Girl Guides are now GIRL ONLY!

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Following April's supreme court ruling, the Girl Guides have FINALLY made a statement and will remain GIRLS ONLY - Finally closing the door on admitting trans members or allowing BOYS to invade female only spaces/camp (which, would be done without informing parents that their daughter would be sharing a room with a biological male!) - I have a previous post in feminism chat for anyone wanting to read the previous thread on this

EMAIL RECEIVED HOT OFF THE PRESS 5 MIN AGO -

As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.
Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement. Details below.

Contact [email protected] or 020 7532 3970
All calls/emails will be confidential, and the service will be open 24hrs, 7 days a week.
Find out more, including how this team will handle personal data.

Denise Wilson (Chair of Trustees), Felicity Oswald (CEO) and Tracy Foster (Chief Guide)

Trans at four years old? My little one was a dinosaur at that age. The parents of that poor mite need a good boot up the bum.

Exactly this

Boys can have boys clubs if they want them.

Scouts let in girls because they were failing and boys just don’t want to join clubs like that, they needed numbers.
If Guides had changed in the 90s it wouldn’t exist anymore as not enough would join for a mixed sex club. Girls join guides because it’s a single sex organisation.
I have friends where one daughter joined scouts and one guides, because one of them didn’t want to go somewhere with boys.
Maybe it’s sad there’s no boys only club but that’s not girls fault/problem
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HTH - hope that helps.

Well.. the Supreme Court - ?

I am actually sympathetic to boys having their own single sex organisation.

I think boys can find having mixed sex provision difficult as well and might enjoy the company of other men and boys.

Unfortunately scouts decided to go mixed sex due to having insufficient volunteers/ numbers of boys wanting single sex organisation.

I wonder if in the future a new organisation might spring up for boys.

Given the reduction of volunteers in society at the moment, I can't see it though.

Yes. His parents are abusing him.

Muslim girls wouldn't be able to go camping with boys.

I recall that when I was in the Guides, there were 6 Guides to a tent.

Scouts became mixed sex due to lack of volunteers and members. This happened nearly 20 years ago

GG never claimed to be mixed sex even when it allowed certain boys to join. It’s a single sex organisation that relies on legal sex discrimination to remain single sex.

What is confusing? Scouts and Guides are two completely separate entities.

If men and boys want their own single sex organisation then they should create one but this time make sure it is sustainable.

Nope.

That is material reality.

That you wish it was just opinion doesn’t change the abiding material reality. That is the point.

Actually it's Trans ideology that has reduced biological women to nothing more than 'chest feeders' and 'people with uteruses' not unlike in The Handmaids Tale whereby women are reduced to nothing more than vessels for carrying babies and I can assure you THAT world is more Afghanistan than the one I lived in before the world went mad with all this shit.

Obviously, it is not an opinion, it's a fact, and you know it because you know which sex your loved ones pretend to be because it is the sex they are not.

But still, even if you must pretend that it is an opinion, you should also respect that opinion. If you want to pretend a man is a woman, that's up to you. But if you want me to pretend a man is a woman, that is up to me. Pretend it's an opinion if that makes it easier, but do not try to force me to give up my sex based rights and protections because you think it is not up to me.

Honestly, your family can do what they want. They just need to stay out of spaces meant for the sex everyone knows they aren't. Nobody has a human right to enter spaces for the opposite sex. We all abide by the same rules.

Because it involves camping and weekend activities? As a child raised in a muslim household, I was not allowed to even wear jeans after the age of 12 (too sexually provocative), let alone hang out in a mixed sex environment where we would be changing, showering, sleeping in proximity to boys. FFS my dad and uncle walked a cousin outside and had a word for simply passing me a note asking me out on a date when I was 15 at a family wedding.

How to convey that you know nothing about muslim culture without saying so.

Whilst that was 30odd years ago in my case, the recent news coverage of the exclusion of females over 12 in a Muslim charity fun run evidences it is absolutely still an issue - whether we agree with it or not - so it is vital young Muslim girls have space both they and their families consider safe… ie free from male presence.

No such thing as a trans child.

Great news 👏

Thank god common sense is slowly coming back!

the thing is, they can always join scouts - it’s been open to girls and boys for years!! But no, that’s not enough for them they have to invade the one space just for girls!

But then what would be different about them?

But if girl guides had moved to mixed sex or be shut down would we still be having this debate? I’m not on either side here by the way but this particular move has really provoked thought. My 3 daughters all do what traditionally would have been predominantly all female sports and more recently all male sports with rugby and football but are now all mixed so at what point do we actually start looking at equality?

anyone dealing with units is subject to PVG, volunteers to units are allowed x amount to visits to check they "fit" then have to stay away until PVG comes through

At what point did they change ‘sex’ to you - when they said it, when they had surgery?
No human in the history of all time has changed sex, they may have changed some outward features and taken hormones - but they are still the sex they always were and will be.
Also you say ‘believe’ it’s all it can be, it’s not a fact.

Agreed. Every time the article says ‘trans girls’ I was inwardly shouting ‘Boys. The word is boys.’

scouts also went mixed sex to be able to access funding single sex groups dont get acccess too

Well obviously not because it would either no longer exist or be unaffected by the SC judgement.

But why are people trying to make this about Scouts, anyway? They're a totally different organisation.

Good. It's a safe place. My dd has gained a lot from rainbow s and brownies.

Maybe you think GC views are in the minority because people, especially women, have been scared to speak up. Look what happened to Sandie Peggie when she said she didn't want a male in the women's changing room - she was harrassed and victimised by NHS Fife and ended up in a tribunal, where she was told all the other women must be ok with man-in-changing-room because no-one else had complained! There are many other instances of GC women having to go to court or resign over their beliefs - Maya Forstater, Jo Phoenix, Kathleen Stock

On the other hand, I've yet to hear of anyone being victimised at work, or cancelled, for being pro-trans. And that's before you start on the campaigns of harrassment outside work - spitting, pissing, issuing threats, getting the police to arrest people for misgendering, or "breaking" umbrellas, or putting up stickers...