Is there anyone on here who voted Labour who is genuinely happy with how things are going

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I didn’t vote Labour, but was actually quite excited. We needed change, now I dint think that at all and although Tories weren’t great in many respects, this shit show feels worse! I’m so tired of our politicians just not doing what is best for the country and having to curtail to babk benchers/unions, lining their own pockets and wardrobes and generally just being untrustworthy.
i have no doubt Farage will get in next time, and it will be Keir’s fault.

I’m not ecstatic with some of the things they’ve done but I know they inherited a black hole of debt from the Tories, and whilst it may look like a shit show it actually would be worse if the Tories were still in power and even worse if Reform gets in.

Because those currently on £110k who salary sacrifice down to £99k would actually pay tax on the full £110k if they weren’t taking the absolute piss with the tax rates. 62% tax rate, add in student loans that’s 71%. Which no one wants to pay so they go part time or salary sacrifice into pensions, neither of which helps growth

Childcare is a temporary cost paid by a relatively small percentage of people at any one time. Even a single person on minimum wage is eligible for a small amount of benefits. That simply shouldn’t be the case. No employer should get away with wages that aren’t enough to live on.

It is a mystery to me that those cheering on Reform claim not to actually support Reform.

I can't stand the Tories, but if they were in government and being beaten by a mile in the polls by Reform, I wouldn't be cheering Reform on. I'd be bloody worried. But I suppose some people are OK with the prospect of a racist government.

Centralised childcare (nursery and wrap around), universal free school meals, subsidised and revamped public transport, reform/scrap stamp duty to drag house prices down and improve mobility in the market.
Off the top of my head. Obviously not an exhaustive list.
Giving more and more free money to a growing number of people only inflates housing costs and keeps wages artificially low. It hasn't worked thus far, it's not about to start.
Please don't confuse me with the forced work poster. I'm not pro poverty, I just think we need some fresh ideas because we are snowballing.

Yes. Progress is slow but I expected that. Net migration is down, NHS waiting lists are starting to fall. Defence expenditure is rising in the face of new threats and decreased US support.

I think people underestimate how much the budget had to please the bond markets to avoid a Truss-style panic. And how little those markets trust promises by any party to cut spending.

It's not perfect, but nothing ever is. One thing I do disagree with is people saying 'blame Keir if Farage is elected.' If you choose to vote for Farage then do so, that's your right, but don't act like a toddler and say that someone else made you do it FFS. Did Keir make you put your hand in the fire too?

Scrapping stamp duty has inflated the housing market every time it’s been done on a temporary basis. It’s not a solution to anything. Those bright ideas would cost a fortune and tax rates would be as high as they were in the 1970s to pay for them.

They really are not. They are a bunch of lying disingenuous traitors. Never again.

Agree with all of the above.

As I said, I’m a Labour voter. Have been for at least the last 10 years. The country is sinking fast and they don’t seem to be doing anything about it. If they don’t do anything soon we’re going to get Reform or Greens, both of which prospects are equally horrifying.

I agree with those ideas.

They cost money but increasing income tax seems a taboo for all parties.

And I wish Labour had been brave enough to increase it 1/2%. The budget fallout would have been the same

I know you are not the forced labour poster.

Who is the first line aimed at? The polls are high for Reform, that’s the case whether Labour want to know or not.

It doesn’t mean you or pp know who is voting for them.

I don't follow the news often, or spend much time on social media, but I am happy that three people in my immediate family have been offered NHS dentists recently, and that the roads seem to be being fixed.
I haven't noticed much difference in any other way, not unhappy though.
I think people get very riled up online so try to avoid that if possible.

They do cost money. But it would be instead if, not as well as, increasing pensions and benefits.

The key problem with what you said was ‘on a temporary basis. It needs to be thrown in the bin. Now. For good. With a loud message that it is NEVER being resurrected.

We then need to scrap council tax too and introduce an annual tax of a proportion of your house value instead. So people in large houses like mine would see a massive rise. And people in smaller houses would see a big fall. But it would be much fairer.

Stamp duty is a terrible tax for many reasons. Mainly because it incentivises people to remain in houses that no longer meet their needs, and prevents people from moving to get a new job. So many people sitting in houses they don’t want to be living in due to stamp duty.

Some will always vote Labour no matter what, it’s those who are pissed off at them after giving them their vote last time whom they should worry about losing. I don’t blame you btw

Stamp duty reforms have never been trialed long term. The initial panic would subside.
I'd pay more tax if we all saw positive changes as a result. They're going up anyway, might as well do it properly and all get something out of it.

I hate to say, I told you so but, I told you so. Some of us remember the mess Labour made in the 70's and then the Blair/Brown years

I would have Blair back rather than this current shower, and that's saying something

I stick with as well.

Well that would obviously be unaffordable. And would actively undermine efforts to drive house prices down and wages up.

Absolutely.

Never again what?

Will i vote for them

This isn't about Labour. Everyone who doesn't support Reform should be very worried about that lead, regardless of their personal politics.

There are lots of decent anti-Labour people who are worried about Reform. We all need to put personal politics aside and work together to keep the racists out of power. Although hopefully Reform will collapse before the next GE. Maybe Farage will go the way of Gill. Here's hoping.

I am well aware that raising benefit payments is as unpopular as raising wages on MN

Plenty of threads on greedy junior doctors and train drivers alongside benefit bashing ones.

I think, overall, they are doing better than what we have had for the last 14 years - Austerity, Brexit, failed public services, the national debt doubled, roads a mess, Liz Truss, justice & prison systems collapsed - a woman raped today who gets her attacker arrested, can expect a court appearance in 2029....

Doesn't any of this bother you?

Of course Labour have made mistakes but not on the scale the Tories did.

Reform have no policies and would, should they win, have in Govt, almost no one who has ever been an MP, let alone been in the shadow front bench, it would be an utter disaster.

As has happened in the councils they ve won.... Kent council paid 1000s to have new school markings repainted, then found out the school had been closed for over 9 years, then lied and said it only cost £350....