To Think Non-Medically Required Circumcision Is Abuse?

[BigFatBully]

Circumcision of a child if not required for a medical reason is abuse. I don't believe a child can consent to mutilation and it should be for them to decide when they reach adulthood if they want such a procedure.

I don't understand how anyone could take a happy baby who is otherwise healthy and do this to them.

It's male genital mutilation (MGM).

Anyone who thinks their cultural
mores are more worthy than the law is the arsehole, surely?

This.

My oh is circumcised due to medical.reasons. He is ok with it and I like it. However id never do it to my child unless it was medically necessary. It's unnecessary and has no proven benefits in regards to cleanliness etc.

Oh, I'm sorry, so you are ok with hurting kids without consent but object to a mild swear?

That's pretty fucked -sorry - messed up.

This. Should be illegal.

Has your husband ever experience life as a child and then adult both having never had it done and having had it done? If not how can he possibly compare?

Do you have any sympathy with my assertion that many people who are genitally mutilated (male or female, MGM, FGM or trans) have an in-built self-protection mechanism where they brain simply does not allow them to consider how things might have been as to do so would be to live a miserable life of regret or anger at those who did you harm?

I take it your ears aren’t pierced?

I think my cultural belief that FGM is absolutely wrong is infinitely more worthy than the law in Somalia. Obviously.

Very disturbing to think that you believe that FGM is acceptable in Somalia.

So it's your passion but also a sad reality money is limited and we have to support the charities as we individually choose, I have charities I give to generally around things that I have personal links to like cancer, child poverty and DA I can't give to everyone....but I do sign petitions. Not giving to your favourite cause doesn't mean people don't support in other ways. People speaking out brings change.
Because one type of abuse causes more harm doesn't negate other types of abuse, there is no trump card.

Eh? FGM is illegal in Somalia.

What has that got to do with anything?

The key word here is consent, and I don't know how to state it any more clearly than I and other posters already have.

1 last try:

I disagree with anyone who causes or condones unnecessary pain to any living creature who hasn't or can't consented to it, be that a child, adult or indeed any other animal. I don't care what the law says about it. The law is driven by morality, not the other way around.

In my country of origin it's illegal to be homosexual. I disagree with that law and don't think that makes me an arsehole no.

Will you be outside Claire’s in the high street protesting against the mutilation of little girls’ ears?

Yet.....these things change over time and generally the more horrific come first. Many of them will also be fighting their own experience and have to have it drummed into them that what they grew up being told wasn't the whole truth. If you live somewhere where things are normal everyday occurrences you don't see it as wrong....for example many thought corporal punishment did them no harm and kids today need a good smack .....and smacking is still not illegal everywhere.

My apologies for not knowing that FGM is illegal in a country with 96% / 99% rates of FGM.

Please swap "Somalia" for a country where it is illegal and try addressing the point as opposed to avoiding it.

[To be fair to myself, I think there's an argument that FGM is legal in Somalia even if it is illegal according to a piece of paper issued byt he government]

Should be illegal, too.

Seems cleaner and healthier to me

Again people's time is limited and you have to prioritise but ask many to sign a petition and they would agreeing or disagreeing with something doesn't mean you have to actively protest for it.....how many causes do you go out protesting for. I think your personally invested in FGM which is fine but surely you have other opinions on other issues have you protested on all of them? Does your opinion only count if you protest?

Why? Your genitals are hidden presumably are they dirty? Washing is an option

We have a family history of ingrowing toe nails so I had all my DC's toes removed at birth just in case, seemed cleaner and healthier

100%. My daughters are finding dating a bit harder due to the double mastectomies I put them through at 14 but they're grateful that their breast cancer risk is almost zero.

If you could actually come up with a legitimate argument rather than just resorting to strawmen over and over again, that would be useful.

Soap is a thing. Bit less extreme than just chopping something off to save having to wash.

It's not to save having to wash, it's about saving dad's the embarassment of having to explain to their sons how to wash.

You obviously dont know what Muslim men pass down to their sons then. If you think they would be embarrassed about that. There are lots of things about sex and relationships.

I had my ears pinned back when I was 7. Thinking of suing my parents for mutilation. Or just thanking them for giving a shit.