Working families £18k worse off than benefits claimants after budget

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This is madness. Can the last taxpayer in the UK please close the door behind them.

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Quite.

My friend's son was initially refused DLA, despite diagnoses of autism, PTSD and generalised anxiety disorder, but I helped her get the decision overturned at a mandatory reconsideration.

PIP's the same. I recently retired after spending several years working in welfare rights, and every PIP appeal I've ever done was successful, because DWP decision making is pisspoor and the system is stacked against the claimant. My DB was on the standard rate of PIP for daily living; I helped him with his renewal and he's got enhanced rate of daily living plus standard mobility, which is exactly what he should have been getting for the last 4 years.

Imo, the DWP treat it as a numbers game, they turn down valid claims or make awards lower than they should be because they know that a lot of people simply won't have the energy or ability to challenge their decisions.

Yep same here. It is a relief to know UC is there as a back up.

My son was awarded HRC & HRM at the first time of asking but I strongly believe that is only because he was in hospital at the time which meant I had access to hospital social workers who knew exactly how to word things, what to emphasise and what would be irrelevant. It still took hours of note taking, going through all of the questions on the forms, asking the social workers questions etc.

and then it was gathering all of the evidence needed which isn't just a GP saying ''Bob is anxious'' as some people seem to think.

It is so complicated, it's no wonder some just give up and don't bother if they or their child are turned down the first time.

I agree. It’s a huge chunk to lose when trying to better self and work

You have no clue do you.

UK spends less on welfare than pretty much any European country, because its so low and has no contributory aspect, some people can get stuck in unemployment.
Compare to Germany where a newly unemployed worker gets almost all their old salary, subject to length of time in work.

There are 34m people in work, some 27m in FT work, numbers in work increased by 440k in the last 12 months.

We are still a nation of workers, despite the constant doom mongering from the 'right wing.

I needed temporary help. I’ve worked since I was 13 and never been unemployed
i was made redundant from my job of 7 years and took a new one, then they got rid of me after 8 weeks (no fault of my own)
so while I was job hunting I claimed UC
is that ok? I mean it was £400 and that’s it

yes there are jobs but applications, interviews, processes etc took time and I wanted to avoid going into a job to be made redundant yet again

No one has said temporary support shouldn’t be available

No but there’s a lot of that people are raking it in on benefits and they should have to go to the job centre etc etc
maybe yes some people are able to claim too much but the temporary help available is nowhere near enough
I couldn’t afford the parking on £400pm

There are 8.3million on UC

There are nearly 1million jobs not taken by any of those people and nearly 1.8mill not working

Only 33% of those on UC work and not all full time

The numbers claiming are rising
The numbers claiming PIP are rising
Predictions on the cost to the tax payer by 2030 make the system unaffordable
That’s why the Conservatives and Labour tried to reduce welfare

This isn’t a sustainable system
too many people are not net providers
too many people do not provide at all

The threads not about temporary support though

UC when unemployed is supposed to be to tie people over till they find work
Its not enough to always pay for everything we want eg parking

Has Mumsnet been taken over by the Daily Mail lately. It used to be a safe space to get away from this shite. Go away with your benefit bashing bollocks.

It’s not even enough to pay my bills is my point really
i don’t think anyone can on £400 which is why I said about parking. Single so it falls all to me
if you have a mortgage it’s don’t pay it or take a mortgage holiday on that. Just covers my water, gas, electric and service charge

Many of them will have very different circumstances and can't all be tarred with the same brush.

My husband works full time, he'll be working 60 hour weeks over the Christmas period because he's in hospitality.

I don't work because I'm the carer of our disabled child.

Our lives completely changed with our sons disability.

It’s not about taring anyone with the same brush
We have a system that doesn’t work
A system that doesn’t encourage work
and in fact discourages it.

That’s what has to change

single people don’t get a lot and if they aren’t living in multi share properties
I agree paying bills will be ( almost ?) impossible on their own.

Of course it is.

The message is very, very clear. UC = lazy people who sit on their arses all day.

UC consists of 6 different benefits that previously were all separate. Being on UC does not mean someone is not working, or can't be arsed. Some people work part time because they have children, caring responsibilities, or have disabilities. These are also reasons why some people do not work at all.

Again, there are 2.4 jobseekers for every vacancy. Those job vacancies include MLM shit, zero hours jobs, and ghost jobs.
There is always going to be millions of people out of work, and they need support to live. They can't live off fresh air.

Like I said 33% on UC work.

I didn’t say no one worked

There are just under 1mill jobs. See pp
and approx 1.8mill classed as unemployed

That’s not 2.4/job.

It’s not bollocks though. The cost of the welfare system has grown exponentially and it can’t continue this way. Other services are not getting the funding they need such as mental health services because of it. People need to open their eyes to this

Illness and disability won’t disappear, if only, how smug of you to suggest it
my Parkinson’s at 63, leaves me unable to work, and has done for years, no cure either

But some do though only work part time. I know this is unpopular and difficult for people but that doesn’t make it not true. Get angry at those people

Funny how, when Welfare was lower, the previous Govt didn't fund Mental Health services at all, they are in the toilet.

They spent our money on tax cuts, which we lapped up.

Pensioner poverty is up, real poverty, yet TL is supposed to go.

The UK spends less on Welfare than most European countries.

I would rather we look at how the extremely wealthy avoid tax.

I think you may have quoted the wrong poster?

People in your situation/condition should get far more support than they currently do.

The lack of services and therapies for life long/limiting conditions is shocking, its what my DD does for a living.

Some do.

As I said, people on UC have many different circumstances and are not all the same.

And that may be but as I have said on numerous occasions if you are able bodied and not a carer for a child with sen you should not be sitting at home for half the week whilst the taxpayer funds you. This is not unreasonable