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AIBU for telling my son's dad he can have our son on Christmas Eve day but not Christmas morning.

110 replies

NattyRedWriter · 30/11/2025 13:37

So just to clarify before I start, me and my son's dad have a reasonably amicable relationship and have done since we split 5 years ago. We parted on mutual amicable terms and make arrangements for our son between us.

He sees our son about once a fortnight- through his choice- and I am happy to accommodate the days that work for him, because up until recently he was working weekends and didn't have set hours. As long as it doesn't affect our son's football matches for that weekend as this is our son's favourite thing and we both know this and wouldn't want his matches affected. I drop him off and pick DS up because he doesn't drive.

He doesn't pay maintenance but does pay for half of our son's clubs- as well as football our son does 2 other clubs and goes to afterschool clubs twice a week due to work commitments. He tends to pay this half way through the term which is slightly frustrating because I need to pay upfront at the start of the term but to be honest I know he'll pay eventually so I don't see the point in causing an issue for the sakes of a few weeks! He doesn't pay for maintenance/ food/ clothes etc but tbh I don't struggle and would rather just get on with it than create what could become an issue. It's a bit frustrating because he smokes a lot and goes out quite a lot but tbh I don't want the hassle!

He worked away for a bit abroad for 3-4 months at a time so doesn't have his own accommodation any more. He has lived between his parents and now his new girlfriends houses for the last 18 months. His parents aren't trusted around our son unsupervised so whilst our son goes there under his dad's supervision he wouldn't be left unsupervised or stay overnight there.

What I find quite frustrating is that he doesn't turn up to any football/ swimming/ school events for our son- even though up until a few weeks ago he was literally living 300m away from the leisure centre/ playing fields! Doesn't take our son to school, pick him up or take him to any club/matches and can't even be bothered to turn up to parents evening, despite currently not working. Doesn't help at all with arranging childcare for school holidays but rather tells me he only gets his rota weekly so doesn't know in advance- assuming I'll sort it!

I feel that it's his loss because he's missing out on seeing our son grow and do the things he loves but equally it's me that gets the frustration of our son when he's not turned up to something yet again!

Anyway my real frustration and the reason for this post is that today my son has gone to his dad's- he turned up 5 minutes before the end of his hour long football match to pick him up!- and then asked the arrangements for Christmas. For the last 3-4 years our son has seen his dad on Christmas eve day and I've picked him up in the evening and he's been with me Christmas Day. His dad is always welcome to pop round on Christmas Day if he wants and has done the last couple of years with his last girlfriend. It's always been quite pleasant and I felt good for our son to see his parents and step parents all get along together.

I assumed this would happen again this year and said to him this when he asked... he then replied yes I can have him xmas eve and I'll drop him over xmas morning/ after lunch. I swiftly said no to this! I felt quite frankly fuming that he has the audacity to think he can have our son at his new girlfriends house on Christmas morning when he doesn't both on any other morning of the year! I feel that I do everything for out son - which I'm not complaining about- but I do feel the least I deserve is to get xmas morning- the one day of the year to be able to share presents and be together and share the magic (he's 8 and already shared doubts about santa so I'm expecting this to be his last xmas believing) etc.

I can't help but feel really fuming but also AIBU for saying no to my son being at his dad's for Christmas morning when I do everything all year around and his dad just pops up when he feels like it?

OP posts:
TidyDancer · 30/11/2025 13:41

What does your DS want? I would start with this when trying to figure out what’s best rather than what you feel you both deserve.

Blondeshavemorefun · 30/11/2025 13:43

He needs to start paying maintenance

and no to staying with him/gf house Xmas eve but would offer Christmas Day night if DS wanted to

SheWantsToBeMe · 30/11/2025 13:44

So what time on Christmas Day are you suggesting he sees son then?

Screamingabdabz · 30/11/2025 13:46

Say when he starts paying his share and acting like an equal parent, you’ll negotiate Christmas Day. Until then, a big fat no, with a fuck off cherry on top.

25percentoffeverything · 30/11/2025 13:46

Does your son not want to see his dad on Christmas morning for a change? It would be a nice way to get closer together, which is clearly missing. He should have the same relationship with his dad, so hopefully it's the start of a more involved dad? (about time!)

tinyspiny · 30/11/2025 13:50

I was all prepared to say YABU but having read the post YANBU , if he wants to see him Christmas Day then he can come to you , in all honesty I’d be a bit concerned that he will just refuse to give him back on Christmas Eve .

Babygirlmamahere · 30/11/2025 13:51

Assuming your son doesn't desperately want to go to his dad's for Christmas morning, then absolutely not. You put in the hard graft all year with your son and sort everything for him so no he does not get to swoop in on Christmas and act like father of the fucking year.

oviraptor21 · 30/11/2025 13:52

Maybe the Dad could show a bit more interest in his son first, by maybe attending a whole football match for once. Then when he's earned his stripes OP might feel a bit more willing to negotiate Christmas Day with him.

thepariscrimefiles · 30/11/2025 13:54

So he choose to see his son once a fortnight, pays no maintenance, doesn't bother with parents' evenings, doesn't help with childcare during the school holidays but is expecting to have him on Christmas Eve night and Christmas Day, including Christmas lunch? Absolutely not! He has actively chosen not be be an equal parent to your son so cann't expect to be treated as one when it comes to special occasions.

susiedaisy1912 · 30/11/2025 13:56

thepariscrimefiles · 30/11/2025 13:54

So he choose to see his son once a fortnight, pays no maintenance, doesn't bother with parents' evenings, doesn't help with childcare during the school holidays but is expecting to have him on Christmas Eve night and Christmas Day, including Christmas lunch? Absolutely not! He has actively chosen not be be an equal parent to your son so cann't expect to be treated as one when it comes to special occasions.

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Bearbookagainandagain · 30/11/2025 13:57

SheWantsToBeMe · 30/11/2025 13:44

So what time on Christmas Day are you suggesting he sees son then?

Edited

Does it really matter given that he can't really bother for the rest of the year?

AnneElliott · 30/11/2025 13:59

Agree with the majority - not fair he swans in and claims the best bits! Like most blokes he doesn’t do the shit jobs but wants the best bits! I’d be saying no.

BlueMum16 · 30/11/2025 14:00

Does your son stay there any other night?

If it's a regular girlfriend has DS met her yet?

If the Tel is established and DS has stayed before and wants to stay this time YABU.

If DS has never stayed this shouldn't be the first time.

Ex needs to step up and be part of you DS life properly and pay maintenance too.

Daleksatemyshed · 30/11/2025 14:04

He only wants him this year because he'll be at his GFs house, no doubt she can do the parenting and he can look like a better Dad for her. Ask your DC what he wants but you don't owe your Ex any favours

rockstuckhardplace · 30/11/2025 14:06

I voted YABU because the answer should be driven by your son. Your son deserves a chance at a good relationship with his father. If your son wants to spend Christmas morning with him, then that's what should happen. It's not about which parent has earned him, even though you are clearly a superstar and he is useless.

Longer term, you need to get him to pay maintenance and formalise access arrangements, which should include how Christmas and birthdays should work. He's working abroad presumably because it pays well and he should be contributing towards his son's cost of living. I'm amazed you're so chill that he contributes so little and give the impression that paying half, late, for a few things is somehow OK.

TFImBackIn · 30/11/2025 14:06

No way on this earth. He hardly sees your son and now wants to have him on the nicest morning of the entire year. He doesn't even have a home and doesn't pay anything in terms of child maintenance. No way. All this is to show his girlfriend that he's a great dad.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 30/11/2025 14:06

I think he needs to massively step up generally, regardless of Christmas set up.

To have his son regularly and pay maintenance. Not because he’s some sort of time share, but because it’s the right thing to do.

I also think, as things stand, you should have your son Christmas morning. Your home is his home. It represents safety and stability. Exh needs to work up to making his house a home for your son too before thinking about Xmas.

Livpool · 30/11/2025 14:07

He doesn’t pay maintenance?! Jesus, raise your standards

Roselily123 · 30/11/2025 14:08

TidyDancer · 30/11/2025 13:41

What does your DS want? I would start with this when trying to figure out what’s best rather than what you feel you both deserve.

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we used to take turns.
Thing is its about the child.

sprigatito · 30/11/2025 14:09

He’s a deadbeat dad who sees his kid once a fortnight…hell no he doesn’t get to take him for Christmas morning. It’s not about either parent’s “rights” it’s about what’s best for that little boy - waking up in his own home, with his mum who is bringing him up, and opening his presents with her. He’s a child, not a prop to make an inadequate bloke feel better about himself.

ilovepixie · 30/11/2025 14:11

You say he’s not working, then you say he only gets his rota weekly?

Linenpickle · 30/11/2025 14:17

Sorry but why isn’t he paying maintenance? This could offset university fees or help start a property fund if you don’t need it.

he’s not involved enough to deserve Christmas Day so collect him Xmas Eve.

Meteorite87 · 30/11/2025 14:18

tinyspiny · 30/11/2025 13:50

I was all prepared to say YABU but having read the post YANBU , if he wants to see him Christmas Day then he can come to you , in all honesty I’d be a bit concerned that he will just refuse to give him back on Christmas Eve .

Your point about not bringing him back on time stood out. Even in the wording to OP, he said "Christmas morning/after lunch".
Unless lunch is started at 11am, their son would not be back in the "morning" on 25th Dec.

OP what honestly stood out to me is that your ex does very little with his son and provides almost no practical or financial support to you.

HatAndScarf33 · 30/11/2025 14:18

Sounds like he’s cherry picking when suits him to see and be involved with your son. Given the huge imbalance between you and how flexible and accommodating you are despite this, I think YANBU. If he wants to see him Christmas Day, he can come to you as per other years.

Funnywonder · 30/11/2025 14:19

Does your son know about this request? If so, does he want to be with his dad on Christmas morning? I think what your child wants comes first here, although I completely understand your reluctance. He sounds like a pretty crap dad. Never mind the maintenance situation (which you could sort if you wanted to) he doesn’t seem to want to spend much time with his child. This, sadly, could be the very thing that sways your son to want to see him on Christmas morning.