Girl Guides are now GIRL ONLY!

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Following April's supreme court ruling, the Girl Guides have FINALLY made a statement and will remain GIRLS ONLY - Finally closing the door on admitting trans members or allowing BOYS to invade female only spaces/camp (which, would be done without informing parents that their daughter would be sharing a room with a biological male!) - I have a previous post in feminism chat for anyone wanting to read the previous thread on this

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As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.
Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement. Details below.

Contact [email protected] or 020 7532 3970
All calls/emails will be confidential, and the service will be open 24hrs, 7 days a week.
Find out more, including how this team will handle personal data.

Denise Wilson (Chair of Trustees), Felicity Oswald (CEO) and Tracy Foster (Chief Guide)

Girls and boys are socialised very differently and it is good for girls to have girl only spaces to take risks etc away from the more likely to dominate boys.

I am curious to know which jobs are suitable for men, and which jobs are suitable for women?

Should men be nurses, teachers, social workers? What about taking care of their own children or child relations?

Or is that all ‘women’s stuff’ ?

No, I'm fiercely feminist and I don't think it's sexist at all. I think I've read enough of this thread but I honestly do appreciate the food for thought, it's been an eye opener in many ways and has given me lots to mull over.

GG is supposed to be a safe space for the female sex. Any boys there makes it a mixed sex. Restoring the rights of girls to have female-centred spaces is what the overwhelming majority want.

You wouldn't have known anything about it until you were stuck sharing with a boy, and most appallingly, neither would your parent or guardian. Disgraceful state of affairs even if just looked at from a safeguarding angle. If the Board have such a 'heavy heart', perhaps they ought to resign and let someone who believes all-girls spaces are important and not an unwelcome imposition.

Having single sex spaces for specific activities does not make us Afghanistan.

Prioritising men over women, making women less safe by removing single sex provision for certain areas, that brings us closer to that situation.

If we remove all female provision - allow everything to be accessible to men, allow them to stop us playing sports (because they will always win and will hurt us if we play against them), allow them to observe us in changing rooms and hurt us in prisons - then we are getting closer to Afghanistan.

These are womens' rights we are trying to uphold, not give away to men to 'be kind'

I used to volunteer with a mixed sex youth organisation. The vast majority of safeguarding incidents were child on child. Not saying there were no issues with adults but don’t fool yourself that the adults are much more likely to be a danger.

some people just can’t move their mindset from stereotypes no matter how hard they try. I have a tomboy daughter. The amount of people that ask her if she’s trans is unbelievable. She just tells them to fuck off. You can dress in boy clothes and have short hair and still be a girl. Just getting your hair cut short doesn’t induce testosterone. She just thought football in the playground looked so much more fun than handstands and hair plaiting, and it went from there. Who can blame her.

But one thing that shows how incredibly regressive trans ideology is is the adherence to stereotypes. Like if a GC person gets called out by a transwoman they (the TW) regularly say how much more feminine they look than the actual woman. Like groomed hair and nails change your chromosomes in any way. The whole thing needs to get in the sea!

We shouldn't be teaching our girls to 'be kind' - we should be teaching them to be 'bloody angry' at the erosion of our rights to privacy, safety and dignity. Girls and women are not here to flatter, endorse and placate mixed-up males. I don't see the trans-activists being very 'kind' with their threats of rape and violence towards women who have the temerity to disagree with them. 'Be Kind' my eye.

Sorry but why would muslim girls be excluded? Cos there were boys at their after-school club?

In scouts teenage boys absolutely can share accommodation with teenage girls, as long as everyone knows and is happy for it to happen. In my son's troop there is one girl, she has her own tent on camps, which is also a safeguarding failure. She's not loud, boisterous or boyish and doesn't really join in with everything. The boys would rather have a single sex troop too.

💯 this.

Most jobs are possible for both sexes.

Some jobs have training requirements that may be easier for one sex to achieve rather than the other - due to physical strength, height, speed etc.

Some jobs still have negative stereotypes around them - often seen here on mumsnet when talking about men caring for young children. Individuals who want to do these jobs have to be quite robust to challenge these stereotypes.

There will be some jobs that have single sex exemptions for a good reason - often due to care being needed from a particular sex.

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“It's just a difference of opinion isn't it”

No. Believing that a male person will always be a male person is a matter of established science and medical knowledge. It is not a ‘matter of belief’ at all.

Believing that you are not the sex you materially are IS a philosophical belief and it doesn’t reflect material reality. A person can believe it all they wish to, however it will not be factually correct or biologically provable.

A person can believe it all they wish to, however they will be challenged on the misinformation that they bring to a discussion regularly.

As it is philosophical belief not based on material reality, not one other person on earth needs to act as if that philosophical belief is materially real.

We had male helpers in our Guides - genius at the driving and the putting up of tents - greatly appreciated and well-liked - however, they didn't expect to share washrooms, dorms and tents with the female children.

And that's your opinion :)

I don’t know what HTH means? So girls can have girls only clubs but boys clubs that was always Boy Scouts now are mixed irrespective of it being a 90’s thing. So if they made girl guides just guiding in the 90’s would a mixed sex guiding be ok now? Sorry genuinely confused.

That's fantastic

We are women and girls. We are entitled to choose our own company.

@Thatcannotberight I'm really shocked that scouts allowed mixed sex sleeping.

I worked with a mixed youth organisation that ran overnight camps and the different sexes were kept very far apart. Adults were separate to the children, both for sleeping and washing/showering, but each sex adults were adjacent to the same sex children.

The only individuals I came across that claimed trans-identity, were told they had to sleep in the area related to their sex. They left.

This all day long.

Girls and women shouldn't be shamed for wanting a single sex organisation. Girls and women are not support humans.

We're finally getting our stuff back!

I think we should have single sex Scouts/Guides. No problem - it's beneficial for all involved.

I think the reason why GG is girls only is because people choose it BECAUSE it’s girls only. Make it mixed sex and no one would go. Girls like having a single sex space. It’s part of the attraction.J

It's not an 'opinion'. It's a biological fact of life.

The scouts went mixed sex due to lack of numbers - it was that or shut down