a single sex organisation for girls. And personally I think that is a really important role to have. The trouble is that they said "if you say you are female" then you are female, and can therefore join. This stopped it being single sex. But they didn't update any policies and safeguarding to reflect that.

Scouting has for many years been for both sexes. There are policies etc in place to manage this.

GG is not teaching girls that boys are scary. They are just giving them a safe place to just be girls. Really important in todays society.

Scouts is offering to all - and that's good too.

ThatCyanCat · 02/12/2025 16:49

Boys and men have no need of a female environment, so they'd only be trying to get in for validation at best (girls' spaces do not exist to be validation props for men) and something far more sinister at worst.

forgotmyusername1 · 02/12/2025 16:50

they can join the scouts which is unequivocally mixed sex

MowingMachine · 02/12/2025 16:51

user976534679875 · 02/12/2025 16:47

i am sharing my experience of talking to people about this issue, not my assumptions about a “silent majority”. If they are silent, you do not know what they think! A substantial majority of people I actually know and have talked to, are not GC

If they're talking to you then by definition they're not silent, are they? HTH.

MannersAreAll · 02/12/2025 16:52

This is brilliant news for girls, and in particular our local packs. I know at least 4 leaders were on the verge of quitting because of the position they'd been put in.

One Guide leader was lambasted by a fair few people because she openly said that she'd close doors if she was ever put in the position of being forced to allow a teenage boy to share toilets and bedrooms with teenage girls at camps.

Arran2024 · 02/12/2025 16:52

"With a heavy heart"...what is wrong with these people?!!!

Helleofabore · 02/12/2025 16:53

nearlyemptynes · 02/12/2025 16:41

when my son came out he received nothing but support from his scout group a much more inclusive and friendly environment for all than girl guides. Girl guides are teaching girls to be scared of men - not at all healthy.

No, GG are not teaching girls to be scared of men at all. Perhaps you have not had any involvement in GG's.

As far as I know, as long as there are also female GG leaders present, men have been included as helpers when needed. That has not changed with this policy change.

So, in what way are guides being taught to be 'scared of men'?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/12/2025 16:55

user976534679875 · 02/12/2025 16:47

i am sharing my experience of talking to people about this issue, not my assumptions about a “silent majority”. If they are silent, you do not know what they think! A substantial majority of people I actually know and have talked to, are not GC

Sure, whatever.

ThatCyanCat · 02/12/2025 16:55

user976534679875 · 02/12/2025 16:47

i am sharing my experience of talking to people about this issue, not my assumptions about a “silent majority”. If they are silent, you do not know what they think! A substantial majority of people I actually know and have talked to, are not GC

Bwa ha ha. When most people don't want to answer whether women have penises, even the most stubborn lying gaslighter knows it's not because they struggle to work out which of their parents is their mother. Your party's campaign of intimidation, threats, gaslighting and emotional blackmail lasted way longer than it should have done and it only got that far because everyone knew exactly who the women were.

Helleofabore · 02/12/2025 16:56

nearlyemptynes · 02/12/2025 16:41

when my son came out he received nothing but support from his scout group a much more inclusive and friendly environment for all than girl guides. Girl guides are teaching girls to be scared of men - not at all healthy.

I am still trying to work out what you are intending to say here.

Do you see safeguarding female people as teaching female people to be 'scared of male people'?

user976534679875 · 02/12/2025 16:56

MowingMachine · 02/12/2025 16:51

If they're talking to you then by definition they're not silent, are they? HTH.

that is exactly my point. I was responding to the person who claimed the silent majority is GC. How can you know that?

borntobequiet · 02/12/2025 16:57

user976534679875 · 02/12/2025 16:47

i am sharing my experience of talking to people about this issue, not my assumptions about a “silent majority”. If they are silent, you do not know what they think! A substantial majority of people I actually know and have talked to, are not GC

In that case the people you talk to are distinctly not representative of the general population.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

Where does the British public stand on transgender rights in 2024/25? | YouGov

Scepticism towards transgender rights has grown across the board since 2022

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

user976534679875 · 02/12/2025 16:57

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/12/2025 16:55

Sure, whatever.

Great discussion. Thanks

MowingMachine · 02/12/2025 16:58

user976534679875 · 02/12/2025 16:56

that is exactly my point. I was responding to the person who claimed the silent majority is GC. How can you know that?

Because, from bitter experience in some cases, we have learned not to speak out.

Thatonegirl21 · 02/12/2025 16:58

Trans satanic panic... absolutely ridiculous.

Helleofabore · 02/12/2025 16:59

user976534679875 · 02/12/2025 16:56

that is exactly my point. I was responding to the person who claimed the silent majority is GC. How can you know that?

Because the polling consistency shows that the UK population supports female single sex provisions remaining female only.

ThatCyanCat · 02/12/2025 16:59

user976534679875 · 02/12/2025 16:57

Great discussion. Thanks

I kind of love it when the people claiming women can have knobs accuse others of not arguing at a high level.

user976534679875 · 02/12/2025 16:59

borntobequiet · 02/12/2025 16:57

In that case the people you talk to are distinctly not representative of the general population.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

That poll states that 55% of people believe people should be allowed to live in the gender they prefer, rising to 63% in younger age groups.

Burntt · 02/12/2025 17:00

I’d still not trust an organisation that describes ensuring female right to single sex space as something requiring a heavy heart.

they are also not removing the boys already attending so this will only benefit future guides as confidentiality means you don’t know if there is already a male in the tent.

Helleofabore · 02/12/2025 17:00

user976534679875 · 02/12/2025 16:59

That poll states that 55% of people believe people should be allowed to live in the gender they prefer, rising to 63% in younger age groups.

maybe you missed this post?

YOUGOV UK TRACKER COMPARISONS
The following is the data from UK trackers from 2018 - 2024 tracking public opinion as part of their series of 'Where does the British public stand on transgender rights'. 2018 results included where they are available.

Here are some of the results that relate to the needs for female people to have single sex provisions:

In the following questions a transgender woman is someone who was biologically male at birth, but now identifies as a woman. A transgender man is someone who was biologically female at birth, but now identifies as a man.

Do you think transgender women should or should not be allowed to…
Take part in women's sporting events?2018 in italics, 2022 in [brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 27 [16] 12% 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 15%
Should not be allowed 48 [61] 74% 2018 - 2024 this is increase by 26%
Don't know 25 [22] 14%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 11%

Use women's changing rooms? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 42 [34] 25%. 2018 - 2024* this is decrease by 17%
Should not be allowed 33 [43] 58%. 2018 - 2024 this is increase by 25%
Don't know 25 [23] 17%. 2018 - 2024 *this is decrease by 8%

Use women's toilets? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 46 [38] 33%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 13%
Should not be allowed 30 [41] 51%. 2018 - 2024* *this is increase by 20%
Don't know 23 [21] 16%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 7%

Use women's refuges? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 47 [39] 29%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 18%
Should not be allowed 27 [36] 55%. 2018 - 2024 this is increase by 28%
Don't know 26 [25] 16%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 10%

No surgery question was asked in 2018

And the specific non surgical question from 2020:

Do you think a transgender woman who has not had gender reassignment surgery should or should not be allowed to...
Use women's changing rooms? 2020 in italics, 2022 in [brackets] vs 2024
Should be allowed 26 [25] 19%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 7%
Should not be allowed 46 [48] 63%. 2020 - 2024* *this is increase by 17%
Don't know 28 [27] 18%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 10%

Use women's toilets?
Should be allowed 31 [29] 23%. 2020 - 2024* *this is decrease by 8%
Should not be allowed 41 [46] 60%. 2020 - 2024 this is increase by 19%
Don't know 27 [25] 18%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 9%

And finally:

This question was also not asked in 2018

Do you believe that allowing transgender women to use spaces reserved for women, such as women's toilets or changing rooms, does or does not present a genuine risk of harm to women? 2020 in italics, 2022 in [brackets] vs 2024
Does not present a genuine risk of harm 39 [32] 25%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 14%
Does present a genuine risk of harm 32 [39] 55%. 2020 - 2024 this is increase by 23%
Don't know 29 [29] 20%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 9%

d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Transgenderdata2018.pdf

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Transgenderdata2020.pdf

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/InternalTransgenderIssues220720finalextraXbreakFINAL.pdf

https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/YouGov-Transgenderstudy2024.pdf

There are other polls from around the world linked on this thread below:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5445880-statistics-poll-evidence-archive-thread?reply=148913457

There is a large difference between people who believe people who describe themselves as transgender 'living' in their gender and the practical applications. When it comes to actually answering questions that explore what that means, the answers swing towards excluding male people from female single sex provisions.

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Transgender_data_2020.pdf

CatusFlatus · 02/12/2025 17:01

LucyMonth · 02/12/2025 15:28

This utterly baffles me.

Are people seriously concerned a 4 year old male is going to cause harm to their girls? But no one has ever questioned the fact that grown adult men are involved in Girl Guides all the time. Even if they aren’t part of the actual organisation they are often involved in the locations where the camps are run and the activities they do.

30 years ago a grown adult man locked me in a wardrobe as a punishment (fork through the door handles) for chatting in the bunks at night on a Guides camp. I was 10. The things people focus on regarding women and girls safety is moral panic hysteria and has zero grounding in the reality of the dangers kids face.

People merrily dropping their 10 year old girls at a mates house for a sleep over with grown adult men or teen boys in the house who they don’t know, but God forbid a 4 year old boy joins Rainbows.

Edited

Have you even considered the harm that poor 4 year old boy is coming to at the hands of his parents aided and abetted by brainless adults like GGUK? The less parents are supported in their harmful delusions by organisations like this the better.

PolyVagalNerve · 02/12/2025 17:02

Well1mBack · 02/12/2025 14:51

The grudging tone from them is quite astounding. I have trauma from men from a young age and would have hated knowing that I was sharing with males.

Yes the grudging tone to this is deafening !!!!!

the ridiculous thing is that the VAST amount of women and girls who give their time / attend guiding absolutely do this with the fact that it is valuable female only space at the forefront

these crazy people at GG HQ who has pushed this trans ideology into this female space have not done this with the backing of the members and as we all know those who spoke out against this were thrown out !!!

the rest have stayed quiet / seething and hoped that common sense would prevail and finally the female space would become a protected value once more !!

hooray

and people outside of GG - please don’t judge the leaders for this shit show that was allowed to play out and this begrudging U turn - it was never in our name

justpassmethemouse · 02/12/2025 17:02

Stillpresent · 02/12/2025 15:03

not in the least bit sad

moreover, storm in a teacup. I reckon will be a handful at most impacted

It’s still sad, no matter how small the minority. Every little piece of trans exclusion & non binary exclusion is sad.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/12/2025 17:02

The silent majority doesn’t “identify” as GC, because it’s an in group term. They know people with penises are men though and they don’t want them in female spaces.

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